Unofficial Buffy-Boards Buffy the Vampire Slayer Rewatch

Hey, guys, I saw that you are pretty much at the end of season one right now, but I wanna join in anyway. I just watched The Puppet Show, because it's my favorite season 1 episode.
Yeah, here are some of my thoughts:
I just love the old-school episodes. Season one is just special. Also love Willow's long hair.
Xander references two of my favorite movies in the episode: The Shining (Redrum! Redrum!) and The Usual Suspects ("Keyser Söze'd").
And I noticed one line Giles said:
"I'd like to think you're right. A demon is a creature of evil,
pure and very simple. A person driven to kill is, is, um, it's more
complex."

This kind of changed throughout the course of the show. Sure, for the sake of the plot, so I'm not complaining, but the more the show progresses, the more complex the demons become. Suddenly, there are even nice demons like Clem.


Oh, and could you please tell me what episodes are next? I'm guessing Prophecy Girl is next.

Yeah, we're quite near the end, but feel free to jump in. If you're behind, there might not be that much here to say about the older episodes, but don't feel like that means you can't participate (I'd recommend you try to catch up, however).

I just can't agree with you about Puppet Show being one of the better Season 1 episodes -- not the worst, but not one of the better ones. I also don't like Season 1, pretty much at all -- there are a few redeeming qualities, but it's at the bottom of my list of best seasons.

I noticed those references, even though I haven't seen either of those movies (I really don't have an excuse when it comes to it, though -- I mean, I even have Usual Suspects sitting in my Netflix queue).

Yeah, the more the show went on, the more demons became something more akin to other human-like species instead of creatures of evil -- I'd say Lorne is an even better example than Clem of demons that are good.

As for what's up next, we watch episodes on Tuesdays and Saturdays -- Prophecy Girl is next up for tomorrow, and When She Was Bad is Saturday.

I've actually watched a bit ahead, since I have a lot to say about Prophecy Girl and wanted to be well prepared -- I'm not a big fan of it, so I'm looking forward to disagreement and civil argument (with emphasis on civil).
 
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Robb Stark
Haha, disagreement on the way
I robot you Jane

Like the monster make up that a cool piece for it being on screen for a short time
Kinda like the FX of the Moloch being put in the book
Skim/scan heh
Fritz is free of the matrix
Love Ms Calenders snarks
You are a thing of Evil Willow...you have no idea yet Buffy
wohoo I miss Buffy short skirts
Looks like most the computer stuff is done on first gen Macs
E letter
Watcher Pro surveillance ha
Spider since tingling
To read makes our speaking English good? I panicked ok
Poor Willow all she wants is some attention I really feel for her here
Ok kinda cool I'm writing this on my PC note pad because the last time watched and typed on the board when I went to post it my connection craped out and I lost all my work now I'm watching Dave's suicide note being written in the Apples scratch pad
Ms Calenders big reveal
The CRD lab looks better then Adams small lab
Hey Moloch's robotic head design makes a great trophy
I don't dangle a cork screw from my eay...Thats not where I dangle it
Life on the hellmouth..lets face it none of us none of us are going to have a happy normal relationship where doomed.....yes yes you are poor scoobies
 
I Robot, You Jane

In my opinion, this has to be the corniest episode of the entire season. A demon that rebuilds himself using machines? Ok, that sounds like it might work...wait, he's going after young people using the internet. Ok, that's where I draw the line 😛. Overall, it's an enjoyable episode, but defintely not one of the finer episodes of the series. It was interesting on my first watch to see Buffy's file, considering that it's some of the first 'info' we see on her that involves things that wouldn't normally come up in a conversation with someone else.

The Puppet Show

Personally, this is one of my favorite episodes from the season. It's funny, fast-paced, and has an interesting character introduced. (I love Sid, I'm glad he came back in Chaos Bleeds). Giles' torture while having to listen to audition after audition for the Talent Show is just simply priceless, and his reaction is entirely believeable. Who would want to suffer through something like that? The ending sequence was another highlight of the episode, where Willow simply runs away instead of saying her lines 😛

Nightmares

This, along with "Angel" has to be my favorite episode of the season. It was a great overall episode with some interesting things/fears to be seen. Xander being terrified of clowns is something that I can sympathize with, considering that I have the same fear. Buffy being turned into a vampire, if only for a few minutes of the episode, was interesitng to see, considering that I seem to have a fascination with characters being turned into vamps (My fanfic account shows this 😛).

Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind

This is honestly the one episode of the season that I seem to forget about, not sure why because I enjoy it. I've, thankfully, never had the "Have a nice summer" line written in my yearbook, and I honestly hope that I never do. Doesn't seem like a nice thing to have. The metaphor of the entire episode is well-done, and I like it alot more this time around than I did last time, maybe because I've dealt with it alot more in the previous year than what I had two years ago.

Sorry for these being extremely late, I had some stuff going on in my personal life
 
Yes, putting Angel back into the show was a good idea, and having a way to get the audience reacquainted with him was a good idea. Thing is, they already did that with him telling Giles that he'd be able to get the Pergamum Codex (wow, I'm a nerd -- I spelled that right first try without looking it up), so having him rescue them from the closet with the gas leak isn't entirely necessary. Then again, that entire scene feels a little unnecessary outside of the obligatory "get them out of the way", so it might be more of a problem with the execution of that part of the story, and Angel got dragged into it because they needed a resolution.

It just feels like, outside of the Season 2 storyline (which I love and is awesome), they just didn't know what to do with Angel, since his presence would overpower everyone else besides Buffy (him being the male lead and overshadowing everyone else was essential to Season 2), so he acted a bit like Deus Ex Machina when the storyline wasn't about him (I'm thinking of The Dark Age, which was rightfully retconned by Christos Gage), which is a trend that bugs me. Really, the best thing that ever happened with Angel was sending him off to his own show. (I'm suddenly hearing that famous like from Star Wars: Stay on target...)

I don't know if I'd call Angel a deus ex machina. I mean, it bothered me in certain instances that they didn't utilize him more. In the scene you're talking about in "The Dark Age", that made perfect sense. Buffy's team is very familiar with Angel by that point, and from the viewer's perspective he's he's in the opening credits. It isn't like they just threw in a whole new character out of the blue. In fact, I think at times when they didn't use him, it made the show worse. Take S3's "Helpless", for example. Buffy walks home through one of the worst neighborhoods in Sunnydale, and get's mugged. Right after leaving Angel's! She then goes to chase that psychotic vampire through his house of horrors when the least bit of common sense would have said "go get Angel". I get the message they wanted to send, but it was stupid.
 
Up next is Prophecy Girl, final episode of Season 1 (finally)...

...which I'd love to comment on, but I haven't finished what I have to say about it. It's kind of a wall of text (900 words and counting), but I have a lot to say about it, so I want to make sure that I have all of it down.

I mean, it bothered me in certain instances that they didn't utilize him more. In the scene you're talking about in "The Dark Age", that made perfect sense. Buffy's team is very familiar with Angel by that point, and from the viewer's perspective he's he's in the opening credits. It isn't like they just threw in a whole new character out of the blue. In fact, I think at times when they didn't use him, it made the show worse. Take S3's "Helpless", for example. Buffy walks home through one of the worst neighborhoods in Sunnydale, and get's mugged. Right after leaving Angel's! She then goes to chase that psychotic vampire through his house of horrors when the least bit of common sense would have said "go get Angel". I get the message they wanted to send, but it was stupid.

I don't really remember Helpless that well, so I can't really comment on that (it's an episode I always skip). I don't think that it's Angel's inclusion in The Dark Age that doesn't make sense, it's the fact that he makes the problem go away so easily. It's not at all that I think they used him too much, I just think that he was used clumsily. If you read what the retcon to that ending is, it makes a lot more sense than what's portrayed in the episode, since it's not really over that easily -- if only they'd made that clearer. But that's an argument we can have again in a few weeks, when the episode is fresher in our minds.
 
I just can't agree with you about Puppet Show being one of the better Season 1 episodes -- not the worst, but not one of the better ones. I also don't like Season 1, pretty much at all -- there are a few redeeming qualities, but it's at the bottom of my list of best seasons.
Yeah, well, tastes differ. I love The Puppet Show. It's so funny and it's Snyder's debut. His lines are excellent. I also think Season 1 is a bit underrated in general. Probably not least because it's, like, super low-budget: Bad (or let's say 'weird') lighting, not the best supporting cast and rather bad special effects and everything. But I really appreciate Season 1.


I've actually watched a bit ahead, since I have a lot to say about Prophecy Girl and wanted to be well prepared -- I'm not a big fan of it, so I'm looking forward to disagreement and civil argument (with emphasis on civil).
I'm not a big Prophecy Girl fan either. In fact, to me, it just might be the worst Season 1 episode. But it has really good parts as well, especially acting-wise, in my opinion.
 
I'll just add on to what others had said about Nightmares...

-An episode called Nightmares starts with a nightmare sequence. Wow, that's um.... storytelling wasn't one of season 1's strengths.
-I like finding out each of the character's nightmares and fears, although the only characters whose fears at least resemble shreds of complexity are Buffy and Giles.
-I did dislike the boy appearing everywhere, it cheapened elements of it, in particular the scene with Buffy and her father. I wished they left some ambiguity with it, and let Buffy be in her sadness. Her seeing the boy was an annoying emotional shortcut.
-Love The Master in this! He gets the full gothic treatment. Love it.
-Gotta love vamp buffy
-A funny and enjoyable episode.

I'll add more tomorrow; Prophecy Girl and Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight.
 
Thoughts on Prophecy Girl:

...I don't like this episode. I mean, it's one of the better ones in the season, but I still don't like it. The problem is, I have to figure out how exactly to put that into words, especially since my problem doesn't come down to details that I can easily point at -- it's a problem that goes throughout the episode.

Seasons 2, 3, and 4 have two-part finales to get rid of the Big Bad (Restless is a denouement, taking place after the finale), and this should've been one too. Is there really no episode they could've gotten rid of (Teacher's Pet or Puppet Show would be the first I'd cut) to make this a two-parter? They spend so much time spinning their wheels for the rest of the season that they have to cram way too much into this episode. If I recall, Buffy dies at the 32 minute mark, causing them to have to cram in way too much in that last 12 minutes. I'm usually the guy saying "You need better pacing" about everything when they're too slowly paced, but this has the opposite problem: everything moves too quickly to really leave an impact. Buffy's death feels like an afterthought due to how quickly it's undone because they don't have enough time for it to leave an impact before they bring her back.

Then there's what happens after they bring Buffy back -- despite the fact that this came out two years previous, I couldn't shake the feeling that I was watching the ending of The Matrix, only not done anywhere near as well. There's no good reason why Buffy would come back and be stronger or more confident that I could tell, and the fact that she managed to defeat The Master so easily was more than a little anti-climactic. (I think that, if you take it as a two-parter, with When She Was Bad being the second part, then you fix a few of those problems (I find this oddly reminiscent of Epitaph Two in Dollhouse -- if someone wants to know why, PM me or I might start a thread about it), but since they weren't presented as a two-parter and had no idea that they would have a second season, then that's really patching it up and the credit should be given to that episode, not this one (keep in mind that it's been a while since I've seen When She Was Bad, so my recollection is a little fuzzy)).

Even with all of that, intentional or not, killing Buffy was one of the best things that they did in the series. (I wrote it that way because I know how awesome it sounds out of context) The ability to have a second Slayer as a foil to Buffy was a great idea -- Kendra was a bit one-note but still necessary, and I don't have to shower my praise on Faith yet -- since otherwise, the only view of a Slayer we'd ever have was Buffy, and the idea of how different she is, which was often brought up but only mentioned, not shown (think of Spike in School Hard, pointing out that a Slayer with friends and family was weird). Sure, you could've done flashbacks, but that's nowhere near as interesting and dynamic as actually having a character like that in the show interacting with others. The stuff they did with Nikki through flashbacks and Robin's presence in the show worked well, but I don't think it would've worked for more than just the one Slayer. So, despite the execution issues, killing Buffy and bringing her back was kind of brilliant.

Now that I've gone so far off-topic that I'm in a different zip code, I'm going to try and stay on target (I've had that scene in my head today, not sure why). There's the easy target of the scene where the theme song starts playing -- not a big fan of it, but the way that it ends kind of works -- Buffy hits the vampire, and it just ends. Now, if only they'd made the theme song more a part of the score in that scene, it would've actually worked better.

Angel also bugs me a bit here. I've heard people talk about this, and I've tried to justify it, but it bugs the hell out of me that Xander dragged him into the fight with the Master. He either should have been there in the first place trying to help Buffy, or he should've been kept out of it completely. As it is, it felt like it was just there for the awkwardness of Xander having to give Buffy CPR while Angel watched.

So far, I've only really talked about Buffy's death, since that's kind of important when it comes to the episode, but I think that's something else that's kind of problematic about this episode -- again, I feel like they squashed a two-parter into one episode, so the plot lines about Xander and Buffy's nonstarting relationship, Willow's strong reaction to people dying in the school (that feels odd, since a lot of people have died on campus and they seem to have forgotten Jesse completely), and the other small things would've been handled in the first part, leaving room for Buffy dying and the related parts to be given the proper attention in the second.

Now, there are things that I liked in the episode. See, the thing is, I have a lot more to say about things that I don't like than I do about things that I like -- plus, it's more interesting to talk about the negatives than the positives. I quite like how Buffy is dressed, the contrast between the dress and leather jacket, while she's carrying weapons, works as a summary of the entire show in one image.

I also think that the overall story in the episode is solid. There are a lot of things that are happening, and pretty much all of them are good, there's just too much story for one episode, and that's ultimately the downfall. It's still one of the better episodes in the season. It has the problem of being ambitious and not quite getting there, which I much prefer to shooting low and basically managing to hit, which is a good number of the episodes in this season. Angel is the best episode of the season because it was ambitious and came closer to hitting than this one did -- again, I think this all just comes down to pacing and forcing this storyline into one episode, not two.

I didn't finish getting all of my thoughts out, but I'm in a bit of a bind time-wise and I felt like getting this finally done with. There are a few more things to say, especially because there are some more things that I do like, I was just having trouble with them, since I think the more interesting thing to talk about is the pacing. Someone mention other parts of the episode, and I can mention if I thought that they were good or not.
 
I like prophacy girl. Lol Buffys face in that 1st fighting scene, when she pulls the stake out. The vampires looking like "oh shit" and her face is just like "yea, what you thought this was"...and she broke a nail lol.
Poor Xander...but Im glad they never got together. They had a good friendship and thats kinda rare. He'll get over it.
Awww Joyce. I love her! I like when it was just her and Buffy, before Dawn came along (rolls eyes)
So wait if Buffy would have never spoke to Willow and went to go face the master he would've never got out and all this would've never happened?
Lol Willow said "why does she get to be in the club"
(Sighs) Xander...please just...shhh
Lol Cordy bit the vampire (i love her on btvs. She kinda annoys me on Angel)
When I first seen this the "I may be dead, but Im still pretty" line was my favorite part
The end is cute, even if its a little Corney (lol Giles is not dancing)
PS Season 1 Angel <3 <3 <3
 
Thoughts on "Prophecy Girl":

I liked this episode. After "Angel", it's probably my favorite episode of the season. There are however, some pretty big holes in it that I hadn't really thought of prior to this re-watch.

I have to get this out of the way, because it drove me crazy watching the episode. Buffy, Angel and Giles all hear this prophecy that Buffy is going to die facing The Master, and not one of them stops to think that maybe Buffy just...shouldn't follow the little kid? I mean hell, she follows the Anointed One to The Master's underground lair. Why go in? Why not dust the kid and leave? There was zero evidence whatsoever that anything would happen if she did nothing. This happens sometimes with Buffy, and it drives me insane every time. Buffy encounters some seemingly insurmountable problem, and instead of thinking about it she just blindly rushes in and hurts herself or someone else, or escapes by the skin of her teeth. Sometimes she thinks things out brilliantly, but other times the writers seem to just ignore logic to get a certain theme across, and instead of seeming brave and heroic, it just seems idiotic. There's zero, ZERO, tactical thought at times. Entering that cave like that was one of those times (I mean for Christ's sake, she brought a crossbow to a one-on-one fight. A crossbow, the single hardest weapon in human history to reload. Why not a longbow? Why not a sword?). Give me tactical command of the Scoobies and things would be different...

Anyways, with that tangent out of the way, I thought most of the episode was strong. The metaphor of the "Nice Guy Syndrome" with Xander was really well done I thought. SO many guys do that. Make friends with a girl solely to get with her, and then get pissed off when she just wants to be friends, and get angry because the guy thinks he'd be the perfect boyfriend. It's a dick move that a lot of guys do without even knowing they're doing it. Xander fits that perfectly. Thankfully, he grows up and matures out of it (eventually).

I thought this was Giles' coolest episode of the season. ASH acts the scenes following his discovery of the prophecy brilliantly. And his insistence that he's going to be the one to fight The Master was very touching. I liked him in the final fight as well.

The Master is a very good, and very underutilized, villain. In fact I'm glad they went into further depth with him a few years down the road in Angel. He's cool, and Mark Metcalf does a great job at making the character unique and not just your stereotypical evil monster. I wish he'd had more space to shine throughout the season, or been the big bad of a full length season.

On to Angel. I think [MENTION=12230]Mischlings[/MENTION] had a very good point about too much story being crammed into one episode, and how that ultimately constricted what they did put in. Angel had to be there, but he should have had a far bigger role. His scenes with Xander were excellent, but I would have liked to see him in the final fight more.

As an aside, I thought Cordy was great here too, even though like Angel, her role was limited. She develops slowly, but it's always recognizable when she does.

I liked S1, and I enjoyed watching it again. It certainly has its flaws, but it has strong points that many of the post-S3 years lack. The main plot with The Master is fairly simple, but it works. Xander's seasonal arc with his interest in Buffy couldn't have been executed any better, in my view. S1/S2 is probably the best of Willow, where her character charms the audience and adds to the story every episode without overstepping, as she does badly later on. The Giles/Buffy relationship is developed very well, and you can see the evolution from disgruntled student/annoyed teacher to daughter/father. And I thought, while he wasn't a huge or overbearing part of the season, Angel had a great role on the show as a recurring character. He maintains the mystery that makes him cool right off the bat, and I found myself wanting to know more about him right away, which I think was the goal. I liked that his relationship with Buffy moved slowly, but steadily, and left a lot open to the future.
 
I have to get this out of the way, because it drove me crazy watching the episode. Buffy, Angel and Giles all hear this prophecy that Buffy is going to die facing The Master, and not one of them stops to think that maybe Buffy just...shouldn't follow the little kid? I mean hell, she follows the Anointed One to The Master's underground lair. Why go in? Why not dust the kid and leave? There was zero evidence whatsoever that anything would happen if she did nothing.
I think it's because they believed that The Master was going to rise on that night regardless, so they thought the only way to stop it was for Buffy to go underground and kill him before it did. They misunderstood the prophecy. Then The Master says, "Prophecies are tricky creatures. They didn't tell you everything. You're the one that sets me free." It does kind of annoy me too how Buffy just goes to fight The Master without thinking of another plan, even though the prophecy says she will die. But I do understand that she went to keep him from rising, since she had no idea that her blood is what actually sets him free.
 
[MENTION=12297]SlayerPrincess[/MENTION]

Awww Joyce. I love her! I like when it was just her and Buffy, before Dawn came along (rolls eyes)

I know this is a ways off, but I like Dawn, so... we'll get into that in... months.

[MENTION=11975]Always Bangel[/MENTION]

I liked this episode. After "Angel", it's probably my favorite episode of the season. There are however, some pretty big holes in it that I hadn't really thought of prior to this re-watch.

I'd probably put it third behind Angel and Nightmares, which says a lot to how much I like the season in general if I don't really like this episode. I'd probably put Welcome to the Hellmouth and The Harvest right behind it, but those could actually pass this episode up depending on... I don't know, mood or something. But yeah.

I have to get this out of the way, because it drove me crazy watching the episode. Buffy, Angel and Giles all hear this prophecy that Buffy is going to die facing The Master, and not one of them stops to think that maybe Buffy just...shouldn't follow the little kid? I mean hell, she follows the Anointed One to The Master's underground lair. Why go in? Why not dust the kid and leave? There was zero evidence whatsoever that anything would happen if she did nothing. This happens sometimes with Buffy, and it drives me insane every time. Buffy encounters some seemingly insurmountable problem, and instead of thinking about it she just blindly rushes in and hurts herself or someone else, or escapes by the skin of her teeth. Sometimes she thinks things out brilliantly, but other times the writers seem to just ignore logic to get a certain theme across, and instead of seeming brave and heroic, it just seems idiotic. There's zero, ZERO, tactical thought at times. Entering that cave like that was one of those times (I mean for Christ's sake, she brought a crossbow to a one-on-one fight. A crossbow, the single hardest weapon in human history to reload. Why not a longbow? Why not a sword?). Give me tactical command of the Scoobies and things would be different...

If they knew that her blood would set him free, then yeah, but it seemed like they didn't know that, making it death by irony. Though they should've been at least somewhat smarter. And Buffy seems to not be smart enough for pragmatism in fights -- she just thinks crossbows are cool.

Anyways, with that tangent out of the way, I thought most of the episode was strong. The metaphor of the "Nice Guy Syndrome" with Xander was really well done I thought. SO many guys do that. Make friends with a girl solely to get with her, and then get pissed off when she just wants to be friends, and get angry because the guy thinks he'd be the perfect boyfriend. It's a dick move that a lot of guys do without even knowing they're doing it. Xander fits that perfectly. Thankfully, he grows up and matures out of it (eventually).

That's... actually the clearest outline of the whole "Nice Guy" thing I've ever heard. No one ever explained it clearly enough to me for me to figure out why everyone hates it so much.

The Master is a very good, and very underutilized, villain. In fact I'm glad they went into further depth with him a few years down the road in Angel. He's cool, and Mark Metcalf does a great job at making the character unique and not just your stereotypical evil monster. I wish he'd had more space to shine throughout the season, or been the big bad of a full length season.

Yeah, he's a little down the list of my favorite Big Bads, which has a lot to do with the way he's used rather than the character himself. Also, keep an eye out for when Mark Metcalf comes back later on Buffy -- I didn't realize it was him at first, but it's hilariously awesome.

On to Angel. I think [MENTION=12230]Mischlings[/MENTION] had a very good point about too much story being crammed into one episode, and how that ultimately constricted what they did put in. Angel had to be there, but he should have had a far bigger role. His scenes with Xander were excellent, but I would have liked to see him in the final fight more.

As an aside, I thought Cordy was great here too, even though like Angel, her role was limited. She develops slowly, but it's always recognizable when she does.

It's not just the two of them -- I just feel like pretty much nothing in this episode had enough time to develop. It kind of reminds me of the trip to Iraq in Season 3 of Arrested Development or the Head of Rossum storyline from Dollhouse (those are the first that came to mind, I'm sure there are more) -- there could've been so much more there, but they had to compress it to get an ending. (I think Dollhouse handled it the best of those I mentioned, but that's another topic entirely.)

I liked S1, and I enjoyed watching it again. It certainly has its flaws, but it has strong points that many of the post-S3 years lack. The main plot with The Master is fairly simple, but it works. Xander's seasonal arc with his interest in Buffy couldn't have been executed any better, in my view. S1/S2 is probably the best of Willow, where her character charms the audience and adds to the story every episode without overstepping, as she does badly later on. The Giles/Buffy relationship is developed very well, and you can see the evolution from disgruntled student/annoyed teacher to daughter/father. And I thought, while he wasn't a huge or overbearing part of the season, Angel had a great role on the show as a recurring character. He maintains the mystery that makes him cool right off the bat, and I found myself wanting to know more about him right away, which I think was the goal. I liked that his relationship with Buffy moved slowly, but steadily, and left a lot open to the future.

I still think Season 1 is the worst -- we'll see if that's still the case once this thing finishes in... one eternity. I'm REALLY looking forward to rewatching Season 2, if only for episodes 1, 3, 6, 7, 9, 10, 13, 14, 17, 19, 21, and 22 (proof that almost half that season is crap). I'll agree that it's simpler than things tend to be after Season 3 -- the problem is, 2 and 3 took simple ideas and added nuance and complexity to make them truly memorable, while Season 1 lacked that almost completely. As for Buffy and Giles (I can't type it with a slash, as the mental images... just no), I don't think that you really see that relationship fully in place until relatively late in Season 2 (Passion, to be specific) -- this is a turning point in it, but it feels a little rushed, really getting the time to develop and feel natural.

As for Angel, I'm completely neutral on him through this point in the series -- he hasn't given me a reason to like him or to hate him yet. That'll change over time, however.

[MENTION=2271]SMG14Fan[/MENTION]

I think it's because they believed that The Master was going to rise on that night regardless, so they thought the only way to stop it was for Buffy to go underground and kill him before it did. They misunderstood the prophecy. Then The Master says, "Prophecies are tricky creatures. They didn't tell you everything. You're the one that sets me free." It does kind of annoy me too how Buffy just goes to fight The Master without thinking of another plan, even though the prophecy says she will die. But I do understand that she went to keep him from rising, since she had no idea that her blood is what actually sets him free.

That's pretty much what I think was going through their heads, so Buffy suffered from death by irony, which The Master says, except with different words.
 
Thoughts on “When she was bad”

This has never been one of my favorite episodes, but upon rewatching it, I think I was a little harsh heading in. It isn’t as bad as I had made it out to be, and there are some great moments to it. However, it’s not one of the gems of S2.

One of the big problems with this episode is that I found I had very little sympathy for Buffy, or at least, I didn’t think anything that she was going through justified the way she treated Xander, Willow and Angel. To put it bluntly, she was a pretty huge bitca (that scene was hilarious). The scene in The Bronze in particular, was really bad (not a bad scene I mean, just, she was bad). I mean, talk about finding the quickest and most effective way to just completely wrench the group dynamic. In about five minutes she managed to piss every single one of her friends off. And not just piss them off, but hurt them. That wasn’t “working stuff out”. It was mean. In “Prophecy Girl” I talked about the “Nice Guy syndrome” with Xander. Well, the way Buffy was acting is pretty much the girl equivalent for me of that.

Plus, it just didn’t really…mesh for me. I mean, watching this fairly soon after “Prophecy Girl”, I thought it was made fairly clear that Buffy came back stronger after she died. I suppose something like that takes time to sink in and all, but I kind of felt like the theme of this episode could have worked better as a two-part story with “Prophecy Girl”.

And of course, this is another episode where all tactical ability and thought is completely abandoned by Buffy. At least they incorporated into the theme of the episode. I liked Xander finally putting her in her place after she was so careless.

But it certainly wasn’t all bad. Snyder, as he always does, stole it. I think he must be the most fun character ever to write.

“like locusts. Crawling around, mindlessly bent on feeding and mating. Destroying everything in sight in their relentless, pointless desire to exist."

"There's some things I can just smell. It's like a sixth sense."
"Well, actually, that would be one of the five."

I thought the romantic elements, despite Buffy, were showed subtly, but effectively. The Xander/Willow scene at the start was really nice, but sad in The Bronze later on. Buffy and Angel’s scenes showed the potential they have, but that they didn’t click yet (and as an aside, I thought David Boreanaz’s acting has already improved leaps and bounds over S1). Giles/Jenny with Snyder in the background was nice too.

And I really liked the scoring. It really stood out for me, particularly the scene where Angel is leaving Buffy’s room and it crosses into the next shot of Buffy in the car. The ending music was well placed as well.
 
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I thought it was funny watching Buffy be a bitch for a while. If she would have came to Sunnydale (slaying aside) on some Queen B shit she could have gave Cordelia a run for her money as HBIC (maybe) Also I could relate to her at the end when she was finished with her little attitude problem and she was nervous about going back around her friends and it was sweet how they let her back in no questions asked. Btw how dense is Xander. He was ready to kiss Willow when nobody else was around and then totally forgot about that when Buffy shows up...well obvioulsly she dosent want you so how do you skip back over Willow and go to Cordelia? If he would have just persued Willow after the almost kiss the whole Lovers Walk situation wouldent have happened.
 
I wish I had more to say about When She Was Bad, but I think Always Bangel has pretty much stated my exact thoughts on the episode. It's not an episode that I dislike, but it's definitely a pretty weak season premiere, in my opinion. I didn't like Buffy's attitude at all. Sure, she died for a minute, but she had the whole summer to get over it. She had nothing to accomplish by acting that way. One of my favorite things about the episode is Cibo Matto playing at the Bronze. I love their song "Sugar Water". It has a haunting vibe about it.
 
Okay, thoughts I had while watching Prophecy Girl, one of my most 'hated' episodes... here we go:

It bugs me so much that Xander is so focused on Buffy that he totally ignores Willow. I'm generally not what you would call a "shipper", but if there's one relationship I support, then it's Xander/Willow. If I were Xander, I'd propose right there 😛
But I think there are some really good performances in this episode. I think Sarah's acting is really great in the scene right after she's learned that she "will face the Master and she will die" (More about that later). I also think Alyson's performance is great in the scene where Buffy is at her place after Willow found the dead guys. I think she's one of TV's best criers. Her HIMYM fame has made her kind of an underrated drama actress. I think after HIMYM's 9th season, which will apparently be its last, she should do a bit more drama.
OK, then I have lots of problems with the so-called "prophecy" from the Codex of... something. I think it's kind of stupid of Giles to just assume it will happen. It doesn't say much more than she will face the master and she will die. Well, maybe it says more, but I think it's all we learn. I mean, it can't be that simple. Buffy didn't have any dreams or anything. Apparently, everything that's written in the book has come to pass, but why does Giles just blindly follow that stupid book? I don't really get that. Of course everything in the book will happen if you just do what it says. But I guess the point of the episode is that it wasn't true. Anyway, I think it's weird.
Then I noticed that there are certain signs before the Apocalypse: Earthquakes, blood comes out of the faucet in the restroom etc. Are there any signs like these before the other Apocalypses in the show?
Then there are some things I think are kind of illogical. About five students, all of which were involved in the planning of the dance, died and nothing happens? The dance doesn't get cancelled, nothing. And there's an Apocalypse going down and Angel is sitting in his apartment? He's not trying to help Buffy?
The scene, where Jenny and Willow are outside in front of the school and the vampires are closing in, reminds me of these old zombie flicks, like Dawn of the Dead, because of the way they're walking slowly towards them and everything.
Oh, and Angel can't perform CPR because he has no breath? Luckily, they changed stuff like that in the other seasons. I mean, if his lungs don't work, how can he even speak?
One thing I love is that they're using sounds from Jurassic Park for that thing that's coming out of the Hellmouth in the library. It's making the noises of the Velociraptors, which are actually underwater audio recordings of dolphins. I guess it's just, like, a standard sound in the studio's archive or something.
Probably my biggest problem with the episode is that one scene after they revived Buffy when she says, "Oh, look, a bad guy." That's just so incredibly cheesy. Maybe it's supposed to be like this, I don't know, but I hate this particular scene.
By the way, why isn't the Master's hypnosis stuff working on the roof? Or is the "fruit-punch mouth" line distracting him so much that he releases his "hypnosis grip?"
And one more thing: Aren't there still, like, a hundred vampires outside the school in the streets? Or did they die when the master died, like the monster thing coming from out the Hellmouth?


Tomorrow, I'm gonna watch When She Was Bad. I won't have to say as much about it as I did here. But it is, like Prophecy Girl, not really my favorite episode.
 
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I literally watched Prophecy Girl last night and I pointed out the JP soundbits as well! I also think after reviving Buffy they could've given her a better line. It's not quip-appropriate IMO. She needed more of an impacting line!
Prophecy Girl

This, in my opinion, is the greatest episode of Season 1. It was a great way to wrap up a short season overall, and is a hint of the greatness that is to come. I noticed that there were some complaints about continuity errors and such, but I'm able to let them slide because let's face it. Joss didn't know if the show was going to get renewed for another season. So, he and the writers wrapped it up the best they could.

Sarah's acting really shines during the scene where she overhears Giles and Angel talking about the prophecy. The entire speech she gave was truly heartbreaking, and she played it so well, and so realistically that you can't help but be touched by it. It's really just a foreshadow of what's to come in the later seasons, with their emotional scenes.

As was pointed out above, Angel could have been used a lot more in this episode. Granted, he does talk to Giles about the prophecy, and he does help Xander find Buffy, but you're telling me he couldn't have been used anywhere else?

And so, as Season 1 draws to a close, we move on to my favorite season. Season 2 😀 😀 😀 😀
 
Following what JCoatsworth was saying about Prophecy Girl:

Pergamum is the northernmost of the seven cities of the original Christian church (mentioned in Revelations 2) in ancient Greece. A codex from there would indicate that the watchers had moved out of Africa and were in Europe at the time, but it would be old, possibly before mediaeval times. But according to Giles, Aurelius states that "the slayer will not know him and he shall lead her into hell", referring to the Anointed One, but Buffy gets the warning that it is a child and she does recognize him immediately. This could be enough to thwart the predictions, but it is not from the codex.

As for speaking without breath, the speakers on my computer work even though there is no net airflow through them. But it is a convenient way to give Xander a connection to Buffy.

This is one of the best episodes of Season 1 and of the entire series and showcases Sarah's acting chops well. It is also an essential episode rather than a filler and nothing in it is cringeworthy. It has everything you would want in a good story.
 
As for speaking without breath, the speakers on my computer work even though there is no net airflow through them. But it is a convenient way to give Xander a connection to Buffy.

For your voice to work, you need to create pressure with your lungs. You can't talk without breath, and that's a fact. Of course your speakers work without airflow, they have nothing to do with the human voice. But you're absolutely right about that last part. I completely agree and it's totally necessary for the plot, and that's actually hat it's all about.
 
When She Was Bad- I like this episode the more I watch it. There are some fantastic scenes in it- Buffy's dream sequence where Giles starts to kill her, and is actually the Master, Xander and Willow's wonderful movie referencing at the beginning and of course, when Buffy gets a hammer, and smashes the Masters bones.

Whilst Buffy was being a ''bitca'' I do have sympathy for her even though her comments to Cordelia were incredibly uncalled for, calling Xander and Willow ''civilians''. It's just, Buffy becomes much, much, much worse in season 7. The difference here is that The Master was Buffy's first ''big bad'' and he, really, really terrified her.

Also the episode showed a gradual stripping of cheese on the show- with the exception of the stupid ending with the Anointed One. And some lines just are odd - ''we haven't seen a vampire for months'', etc.

Despite some flaws, some things that need tweaking, it is far, far, far better than any season 1 episode.

Score: 93/100.
 
Ethan Reigns
Ethan Reigns
Love this episode. The dance with Xander ending with "Don't you wish I would?" and leaving him on the dance floor. Excellent.
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