Twilight

[Harley]

I can't wait to see New Moon. It's like, what, 3/4 Jacob? Ooh and after he cuts his hair...no matter how cheesy it may be, I just know I'm gonna love it. I can't wait to see if they keep Edward as having a Ducati in Eclipse too.

 

[The Ferg]

I'm wondering what they're gonna do about Jacob. Either they'll just have to ignore the growth spurt aspect, or find a new actor.

 

[BuffyElevated]

Ok, so.... I just watched the movie last week and I am now a Twilight addict. I am waiting on a friend to lend me her books so I can read them, 'cause the movie was AWESOME and I've heard the books are so much better.
Can't wait to read them!! 😀

 

[PurplePoof]

I haven't seen the movie, but the books are awful. At least, what I read of them. Stephanie Meyers has the writing style of a talented 5th-grader.

 

[Blair Waldorf-Bass]

I haven't seen the movie, but the books are awful. At least, what I read of them. Stephanie Meyers has the writing style of a talented 5th-grader.

Finally, someone agrees with me! All the words used are like a thesaurus that's thrown up.

 

[PurplePoof]

Yeah, she's got a long way to go. And she comes across as so unintelligent in interviews. I find it very hard to take her seriously. She doesn't write or act like a writer...just like a bored chick who decided to write a book one day and a bunch of tweenies gobbled it up like Thanksgiving leftovers.

 

[Blair Waldorf-Bass]

Yeah, she's got a long way to go. And she comes across as so unintelligent in interviews. I find it very hard to take her seriously. She doesn't write or act like a writer...just like a bored chick who decided to write a book one day and a bunch of tweenies gobbled it up like Thanksgiving leftovers.

Exactly! Everything she says contradicts. Apparently she said before that the girl couldn't get pregnant before the fourth book came out, and in the fourth book, the girl's pregnant. And then she's denying saying that and pulls the interview from the website it was on and has a weirdo explanation on her website. Creepy is what it is. And honestly? A 108-year-old virgin? *dies from laughter* That and the sparkleage.... T_T I shudder to think of what young people read nowadays and what people are calling "literature."

 

[SpikedBuffy]

So you're having a hard time accepting the fact that a 17 year old boy in the early 1900's died before he had sex? In those times there was not as much free loving as what goes on now, where you sleep with someone after a few dates (or after one day with lots of liquid courage). I don't understand those who don't understand this concept. And if you really read into Edward's character, he's very introverted and doesn't really socialize a lot nor routinely have women companions. He doesn't want to act like a monster.

And on the topic of the writing style. I agree that it's not perfect and she has a certain style that I can understand people don't like. But when I read, I am reading for enjoyment. For entertainment. To love a story. Not to have some great epiphany about "This is quality writing and everything else sucks". If I wanted to read deep intellectual books, I would be reading tons of non-fiction. You might not have noticed, but that's all that fills the shelves these days: books with little substance and great writing. Just books that are entertaining.

Oh, yeah, and it is a young adult novel. You know, written for kids. So when you say her writing style is that of a 5th grader, you're right.

 

[PurplePoof]

Oh, yeah, and it is a young adult novel. You know, written for kids. So when you say her writing style is that of a 5th grader, you're right.

So why are you all reading it? Not a criticism, just a genuine question...

 

[SpikedBuffy]

I guess that I read them because I like the story. I like the unforbidden romance, the romance that's not supposed to happen but just does (hello, spuffy shipper here!) 🙂 Obviously, I like vampires. And call me old fashioned, or anti-feminism or whatever you want, but I love reading about a man taking care of a woman; protecting her and treating her the way she should be treated- as treasured or special. That's what hooked me right away. The way Edward wants to protect her.

I mean, come on, who wouldn't want someone growling at someone else when they threaten your existence? 🙂

 

[The Ferg]

To answeryour question: I really don't know why I read them. I'm not a fan of romance, and it's not really considered a "guy" book at all, but I just thought, Well, I like Buffy. Buffy has vampires, so does Twilight, well, maybe I'll try it out. I ended up really liking it.

Now can I ask you guys a question: Why do you not like it? Is it seriously because you don't like her writing, or is it because you don't like the story, or is it because you're jumping on a minority bandwagon? It's a legitimate question.

Exactly! Everything she says contradicts. Apparently she said before that the girl couldn't get pregnant before the fourth book came out, and in the fourth book, the girl's pregnant. And then she's denying saying that and pulls the interview from the website it was on and has a weirdo explanation on her website. Creepy is what it is. And honestly? A 108-year-old virgin? *dies from laughter* That and the sparkleage.... T_T I shudder to think of what young people read nowadays and what people are calling "literature."

Ok, wait... So you're saying that because a 108 year old vampire virgin that sparkles in the daylight is in this book,it shouldn't be called, "literature"? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
1. Have you never seen any of those guys that refuse to have sex with someone until they've found the perfect person? Cause I have.
2. Yea, the sparkling seemed weird to me at first when a friend told me before I read it, but when I read about it, it really wasn't all that weird. It's different, but not stupid.

Meyer took the vampire (and werewolf btw) myth and turned it on it's head. And really, it works.

And about the "age-group" argument (for lack of a better term), it was made for young-adults. Teens. Do you really expect it to have the writing style of Orsen Wells? (or some other good writer. 🙂 )

 

[The Ferg]

it's the way she domesticates vampire and turns them into fluffy bunnies.

IT's just a different form of vampire. That's like saying: "Man all the Buffy vampires suck. I mean, they're faces change, and there's some with souls! That's so stupid."

That, and how poorly written the book is

I know it would be hard, but do you think it's possible that you could give me an example?

and how anti-feminist they are.

And how exactly is it feminist? Because she has a boyfriend that is the man of that relationship?

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

Anti-feminist message: Bella is a awful role model for girls. She has no indentity outside of how Edward defines her. She is willing to abandon her family and her friends to be with Edward. She doesn't care about anything but her own happiness. Don't have time to elaborate on this but think about it.

Bad writing: Try all her run-on sentances. Her contridictions. Her repeating herself. The biggest word she uses is possibly "Volturi". Which isn't even a real word. She made it up 🙂

It's really important to understand the message that these books are projecting. If you can read these books, enjoy them and also see their flaws, then you're fine. That's all I'm asking 🙂

 

[PurplePoof]

The Ferg, I'll admit that I have not read the first book in its entirety...but I picked it up out of curiosity in my friend's house because her grandma was reading it, and she said since I was a Buffy fan I may enjoy it. I still picked it up, even after explaining that vampires had absolutely nothing to do with why I liked BTVS. I thought the few pages I read were horrendous. Her writing is AWFUL. I'm the type of person who can't get emotionally invested in a novel or care what's going to happen if the writing isn't good, so I can't handle that crap. Mostly I was in shock that ANYONE actually liked the books! I don't think it's much of a minority bandwagon either...you don't meet many non-teens who enjoy the book, and even teens with evolved taste can see how bad they are. I'm not trying to bash anyone here who DOES read them, to each their own...

 

[The Ferg]

Anti-feminist message: Bella is a awful role model for girls. She has no indentity outside of how Edward defines her. She is willing to abandon her family and her friends to be with Edward. She doesn't care about anything but her own happiness. Don't have time to elaborate on this but think about it.

Ok, I got to agree with you there to tel you the truth. I love the books, but sometimes her choices really piss me off. However, it's kinda like a "meant to be" think, and she's always worrying about what her friends and family are going to think before she does something irrational. Besides, she's a 17 year old girl, whatta you expect? She's not Buffy.

Bad writing: Try all her run-on sentances. Her contridictions. Her repeating herself. The biggest word she uses is possibly "Volturi". Which isn't even a real word. She made it up 🙂

1. I'm feeling really stupid, but could you refresh my brain as to what a run-on sentence is? (Sorry, I'll slap myself in a little bit and remember it)
2. Does a book have to have big words to be good writing. and *cough*irrevocably*cough*

It's really important to understand the message that these books are projecting. If you can read these books, enjoy them and also see their flaws, then you're fine. That's all I'm asking 🙂

Well, I guess I see what you're saying. And actually, to be truthful, I can't stand the way she blindly follows Edward, and the way she can't function without him, but it's kind of like Buffy and Angel's relationship in a way. They were just meant to be. No matter what, they will always love eachother.

The Ferg, I'll admit that I have not read the first book in its entirety...but I picked it up out of curiosity in my friend's house because her grandma was reading it, and she said since I was a Buffy fan I may enjoy it. I still picked it up, even after explaining that vampires had absolutely nothing to do with why I liked BTVS. I thought the few pages I read were horrendous. Her writing is AWFUL. I'm the type of person who can't get emotionally invested in a novel or care what's going to happen if the writing isn't good, so I can't handle that crap. Mostly I was in shock that ANYONE actually liked the books! I don't think it's much of a minority bandwagon either...you don't meet many non-teens who enjoy the book, and even teens with evolved taste can see how bad they are. I'm not trying to bash anyone here who DOES read them, to each their own...

Sorry, but you can't judge until you read the whole thing. Sorrys, it's a rule of life (at least for me)
I'm a teen and I actually do like it. Seriously, I have no idea why. I'm actually one of those guys with "evolved tastes" (as you would say). I usually don't go with the stuff everyone reads/listens to/watches. Not because I refuse to, but it's just not good stuff. I know, I said this before, but there's just something about it. I don't know what, that drags me in. Something that makes me read 100-200 pages a night.


Oh, and I still don't get why you say she has bad writing. Not many professional reviewers have said anything bad about her writing, and if run-on sentences are what I think they are, J.K. Rowling does the same thing. (Don't hold me to that)

 

[Blair Waldorf-Bass]

Her writing is blechk. Without all of that cheesy romance and "I love you" "I love you more" "Nooo, I love yooouuuu more!" going on back and forth that goes on for 380 pages until - tada! A plot appear on page 381! Now, there is absolutely no build-up to them being in love with each other. I find it hard to believe that they fell in love with such a short period of time. The Mary Sue-ness in this book was enough to make me sick, and to answer your question, Ferg, how is she anti-feminist? She lets Edward control almost every aspect of her life, which some people call "protective." She faints at the sight of blood, trips over everything, and is extremely clumsy. That and she faints at the randomest things. What is really irritating and surprising to me is how I was sitting in Peet's Coffee & Tea the other day and all of these girls were saying, "Oooh, I loove Twilight!" and then proceeded to say things such as "I always faint at the sight of blood and the smell" and "I trip over everything, I'm so clumsy!" and "I'm going to get married when I'm 17!". Honestly? It's frightening that so many people like these books.

 

[The Ferg]

Her writing is blechk. Without all of that cheesy romance and "I love you" "I love you more" "Nooo, I love yooouuuu more!" going on back and forth that goes on for 380 pages until - tada! A plot appear on page 381!

Did you ever watch Buffy season 2-3? Did that bother you? And apparently you haven't read the book.

Now, there is absolutely no build-up to them being in love with each other. I find it hard to believe that they fell in love with such a short period of time.

No build up? The whole first 5/6 (just guesstimation) of the first book is about them falling in love...

and to answer your question, Ferg, how is she anti-feminist? She lets Edward control almost every aspect of her life, which some people call "protective." She faints at the sight of blood, trips over everything, and is extremely clumsy. That and she faints at the randomest things. What is really irritating and surprising to me is how I was sitting in Peet's Coffee & Tea the other day and all of these girls were saying, "Oooh, I loove Twilight!" and then proceeded to say things such as "I always faint at the sight of blood and the smell" and "I trip over everything, I'm so clumsy!" and "I'm going to get married when I'm 17!". Honestly? It's frightening that so many people like these books.

Yep, fangirls suck. I'd be surprised if one of them didn't say "Edward's so hot!" Or, "Jacob sucks! Vampires are so much cooler than werewolves!"

Bella acts like any other average teenage girl that has fallen in love. Why exactly is it in anti-feminist to be clumsy or faint at the sight (smell actually) of blood? And actually, if you had read the book you'd have understood the whole marriage thing. Do you realize how much thought Bella put into it? She only got married because Edward said he'd make her a vampire if they did. And in Edward's defense, he's from the 1800's. Marriage back then wasn't a huge deal like it is now. Don't judge this book off how girls talk. It's not my fault fangirls are stupid. :whistle:

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

Well Ferg, I'm glad you're not one of those blind Twilight following people whom think the books can do no wrong...

🙂

 

[Blair Waldorf-Bass]

Did you ever watch Buffy season 2-3? Did that bother you? And apparently you haven't read the book.


No build up? The whole first 5/6 (just guesstimation) of the first book is about them falling in love...


Yep, fangirls suck. I'd be surprised if one of them didn't say "Edward's so hot!" Or, "Jacob sucks! Vampires are so much cooler than werewolves!"

Bella acts like any other average teenage girl that has fallen in love. Why exactly is it in anti-feminist to be clumsy or faint at the sight (smell actually) of blood? And actually, if you had read the book you'd have understood the whole marriage thing. Do you realize how much thought Bella put into it? She only got married because Edward said he'd make her a vampire if they did. And in Edward's defense, he's from the 1800's. Marriage back then wasn't a huge deal like it is now. Don't judge this book off how girls talk. It's not my fault fangirls are stupid. :whistle:

I've read the books, Ferg. They made me incredibly sick with disgust. And yes, I did watch season two and three of Buffy, and when you're young, maybe yes, the fairytale appeal is there, but as I grew older I stopped being a Bangel shipper because of the sickening tone to it. They put their relationship above all else, and this is exactly what Bella and Edward are doing. Yes, but you know what? She says that she's in love with him way before she even knows all that much about him. And that's exactly the problem. She spends 380 pages on their "love". And why do they like each other? Bella because he's hot and fabulous, and Edward because of her smell and because he can't read her mind. Seriously?
It's anti-feminist for her to let him control every aspect of her life. And all of the fainting and screeching doesn't help to the "feminist" aspect. Girls nowadays needs to have strong girl role models, and Bella's a huge step backwards. I'll give the movie points for making her a tad bit more feminist then in the books, but it's not by much. Once again, yes, I did read all four books. Oh, so because her boyfriend said so? What kind of guy is that? I'm not trying to get mad at you here or anything, it's just that the absurdity of these really alarms and disgusts me. And sorry, Edward, but we're living in the 21st century, not the 1800's. I dont know about the majority of people nowadays, but where I come from, people most definitely do not get married at age 17 two weeks out of high school.
High five about the fangirls! They irritate me to death. See Kean's post for how scary they are... *laughs*

 

[SpikedBuffy]

Actually, Bella didn't want to get married. She was very anti-marriage throughout the books. She felt that you had to be much older and wiser to be married. The reason that she agreed to marry Edward, for the most basic reason is that she thought it was the right thing to do. She wanted Edward to be happy. She wanted Alice to be happy. She wanted her Dad to be able to walk her down the aisle. All of those reasons that are told to Edward in the meadow at the end of Eclipse. So her 'selfishness' isn't really that evident, is it? In fact, she's extremely unselfish. She spends a lot of time worrying about her Dad, her Mom and the Cullen family.

Of course, she did agree for one other reason too, which is what I think bothers people. That Edward would not have any type of sexual relationship with her without being married. Oh gosh, what a bad example to set for teenagers. You shouldn't jump immediately into a sexual relationship.