Unpopular opinions/thoughts!

Here's a list I came up with:

-I did not like ANY of Buffy's straight relationships.
-Her best relationship was with Satsu.
-My least favorite seasons is the second.
-I liked Kennedy.
-I hated Drusilla
-Darla was lame until season 2 of Angel.
-I thought Buffy would have a romantic relationship with Faith in Season 3.
-I liked Frunn as well as Fresly.
-Angel and Cordelia's relationship bugged me.
-The only relationship of her's I liked was with Xander
-I like Clem
-Kate Lockley annoyed me.
-She should have been the drug-addicted under-cover cop that she was going to be in Corrupt.
-I hated Glory.
-Lorne should've been on Buffy rather than Angel.
and finally
-I think Dawn and Connor should have become a couple.
 
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I was convinced there was going to be a relationship with Faith and Buffy as well. I was most convinced during the Bronze scene in Bad Girls....... yeah, we all know how that ended. Heartbreaking.
Pfft, you know what, I still hold this belief:

Amber Benson's breathing during her death scene bugs the crap out of me and always will. I know some people were like "What is she supposed to do", "That shouldn't bother you", etc and I started thinking maybe I was being irrational.

Nope.

Watched several other scenes where people were playing dead and you did not notice them blatantly breathing like Amber did. I think she's a good actress, but she could've held her breath or the director could've shot the scene at an angle where it was less noticeable. Heck, Spartacus has some pretty bad acting but their actors manage to hold their breath in order to play a convincing corpse.
 
*I dislike Lilah and think she's one of the worst females out of the Buffyverse.

*I think Spike is a highly overrated character and underpowered for being ranked "second most infamous Vampire" . I find it embarrassing that Wesley stated that he's second only to Angel when Spike was shown getting his ass kicked a lot on BtVS and ANGEL. I think he's only ranked so high because he managed to kill two Slayers but when it comes to being seeing as dangerous and strong he doesn't rank so high and comes off as a bit of a joke to humans and demons a like (even though he's still powerful)

*I think it would have been more interesting to have Angelus kill Faith in the season 4 fight because first off it would have made the whole "you win WR&H because you stopped world peace" thing a lot better if Lilah added in Angel killing off a Slayer. And second; Faith did next to nothing in season 7 of Buffy other than stand in the background and start falling for Wood out of nowhere.

*I LOVE season 6 and dislike season 5. I think season 2 and season 6 is how every season should have been.

*I think Dawn becomes one of the most interesting characters once you understand why she acts like a brat.

*I don't find Hush to be as scary as people say it is. I think the eps is fantastic and funny, but not scary.

*I HATE Andrew and feel he got WAY to much POINTLESS screen time in season 7 when they should have focused more on Xander/Spike/Dawn interactions.

*I don't think Buffy ever loved Spike and i'm not sure he truly loved her. If he did he would have at least told her he was back in LA (that excuse he gave is BS. The writers could have came up with something much better.)

*I don't like that Darla came back to life. I dislike characters coming back once they've been killed. Different universe, magic etc. it doesn't matter. I still hate it.

*Sometimes I think Sarah's acting is a little bad, but only when she's playing dumb (not counting Buffy Bot which I thought was awesome) I think it's because Sarah is such a smart person that I don't think she can play "the stupid blonde" role well.

*I think "The Gift" is overrated and a bad series finale. I'm glad they made season 6 and 7.

*I love Xander and Dawn together and after watching their scenes in season 7 I can totally see how that would have worked.
 
Unpopular Opinions

After reading Gabrielleabelle's Unpopular Opinions I decided I'm gonna list the unpopular opinions I agree with - not all of them, 'cause they're a lot. I'd also like to hear your unpopular opinions:

Unpopular Opinions I Agree With:

1) I think Buffy didn't think about Spike much at all prior to Crush. He just usually didn't cross her mind. Hence her puzzled, "Huh?" when Dawn tells her that Spike's in love with her.

2) Harmony being annoying in no way makes Spike's behavior to her OK.

3) Riley wasn't threatened by Buffy's strength, whether that means her physical strength or her strength of character. He admired her for it. (Although admittedly he had some preconceived notions of how male-female interaction was supposed to work, which led him astray occasionally - but only temporarily. It wasn't the reason they broke up.)

4) I have no problem with Angel attacking Wes in the hospital after Holtz took Connor. Was it wrong and should he have been stopped? Most definitely. But I can completely understand why a heartbroken parent would react that way against the person who lost him his child, and I don't hold it against Angel.

5) I thought Xander's last line about Anya "That's my girl. Always doing the stupid thing" to be filled with pride and love, totally endeering and perfect. I really wish it was his last line in the show.

6) I don't think the Core Four was unfairly cliquey or exclusionary to anyone. I thought they were fair to outright generous and welcoming considering their respective circumstances to Cordelia/Oz/Anya/Angel/Riley/Spike/Dawn/Tara/Andrew/Jonathan.

The only characters that really have a leg to stand on to complain about the Core Four excluding them or not treating them with the respect that they deserve was S3 Wesley and post-Innocence Jenny. And Faith had a legitimate complaint on Giles not engaging her enough.

7) I honestly don't find any of the main-cast characters on BtVS (and to a lesser extent AtS) ever unforgivable, you know? I always understand where they are coming from, and most of their actions seem a believable mixture of selfish, selfless, insight and delusion. I always feel a bit wishy washy as a result, but when I get into a character's POV it's really easy to understand why they do what they do. Same goes for most of the recurrings.

8) Anya's trying to kill Xander -- and, more importantly, trying to get *his friends*, including multiply traumatized *Dawn*, to wish him a horrible end -- is incredibly terrible and pretty heavy evidence she hadn't actually learned the value of human life or become a moral thinker. I sympathize with her while she does it, because she's hurt and retreating to an old set of ethics in which all men are evil and punishable, but it's in no way close to okay.

9) At least into season four, Buffy still thinks of herself as somewhat cooler than Xander and Willow, and I don't think she outgrows that particular privilege for a long while (if ever). c.f. Homecoming, which only works if Buffy believes on some level that she *could* become the most popular kid in school.

She does have an inferiority complex and thinks she's worse than her friends in some ways -- but there is a sense of superiority which is not all about slaying

10) I think Joyce was a very flawed parent in many ways, but I think she was in a difficult situation and tried very hard: following a divorce, she left her whole life behind after her daughter burned down a school gym apparently for no reason. Her daughter continued to get in trouble, and over the first three years in Sunnydale, despite a thriving career she dated exactly once (and he turned out to be a killer) and made one friend (who became a zombie who needed to be put down by her daughter). The only other thing even remotely close to a human connection she had was Giles. She dealt badly with Buffy's coming out as a slayer, and took her anger at herself out on Buffy when she returned. But even as she resents the fact that her daughter's life expectancy is being cut in half, she began to be supportive of Buffy's slayer life -- going as far as to recognize, even more than Buffy did, the loneliness that her comrade in arms Faith would feel, and the connection the two could have. When Buffy left for college, she never pressured her to spend time with her. She makes a lot of very bad decisions, and I think she subconsciously holds Buffy as being partly reponsible for the total collapse of her social sphere, both before moving to Sunnydale and once *in* Sunnydale (which was really more the result of the Hellmouth than Buffy); but considering the pressure she was under I have a lot of sympathy for her.
 
After reading Gabrielleabelle's Unpopular Opinions I decided I'm gonna list the unpopular opinions I agree with - not all of them, 'cause they're a lot. I'd also like to hear your unpopular opinions:

Don't have time to post mine yet, but just wanted to say I agree with all of yours, except for #6. (9/10 is pretty good!)

Anyway, I think that the scoobies are inconsistent with their associations, preferences, and respect-giving. Of course it's best seen in the classic example of Anya vs Spike. Why one and not the other, once they are both powerless,(especially when you consider that your #8 is absolute truth). But I think what bothers me the most, from the end of season 5 onward, (and much more so of course after Spike gets his soul), is that by night, (and occasionally in daylight),the scoobies are all: "Spike! Save me from the big bad demons and vampires! We need your help, big strong chipped-vampire!" And by day, it's: "Spike is a monster. He'll never be good. He's rubbish and we don't want him around." You know?
 
Don't have time to post mine yet, but just wanted to say I agree with all of yours, except for #6. (9/10 is pretty good!)

Anyway, I think that the scoobies are inconsistent with their associations, preferences, and respect-giving. Of course it's best seen in the classic example of Anya vs Spike. Why one and not the other, once they are both powerless,(especially when you consider that your #8 is absolute truth). But I think what bothers me the most, from the end of season 5 onward, (and much more so of course after Spike gets his soul), is that by night, (and occasionally in daylight),the scoobies are all: "Spike! Save me from the big bad demons and vampires! We need your help, big strong chipped-vampire!" And by day, it's: "Spike is a monster. He'll never be good. He's rubbish and we don't want him around." You know?

I understand your point, and it is true to some characters like Xander and Giles. I don't think all the Scoobies feel this way. There's bad blood between Spike and the Scoobies and the fact that they're not getting along is caused by mutual disrespect. I've always felt that Spike didn't want to be part of the group as much as he wanted to be closer to Buffy.

I do love that Spike is considered a Scooby in S9 now and that he's part of the gang! I'm so excited about S9.
 
More Unpopular Opinions:

- I seriously don't care much about the vampire core four dynamic (Darla/Angel/Dru/Spike). And I don't care much for the flashbacks. I guess the fact that I don't really care about vampires in general is the reason why. I love Spike and Angel, but not because they're vampires. I guess I'm more interested in slayers than vampires.

- I think Xander DOES change and develop throughout the show. I also think by the end of S7, he's one of the most mature characters.
 
2) Harmony being annoying in no way makes Spike's behavior to her OK.

I've always felt slightly annoyed the way she was treated too. I didn't really expect any better though since Spike never actually had a soul in season four and five of Buffy. However, her time on Angel is a different story. In season five she was trying to do right and she was treated like trash by Angel and Spike. It's clear they thought of her as a joke and didn't see her positive contributions. Although she did betray Angel in the past, she was clearly trying to redeem herself by working at Wolfram and Hart even with the lack of a soul.

9) At least into season four, Buffy still thinks of herself as somewhat cooler than Xander and Willow, and I don't think she outgrows that particular privilege for a long while (if ever). c.f. Homecoming, which only works if Buffy believes on some level that she *could* become the most popular kid in school.

I disagree with this mostly because she wouldn't be hanging with them in the first place if she really thought of herself as above them. She chose to be friends with Willow instead of Cordelia in "Welcome to the Hellmouth". Even if she thought of herself as being popular, she never acted in any superior way to her friends.

1) I think Buffy didn't think about Spike much at all prior to Crush. He just usually didn't cross her mind. Hence her puzzled, "Huh?" when Dawn tells her that Spike's in love with her.

In addition to this, I think she might have been disgusted at the thought because she still thinks of him as William the Bloody... but with a chip in his head. Even if she did like him, she was automatically turned off by the thought of him not having a soul. Not until the episode where Spike doesn't reveal to Glory who the key is that I feel she thinks of him in a new light. Even still I don't think she would ever bring herself to love a vampire without a soul which is why she used him in season six for sex but never really loved him.
 
These are unpopular opinions?? I agree with every single thing that you said...haha. I expected to hate this but I love it! Well, unlike you, I actually really liked the flashbacks. It's weird, I hated them when I was younger, but I started watching Angel solely for the flashbacks. Darla got me hooked.

Oh wait...I disagree that Buffy saw herself as cooler than Willow or Xander. She really doesn't seem like that type of person, at all. She may have a slight superiority complex at times but how can she not? But her finding herself "cooler"...that makes her sound like an 8 year old little girl haha

Everything else though, I agree with. Especially Angel trying to kill Wesley. If someone took my little sister...and if I thought that I was never, EVER going to see her again, I would have reacted the same way. I really just don't understand how he could even function after that happened. I would just...lose it! I used to freak out when my sister would cough funny, if my best friend kidnapped her and got her sucked into a hell dimension AHHrjkehwrgq4gwiu!!!! I had very little sympathy for Wesley.

He's lucky that all he got was a slit throat and a little pillow fluff. I do understand why he felt betrayed though. He's human. I can't imagine how lonely and guilty he must have felt.
 
I don't like Oz. Or Woz. I don't kow why. He just vaguely irritates me.
I am a Tillow, so maybe that has something to do with it.
 
Here is a list that I came up with :


-Spike should have been staked in "School Hard" and stayed dead.
-The comics are no longer comics....but a soap opera.
- Fred and Gunn would have been cute together.
- Kate and nina and Riley are the most hated characters in the history of the buffyverse.
- Cangel and Spuffy were really bad mistakes.
- Angel should have never left sunnydale.
- Marcie should have been a series regular.
- Buffy shouldnt be pregnant right now.
- I believe that Connor and Dawn are Bangel's children.
- I believe that Seasons 4- 7 were mostly spike centered.
- I believe that Tara shouldnt have died.
- I believe that Willow shouldnt have had that creepy magic drug addiction thingie.
- I believe that Xander and Cordelia should have been slaughtered in the 1st season.
- I believe that Buffy and Faith are actually long - lost half sisters.
- I believe that Buffy knows that Connor Exists.
- I believe that this will be the final season.
- I believe that buffy should have a sexy alternate personality like Jessica Buchanan.
- I Believe that Angelus should have came out only when Angel was in trouble.
- I believe that Faith should have had her own spin-off.
- I believe that Giles should have died in Season 6.
- I believe that the comics are pushing more fans away than actually bringing them in.
- I think fandom wars are stupid when Joss clearly doesnt care about what the fans want....since he doesnt believe in happy endings.
 
♦ Dawn is one of my favorites characters. I don't understand the hate she generates.

♦ I like Kennedy ! I think she has a great potential for evolution (as much as Faith or Cordelia at their beggining).

♦ Even if I'm not a huge fan of his character, I like Riley (and I totally loved him and Sam on his own one-shot in the season 8 comics).

♦ I'm not a huge fan of Hush. Don't get me wrong, he deserves all the compliments he had, but I never succeed to be that much enthousiastic concerning this episode.

♦ I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion or not on this forum, but season 6 is undoubtedly my favorite 🙂 I know that a lot of fans reproached the fact that it was too dark, but I really loved it and the way they explored the characters and their inner demons.

♦ I don't like Angel in BTVS (I tend to be indifferent). I grew to appreciate him in his own show.

♦ I love Cordelia/Angel, their friendship as much as their romantic relationship.

Damage is my favorite ATS episode, and I really loved Dana's character.

♦ I really, really would have love to see a Spike/Willow friendship. Too bad that it never happened.

♦ I don't like the Spike/Drusilla relationship. I don't really see love for being honest. To me, it was more an attachment that Spike romanticized. I understand their popularity, the concept of an infernal couple was attractive, but it didn't work for me.

♦ This is more divide than unpopular in the fandom, but I think the B/A relationship has to remain a first love and I don't share the wish of some fans of their relationship who want more. And even if I didn't like it, I found interesting the idealization factor in the last seasons, because I thought it was a realistic element, a lot of girls go through that kind of things. They're attached to the idea of being in love like they were by the past, without realizing that they're not the same persons anymore. I don't think their relationship would work, not because of external elements, but simply because of who they are.

♦ Even if I'm not really a fan of their relationship, I think Buffy loved Riley. Maybe not in an intense way, but she loved him. That said, I think I wouldn't be against a friendship between them years after season 5 (it depends of the way they would write it).

♦ I think Buffy began to fall in love with Spike in season 6, but that her depression didn't help and make her react more violently. Season 7 wasn't the creation of her feelings, I think it was more a better (emotional) context for exploring and making her pre-existing feelings deeper and more built.

♦ That's a controversial point, but I loved the Buffy/Spike relationship in season 6. So, so much. It was complex and interesting, exactly because Buffy had feelings for him. I don't believe in the "it was just sex" argument, because in my opinion, their relationship wouldn't have been what it was in season 7 if it had been only physical between them in season 6. There was continuity between those two seasons. Season 6 was the season of their mistakes, and their relationship was the catalyst of what was wrong in their lives at this point. But it doesn't mean that there was a lack of feelings, a lot of elements show the contrary. That was fascinating.

Here, I loved how elisi put it : “Here’s another thing: the issues in this relationship are inherent. They’ve always been there; they always will. When it works in Season 7, it works for the same reasons it doesn’t work in Season 6. Their dependency on one another is as much a strength in Season 7 as it is a weakness for much of Season 6. It’s about the way they deal with the issues, not the issues themselves.”

♦ I really love the Dawn & Xander relationship in the comics.

♦ As a Spuffy fan, I like "Something Blue", but it's not one of my favorites Spuffy episodes (I have the feeling that this episode is highly appreciated by the Spuffy fans, or maybe that's just a wrong impression). This episode is funny, but the fact that they're under the influence of a spell don't make it work for me (in my appreciation of the Spuffy relationship I mean ^^).

♦ I love Xander's character. I've noticed sometimes a lot of Xander's hate, and I know that there is some people who don't like him because of some of his attitudes. I agree that some of his choices and attitudes are questionable, but that's what makes him a realistic character. I may disagree with some of his actions, but it doesn't affect my appreciation of his character. Nobody's perfect.
 
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Love your thoughts about Xander
Pfft, you know what, I still hold this belief:

Amber Benson's breathing during her death scene bugs the crap out of me and always will. I know some people were like "What is she supposed to do", "That shouldn't bother you", etc and I started thinking maybe I was being irrational.

Nope.

Watched several other scenes where people were playing dead and you did not notice them blatantly breathing like Amber did. I think she's a good actress, but she could've held her breath or the director could've shot the scene at an angle where it was less noticeable. Heck, Spartacus has some pretty bad acting but their actors manage to hold their breath in order to play a convincing corpse.

Haha I didn't notice this at all. I was way too traumatized 🙁
 
- dawn is one of my favourite characters in btvs. I don't think she's whiney, I think she's the bravest person in all of the series.
- Connor is one of my favourite characters in Ats. He's really interesting, and I can totally understand why he did the things he did. I don't think it was right, but he acted from a place of pain.
- I don't think Restless is a good episode. I can appriciate parts of it, but mostly I think it's boring.
- I have no problem with Kennedy. I think she's cool for standing up for herself even though she was "just" a potential, and I think she and Willow made a cute couple.
- I really like Harmony. She was funny and cute and I like that she started standing up for herself. It really bugs me when buffy and the scoobies laugh at her.
 
- I think that Buffy vs. Dracula episode was boring.
- I like Dawn.
- I don't really like Buffy and I consider Faith a better slayer.
- I think it's a bit hypocritical for the scoobies to hate Spike for attacking Buffy, but completely forgetting that she had done the same thing to him (only it was played for laughs), and not to mention that she constantly abused him.
- I abusolutely hate Xander and strongly dislike Giles and Robin.
- I cheered for Dark Willow when she fought Buffy.
- I really like the potential girls Amanda and Vi.
- I think Xander was a hypocrite for judging Spike after what happened, when he himself had attacked Buffy once (and even pretended that he didn't remember anything).
- I like the comics.
- I like Oz.
- I despise the werewolf costumes they used (I like the first costume the best).
- I actually like Kennedy.
- I think Buffy and Angel look strange as a couple. I definitely do not ship them.
- I'd like to see a Buffy vs. Drusilla bitchfight over Spike.
 
- I like Connor.
- I think Dawn and Andrew should have gotten together.
- I wish there was more of Cassie.
- I actually like Beer Bad.
- Dark Willow was pointless and I didn't like her at all.
 
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Dawn...and Andrew? Hehe
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I like Connor too :)
I hated Chosen, it seemed so fake and like its purpose was to please fans

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Oh yeah, and all the episodes like, "Beer Bad", "The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco", "Where the Wild Things Are", and the entire first season I ofund great. I think there are no "weak" episodes, except i hated Normal Again
 
Unpopular Buffy/Angel Opinions

What are some unpopular Buffy/Angel opinions do you have to confess?

Buffy:
Anya was the worst main character ever imo
Andrew and Jonathan are very underrated

Angel:
Jasmine/Cordy arc is my favorite of the series
I didn't care that much when Doyle died in Hero, Wesley was better anyways
 
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