Unpopular Opinons (non-Buffy) deux!

[thrasherpix]

Btw, men can be feminists, too (and it's sad that at least a few feminists can forget this right along with anti-feminists). Patrick Stewart speaks out against domestic violence and identifies as a feminist, but that doesn't make him a man-hater. He also talks about help for men coming back from combat duty with PTSD (which he believes is a strong reason why his dad terrorized his mother). When I was growing up I generally got more support from males than females (though we didn't identify as feminists--but then males were more likely to "gender police" other males as females were other females), and as an adult I know plenty who are supportive. The first person I met who identified as a feminist was a man, and he refused to have sex with certain females at times if he was helping them escape bad situations (as he did me) because of concerns that the women felt obligated rather than sincere, and also because he didn't want them to think he was helping them just to get into their pants (which proves he wasn't doing it just to get laid as many anti-feminists would say, though he explained it as he wanted them to know they were worth helping and deserved a better life and shouldn't have to "put out" to get one).

I've gone to multiple self-defense seminars that focused on teaching women to defend themselves and with but one exception they were all managed by men who wanted us to be safe (whereas in TV, and this includes in Buffy btw in the ep Phases, it always seems to be a "butch" woman doing it), and those butt-kicking men identified as feminists.

Back when I went to a gun range, plenty of men asked me how to convince their wives and such how to get more into guns (their wives feeling it was their husband's job or the police to protect them and/or had the belief that "God is bigger than any mugger") because they feared the women they loved being hurt by other men, so they wanted them careful and able to fight back against bad men while remaining on good terms with good men. As generally good men they wanted the bad men off the streets, and if the females they cared about were attacked they wanted those females to do what they could to defend themselves and escape, and get justice, and that's pretty feminist in my book even if they didn't embrace the term.

 

[Anyanka Bunny Slayer]

You're talking about whilst outside. right?

Yes, I am. If we're outside I'm not putting my cigarette out. Why should I? I think its more of a Los Angeles thing, actually.
 

As long as its peaceful political protesting I don't have a problem with it. And the people protesting Trump I fully support. These are exceptional circumstances.

Peaceful or not, if they're blocking traffic, they're roadkill. Then I'll back up...and run them over again. 😀

What's exceptional about it?

 

[Guy]

Yeah i definitely agree with you.
the only thing is that the few who elitist are important figures who are heralded by stupid publications and given awards for basically man-hating (for eg - lena dunham)

I'm not really up-to-date on Lena Dunham... I found her show, 'Girls', to be pretty boring, and quit after a few episodes. What did she say that was man-hating?

 

[Xanderectomy]

I'm not really up-to-date on Lena Dunham... I found her show, 'Girls', to be pretty boring, and quit after a few episodes. What did she say that was man-hating?

OMG UR IN FOR A TREAT.
THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS LENA DUNHAM HAS DONE.

-SHE GOT OFFENDED BECAUSE FOOTBALL PLAYER ODELL BECKHAM JR. WOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH HER AND EXPECTED HIM TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT 'WANTING HER'.
-IN HER AUTO-BIOGRAPHY SHE MENTIONED MASTERBATING HER LITTLE SISTER WHILE SHE WAS SLEEPING (I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP)
-LIED ABOUT BEING RAPED BY A GUY FROM HER COLLEGE (AND SHE INCLUDED THE REAL NAME AND THE PLACE WHERE HE WORKED SO HE COULD GET ASSAULTED FOR A CRIME HE DIDN'T COMMIT)

AND DESPITE ALL OF THIS SHE IS AN 'AWARD WINNING' FEMINIST ICON.

 

[GwenRaiden]

Priceless: Shameless US or UK? US version is fantastic

Both. 😳 But especially the English version.

 

[Anyanka Bunny Slayer]

OMG UR IN FOR A TREAT.
THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS LENA DUNHAM HAS DONE.

-SHE GOT OFFENDED BECAUSE FOOTBALL PLAYER ODELL BECKHAM JR. WOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH HER AND EXPECTED HIM TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT 'WANTING HER'.
-IN HER AUTO-BIOGRAPHY SHE MENTIONED MASTERBATING HER LITTLE SISTER WHILE SHE WAS SLEEPING (I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP)
-LIED ABOUT BEING RAPED BY A GUY FROM HER COLLEGE (AND SHE INCLUDED THE REAL NAME AND THE PLACE WHERE HE WORKED SO HE COULD GET ASSAULTED FOR A CRIME HE DIDN'T COMMIT)

AND DESPITE ALL OF THIS SHE IS AN 'AWARD WINNING' FEMINIST ICON.

4. DiStOrTeD TeXt and text used in all CAPS (the online equivalent of shouting) should not be used.

😛

 

[Xanderectomy]

4. DiStOrTeD TeXt and text used in all CAPS (the online equivalent of shouting) should not be used.

oh uh sorry didn't know about that

 

[Anyanka Bunny Slayer]

oh uh sorry didn't know about that

I'm just messing with you, sweetie. 🙂

When I got in trouble bored recently, I decided to read the rules & help section here. And since I'm obsessive, I read every single word. 😀

 

[Mr Trick]

Obviously feminism isn't worse than the freaking KKK.
Well im an indian guy whos lived in the united states for about 4 years and except for a couple of incidents,i've never been discriminated against by a white person or for not being white.
 


Well let me give you an example.
Google feminism right now and see the results that come up.
90% are going to be related to the washington march,which is a march regarding people gathering the streets to protest against Donald Trump.
Now during this March women that were of a pro-life standpoint (believed that every child had the right to live or women who are against abortion) were booted out of the march and why because they had an opposing view to what feminists usually do.

Now this is why i hate alot of feminists.

When people talk about the white majority being favoured over the minorities their not normally talking about acts of racism, but more than the white majority are given greater chances to succeed than the minorities. I don't see much evidence to contradict that right now.

I'd say that's a fault with google more than feminism. Besides I don't think most the women protesting this weekend would cite feminism as the reason. How do you know their against abortion? I think they are made up of a range of women (and men by the way) of all view points.

I have met a handful of man-hating feminists who interpreted feminism as "men vs women" rather than something more about equality, but they were definitely the exception AND they caught flak from other feminists. (And NONE became feminists "because I was cheated on," and with all the feminists AND anti-feminists rants I've heard over the years, this is even the first I've heard of that one being the reason! I get the impression that the man hating kind are more asexual, even the ones who identify as lesbian.)

At least that's feminism offline, I'm not sure what to make of online stuff as that's where people really let their crazy out (or like one said, nitpick over trivial things to the point that actual important stuff is either overlooked, or dealt with in a counterproductive way). But even then they get called on it by other feminists, though I know of at least one (who basically called Joss Whedom a promoter of rape culture through not only Firefly but also Buffy, IIRC--just to be clear here, this wasn't a rational critique of JW works which also exist, this was the kind of unabashed ridiculousness that you'll typically only find on the internet rather than real life) who kept deleting any post criticizing her (especially criticizing her in the name of feminism), unless it was a "you're an evil bitch" type (I presume to show how men hate women so women had better hate men, or maybe men spewing hate at her made her feel validated in her beliefs while feminists instead debating her argument made her insecure).

Online, it seems more popular to hate on feminism. I emphasize "seems" as I don't plunge often into its depths of its madness often and tend to shy away from the ideological crazy (including both the warped feminism and anti-feminism), but it turns up consistently in surprising places, and I've encountered such sentiments far more than the rabid feminist kind even on comic pages, even when it had nothing at all to do with the comic (same for news articles and the like). Like the news, the comics site I visit canceled out all comments because of all the constant political (including lots of hate for feminists while pro-feminist was rare) and religious bile that people couldn't seem to keep themselves from posting. Plenty of times the comments made me want to weep for humanity more than even news of terrorism and the like, because it seemed so pervasive, like it was ordinary for people to think these things secretly whereas the evil people did seemed to be by relatively few (but then again many mistake the few extremists for the entire group which I suppose is the same as equating all feminists with the worst of them). I don't just mean anti-feminism, but all sorts of ideologies (and religion and anti-religion), heck even some identifying as feminist could be disturbing or annoying to me, when it was the kind of craziness that seems all too common online as opposed to when people at least try to fake sanity (as they do when face to face rather than cloaked in anonymity).

Years ago I was invited to join a message board that dealt with a lot of philosophy because the guy who invited me wanted to weigh in on a certain subject. So I did, but experienced weeks of demonizing females (especially feminism, but the hatred was against all females, and I don't see why gender mattered at all) and giving me a hard time no matter how friendly I was (though some, including mods, would tell them to cool it but it would always start back up), and yet had the gall to complain that women didn't like the board or them personally (they really had no idea why this was so? 🙄 ) so I just left. I went back a few weeks later but saw another anti-woman rant (and one I'd seen repeated in one form or another since I got there) so I left again. Six months later I visited one last time and found 3 rants against women or feminism. Now these did get argued so it wasn't like the entire board, but no one EVER (to my knowledge) ever posted a pro-feminism thread, and the hostility was so constant and I just felt unwelcome just for not being born male and have never returned, but those who constantly hated on females honestly don't seem to realize they're the reason why females stay away.

And YouTube has promoted various types of anti-feminism vids to me on multiple occasions, and I'm not even sure why (though I got a bunch once after I looked up game play vids, which I recall because I clicked on a few out of curiosity), but in all my years they have never promoted a pro-feminist vid to me (or if they did then it was so long ago that I don't recall--wait, there is Samantha Bee and Young Turks, but that's more generally liberal that includes feminism, and I'm sure pay to get extra promotion) despite that I know they have them (heck, I used to be subscribed to one feminist channel, but I still get anti-feminist vids promoted to me).

And with notable exceptions (like Joss Whedon's works), it seems most feminists portrayed on TV and movies are the straw feminist kind, and that even includes an episode of Eerie, Indiana I saw as a child (Reality Takes a Holiday in case anyone is curious). I think it's often done as a cheap laugh rather than trying to demonize a movement, but it wouldn't be so pervasive if it was costing them too many viewers, and I've also noticed that many people mistake what they see over and over in the media for reality as well.

Well said. I think their the sort of so-called feminists than I was talking about too🙂 I mean I knew a girl a few years ago who claimed to be a feminist, and part of her idea of that was that everytime one of her women friends broke up with a guy, was to assume that it was because of something the guy did rather than just accepting that sometimes relationships naturally come to a end.

STOP making films about the Holocaust and slavery. Yes, we get it. Those were terrible times. We don't need more reminders.

Eliza Dushku was entertaining only when she guest-starred on Angel...and in Jay and Silent Bob Stike Back. Otherwise...meh.

Non-smokers have become far too bold. If the smoke bothers you, walk away. Coughing loudly and waving your arms around won't make me put out my cigarette. In fact, I'll probably start chainsmoking just to piss you off more.

I agree with your first point, except when those films have something different to say.

Didn't you like ED in Dollhouse?

Does the smoking one even count as an opinion?😀

 

[Anyanka Bunny Slayer]

I agree with your first point, except when those films have something different to say.

Didn't you like ED in Dollhouse?

Does the smoking one even count as an opinion?😀

First of all, you mis-quoted @thetopher; those were my words, for the record. 😛

At this point, the films have nothing different to say. Not a thing.

I haven't seen Dollhouse. Ever.

The smoking one does indeed count as an opinion. Or a threat. 😀

 

[Athena]

None of the guys in One Direction (or any other boy-band of recent years) are actually good looking. Like, they just look like kids, even though they're grown adult men now.

Apart from Justin Timberlake. That man is ess-cee-ex. 😉

 

[DeadlyDuo]

None of the guys in One Direction (or any other boy-band of recent years) are actually good looking. Like, they just look like kids, even though they're grown adult men now.

Apart from Justin Timberlake. That man is ess-cee-ex. 😉

Agree about One Direction, disagree about Justin Timberlake.

 

[Guy]

OMG UR IN FOR A TREAT.
THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS LENA DUNHAM HAS DONE.

-SHE GOT OFFENDED BECAUSE FOOTBALL PLAYER ODELL BECKHAM JR. WOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH HER AND EXPECTED HIM TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT 'WANTING HER'.
-IN HER AUTO-BIOGRAPHY SHE MENTIONED MASTERBATING HER LITTLE SISTER WHILE SHE WAS SLEEPING (I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP)
-LIED ABOUT BEING RAPED BY A GUY FROM HER COLLEGE (AND SHE INCLUDED THE REAL NAME AND THE PLACE WHERE HE WORKED SO HE COULD GET ASSAULTED FOR A CRIME HE DIDN'T COMMIT)

AND DESPITE ALL OF THIS SHE IS AN 'AWARD WINNING' FEMINIST ICON.

Is there any chance that she was kidding about some of these? Because these last 2 are really bad things...

 

[FaithsFollower]

I don't think it's funny. I actually think the humour is pretty cringeworthy.

Some if it was, indeed, cringe-worthy. 🙄

Here's an unpopular opinion:

Justin Trudeau. I can't stand the guy. I mean, I was initially excited when he became prime minister because I felt that he could breathe new life in our government...but to me, he's not doing that. 🙁

 

[Xanderectomy]

When people talk about the white majority being favoured over the minorities their not normally talking about acts of racism, but more than the white majority are given greater chances to succeed than the minorities. I don't see much evidence to contradict that right now.

I'd say that's a fault with google more than feminism. Besides I don't think most the women protesting this weekend would cite feminism as the reason. How do you know their against abortion? I think they are made up of a range of women (and men by the way) of all view points.

Yeah,thats what i meant by i have not been discriminated against for not being white.I've applied for several jobs and have gotten them ahead of several white people who also interviewed.

Basically a pro-life women's group was originally one of the sponsors of the march but after some other backers of the march got to know about their pro-life stance,they were removed from the march. Source - Pro-Life Feminist Calls Out 'Specific Type of Diversity' for Exclusion from March
 

Is there any chance that she was kidding about some of these? Because these last 2 are really bad things...

I doubt you can joke about being raped and then mention an actual person who has never had any sexual interaction with you as the rapist.
Oh and one thing i forgot to mention was that her little sister was under-age so not only was it rape,incest but also pedophlila.
 

Some if it was, indeed, cringe-worthy.

which season did you guys watch?(pls dont say the last one)

 

[vellavu]

Anything whole grain is evil.

 

[Foxy]

I hate Star Wars it is an empty story that...no there is no story. I absolutely hate it and I have tried to watch all the movies, but it is terrible. The world building is quite all right, but the plot and characters don't make any sense whatsoever.

I just don't get all the love? There is nothing there it is just a series of the same already empty idea rehashed over like what 7 times?

 

[Guy]

I hate Star Wars it is an empty story that...no there is no story. I absolutely hate it and I have tried to watch all the movies, but it is terrible. The world building is quite all right, but the plot and characters don't make any sense whatsoever.

I just don't get all the love? There is nothing there it is just a series of the same already empty idea rehashed over like what 7 times?

As someone who's NOT a Star Wars fan, I still think that 'Empire Strikes Back' is a really good movie. 'A New Hope', 'Return of the Jedi' and 'Force Awakens' are mediocre, and the prequels are garbage, but 'Empire' is really, really good.

 

[Foxy]

As someone who's NOT a Star Wars fan, I still think that 'Empire Strikes Back' is a really good movie. 'A New Hope', 'Return of the Jedi' and 'Force Awakens' are mediocre, and the prequels are garbage, but 'Empire' is really, really good.

Nope even hated that one!

 

[November]

Good timing, I am watching The Force Awakens now.

I wouldnt say I am a hard core fan but I enjoy it. I think I prefer Rouge One over The Force Awakens. Im not keen on 1-3.