What did Spike want?

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What did Spike want?

  • His Chip Out!

    Votes: 18 41.9%

  • His Soul In!

    Votes: 22 51.2%

  • Both/Neither/Something Else/I'm Blonde

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Total voters
    43
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Allycat

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When Spike went away in Season 6 after his attempted rape on Buffy, what was he out to get? To remind you, this was what happened:

Cut to a desert village made up of grass huts on sand. Some African women are sitting around a fire talking. In the background more people walking around, sitting, etc. Spike, wearing all black, strides between the huts. He passes an African man walking the other way.

Spike continues walking, his face determined. Another villager tries to stop him, saying something in an African language.

VILLAGER: Toyenza coyengara. Erio mtuwana.
SPIKE: Not asking for permission, mate.

Spike never stops walking, strides past the man and onward. The man yells after him but doesn't follow.

VILLAGER: Ymirira! Odja kufa! Ymirira!

Spike enters a dark cave. He slows down. It's almost completely black. He flicks open his lighter, revealing paintings on the cave walls. Images of people's faces in pain, bodies with blood pouring out of them, skulls. Spike looks at them, a little nervous. The music continues.

More paintings. One depicts a black figure holding out an arm toward another figure, which is red and dripping blood.

A breeze blows out the lighter. Spike looks at it, slowly flicks it closed and continues into the cave. Then a deep gravelly voice speaks.

VOICE: You seek me, vampire?

Spike looks nervous, but covers it.

SPIKE: You do the finger paintings? Nice work.

We see a demon in the darkness, but all we can see is an indistinct shape and a pair of green glowing eyes.

DEMON: Answer me.
SPIKE: Yeah. I seek you.
DEMON: Something about a woman. The slayer.
SPIKE: (nods, barely concealed anger) Thinks she's better than me. Ever since I got this bleeding chip in my head, things ain't been right. Everything's gone to hell.
DEMON: And you want to return to your former self.
SPIKE: Yeah.

Close on the green glowing eyes as the demon laughs evilly.

SPIKE: What?
DEMON: Look what she's reduced you to.
SPIKE: It's this bloody chip-
DEMON: You were a legendary dark warrior, and you let yourself be castrated. (Spike looking angry) And you have the audacity to crawl in here and demand restoration?
SPIKE: I'm still a warrior.
DEMON: You're a pathetic excuse for a demon.
SPIKE: (angry) Yeah? I'll show you pathetic. Give me your best shot.
DEMON: You'd never endure the trials required to grant your request.
SPIKE: Do your worst. But when I win ... I want what I came here for.

The demon watches him, breathes loudly but says nothing.

SPIKE: Bitch is gonna see a change.
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Fade to the cave in Africa.

Pan across the darkness to reveal Spike lying on his back on the ground, motionless.

Amen.

The music fades and stops. A shadow moves across Spike's face

DEMON VOICE: You have endured the required trials.
SPIKE: Bloody right I have.

Slowly, painfully, Spike rolls onto his side and pushes himself up onto his knees. His face is swollen and bruised, more bruising and injuries on his chest and arms.

SPIKE: So you'll give me what I want. Make me what I was. So Buffy can get what she deserves.

Close on the demon's glowing green eyes.

DEMON: Very well.

Spike watches the demon nervously.

DEMON: We will return...

The demon's hand reaches out toward Spike's chest.

DEMON: ...your soul.

The hand touches his chest and it glows fiery yellow-orange. Spike's eyes glow the same color. He throws back his head and screams.
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So, what was what Spike wanted all along, his chip out or a soul in?
 
He wanted his chip out..he wanted to show Buffy he's still a vicious vampire and he wanted to be able to hurt people again...
 
Well Joss and co. say he was there to get his soul, I still think he wasnt there for that I think it was for his Chip
 
I too think that he was there to get his chip out, rather then a soul in.
 
I think he wanted the chip out to prove to buffy that he wasn't one to be just pushed around that he was still a strong bad ass vamp that could hurt her....
 
I'm glad you posted that Ally...because until now I never realized just how ambigious the dialouge was...
But I still think, as I did then, that he wanted his chip out...

"The bitch is gonna get what she deserves"...
Yeah...that is how you address somebody you are going to risk your life for just so you can get a soul and they will love you...it sounds more bitter, angry, and hateful to me...
 
anyone who said he wanted the chip out to hurt Buffy is wrong. He could already hurt Buffy, since she came back slightly wrong. It's possible that he wanted the chip out to prove that he could still be a good vamp, even without that muzzle, but I think the fact that Joss said it was his soul indicates that he wanted a soul.
 
Wow, great question! I'm not totally sure. When you see him leaving Sunnydale he seems to be under the impression that he really wants to kill Buffy and the rest of the gang.
What you've (^) said makes sense, but maybe Spike wanted to kill more than just Buffy? Maybe he wanted to kill the whole Scooby Gang and he couldnt do that without the chip out
::mmm::
 
I think he definitely went to get his soul. In season sevon he harps continuosly on the fact he sought out the soul instead of having it forced upon him. I think that the references to the chip were to make the big reveal more shocking to the unspoiled viewers.
 
I'm going with chip out...when he talks to Clem in...Two to Go?...somewhere around there anyway, and he's talking about giving her what she deserves or something - he's very angry and agressive, I don't get the impression he's looking to be the man she deserves, but more like he's going to kick her butt.

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I think he wanted his soul...
One, beacuse he can hurt Buffy all he wants even with the chip...
Two, as angry as he was, he did love her....
Three, I think his anger was talking when he said those things, but I think the dialog was the way it was to make us believe one thing, and at the end, show us differently...just my opinion though...
If you listen to what he say carefully...he never in any way asks for teh chip to be taken out, although I will say he doesn't say anythinf abotu his soul either...
So Joss has said he really did want his soul in, I'm gonna trust Joss....
 
i originally thought it was to get chip out, but joss has said it was his intent all along to get the soul and they wanted to throw us off by thinking it was the chip so we would be surprised when it was the soul. whew! 🙂
 
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