What do the writers want us to believe about Spuffy sex?

[cryptwarmer]

They showed us a lot of it. And yes they did it hard, often and in some public places. And sometimes they roughed one another up first Buffy seemed to like to beat the crap out of Spike beforehand. But they never show us anything to make us think it was really bizarre or abusive. No whips, chains, etc. Even with the hand cuffs, his hands are chained to nothing but each other.

But when Buffy confesses to Tara, she implies that she let Spike do awful things to her, and again in the early episodes of S7 she makes some reference to their sex as if some really twisted stuff took place.

It looked pretty straight up, usually with Buffy on top and in control, so I get confused about exactly what Spike did to her that she is so disgusted by.


Are we supposed to think that something really kinky/bizarre took place other than what we see?

It looked like other than being an anytime/anywhere couple, and the fact that SHE liked to beat him up, they weren't up to anything scary.

I wonder if when she confessed to Tara, she shouldn't have said "I can't believe I did those disgusting things to Spike"

 

[Blackloliita]

Well he "raped" her, though it wasn't really raping to me BUT YEAH... And for the rest I think she says she thinks it's disgusting, 'cause she doesn't want to convince it was actually good 'cause it was with Spike... I don't know if this is what you're claiming on but that's how I think about it.

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

The disgusting sex part with Spike wasn't anything visually appalling (though I would like to have seen the depraved Buffy/Spike sex scene) it is/was the mere fact she was having sex with a soulless demon.

Lets not forget that while Spike was helping the good guys, he was still soulless and capable of evil/morally questionable acts.

In 'As You Were' he is the 'villain'.

The difference between sex with him and Angel was the soul.

 

[white avenger]

I think that it was the sheer passion of her relationship with Spike that she was ashamed of. In her single night with Angel, he was almost certainly very gentle with her, due to her lack of experience. No tearing down houses or even kicking holes in plaster. I never got the impression of anything but sheer romance with Riley, even to the point that Faith/Buffy, with her "How do you want me?" was a complete shock to him.

With Spike, at least in Season 6, everything was sheer mind numbing, clawing, biting, screaming, house-tearing-down passion, and Buffy discovered that she really loved it that way, if for no other reason than that in those moments (or hours, depending on your own imagination), she was able to escape her problems. Whether you care to interpret it as love or lust, Buffy was becoming as addicted to Spike and what he could give her as Willow had become addicted to magic. That was what she was ashamed of.

 

[LorneyTunes]

I agree with you white avenger she really was a Spike Junkie and he was also a Buffy addict , when she said no Spike couldn't take that answer. He really did bring out the darkness within Buffy and she was ashamed because she liked the pain that goes with the dark.

 

[Kemy]

A Slayer who went behind her friends backs, threw all caution to the wind, took leave of her senses, indulged in something purely physical repeatedly, with someone she loathed, a soulless mass murdering fiend, letting her guard down around someone who could kill her in an instant, physically violent, verbally obscene and enjoying every second of it because of it all and feeling no remorse until it nearly consumed her.

It was more about it being so wrong, Buffy turning into everything she hated, than the intricacies of the acts themselves, which I suppose were intended to be as slightly perverse as could be shown to further hint at the wrongness of it anyway.

I think lol.

 

[MichelleBFT]

I never got the impression of anything but sheer romance with Riley, even to the point that Faith/Buffy, with her "How do you want me?" was a complete shock to him.

Eh, the "How do you want me?" was very early in Buffy & Riley's relationship. You'll recall in the beginning of season 5 she offers him roleplaying sex in return for moving her back into her house ("Well, this earns you a big favor. There could be outfits.") I don't think outside-of-the-norm sex is really outside of the norm for Buffy and Riley once they get going together.

 

[Kemy]

Eh, the "How do you want me?" was very early in Buffy & Riley's relationship. You'll recall in the beginning of season 5 she offers him roleplaying sex in return for moving her back into her house ("Well, this earns you a big favor. There could be outfits.") I don't think outside-of-the-norm sex is really outside of the norm for Buffy and Riley once they get going together.

Play Chaos Bleeds, *all* the characters hint at being rather kinky/role playing. Even Willow keeps quipping about using every item she finds as a sex toy of some sort. (Which is rather embarrassing when playing it in front of your parents by the way).

Which makes the mind boggle all the more at just what the heck was going on with Spuffy that had all of them ready to throw up LOL.

 

[Kali]

With Spike, at least in Season 6, everything was sheer mind numbing, clawing, biting, screaming, house-tearing-down passion, and Buffy discovered that she really loved it that way, if for no other reason than that in those moments (or hours, depending on your own imagination), she was able to escape her problems. Whether you care to interpret it as love or lust, Buffy was becoming as addicted to Spike and what he could give her as Willow had become addicted to magic. That was what she was ashamed of.

Yup, I agree wholeheartedly, except I think it was more disgust and self loathing than shame, but that comes from her using him and being aware of it. I think it was the intensity that Buffy was ashamed of, the way he could completely saturate her, the way he could get inside her head and raise her all to new levels of feeling, a place where other lovers had failed to take her, a place she needed to go as the dark spot inside her had grown since coming back. And given half a chance wouldn't we all want that?

 

[Charlie Kaur]

I agree with White Avenger too but I also think the writers were hinting at some kinky stuff - perhaps things not going where they usually go and erm...have I gone too far...?

 

[Crazy Flakes]

Eh, the "How do you want me?" was very early in Buffy & Riley's relationship. You'll recall in the beginning of season 5 she offers him roleplaying sex in return for moving her back into her house ("Well, this earns you a big favor. There could be outfits.") I don't think outside-of-the-norm sex is really outside of the norm for Buffy and Riley once they get going together.

I always thought that statement was just Buffy teasing him. Still, even if there was some rough and/or kinky business in the Buffy/Riley relationship, I doubt it was anything like what Buffy and Spike did. Buffy probably had to be a lot more gentle with Riley, since he was a regular human and might have gotten hurt if they, oh, say, had sex so rough that it tore down a house.

Also, I have a feeling it went a lot further than what we saw. Obviously, they could only have done so much on regular TV, but they sort of implied that they did some pretty crazy stuff that we didn't see (I mean, Spike constantly said that Buffy was the wildest girl he'd ever been with, and, considering the fact that Dru was batsh-t insane...) Even if it did only go as far as we saw, it was still nothing like anything Buffy had ever experienced, especially because she didn't care about Spike like she did about Angel and Riley. Plus, there's the whole "evil, soulless killer" thing...

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Yup, I agree wholeheartedly, except I think it was more disgust and self loathing than shame, but that comes from her using him and being aware of it. I think it was the intensity that Buffy was ashamed of, the way he could completely saturate her, the way he could get inside her head and raise her all to new levels of feeling, a place where other lovers had failed to take her, a place she needed to go as the dark spot inside her had grown since coming back. And given half a chance wouldn't we all want that?

I actually agree with that, to a degree. I think they way you make it sounds seems very one-sided. But I also think that Buffy knew she affected Spike in ways that no one else has, and that added to it as well.

 

[white avenger]

Also, remember in "Dead Things," when Spike said, "I'm just trying to keep up..." Apparently our little Slayer had some kinky ideas of her own that she had been trying out. Lord only knows what went on down there underneath Spike's crypt, but it didn't just involve handcuffs, and it wasn't all initiated by an evil soul-less vampire. Spike would have been a willing participant in every kinky fantasy Buffy had ever had. The mind boggles just thinking about it. Poor used, abused, and discarded Spike! The Slayer's sex toy. A fate worse than undeath.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

The Slayer's sex toy. A fate worse than undeath.

it's hard to imagine the depths of depravity that could go. Shocking. That is why Bangelus was the best ship that never was.

 

[Kali]

it's hard to imagine the depths of depravity that could go. Shocking. That is why Bangelus was the best ship that never was.

Oh I'd give it a good go. We should have seen more of it, like EB said.

But Bangelus would have been mighty fine too 🙂

 

[Skanky Vamp]

it's hard damn work to brood all the time WA! gotta give him some credit. the hours of dedication!

 

[Crazy Flakes]

The Slayer's sex toy. A fate worse than undeath.

Okay, someone needs to submit this to the "Random Quotes" thing, pronto.

 

[Veyron]

But when Buffy confesses to Tara, she implies that she let Spike do awful things to her, and again in the early episodes of S7 she makes some reference to their sex as if some really twisted stuff took place.

I don't think Buffy 'let' Spike do some awful things to her, I think Buffy actually encouraged those so called awful things, and that she positively enjoyed herself - if anything kinky happened it was by mutual consent rather than one or the other taking the lead. Who wouldn't want the chance to live out all their sexual fantasies and as she had the opportunity, I'm sure that Buffy would have taken advantage of the situation to the fullest.

Are we supposed to think that something really kinky/bizarre took place other than what we see?

I damned well hope so!

The disgusting sex part with Spike wasn't anything visually appalling (though I would like to have seen the depraved Buffy/Spike sex scene) it is/was the mere fact she was having sex with a soulless demon.

I wouldn't have minded seeing them too, but that's just my depraved side coming out 😉 And at the time they were having sex, Spike had his soul didn't he?

Lets not forget that while Spike was helping the good guys, he was still soulless and capable of evil/morally questionable acts.

Except murder, violence of any type and he did have a soul and a chip!

In 'As You Were' he is the 'villain'. The difference between sex with him and Angel was the soul.

They both had souls so that's a pointless statement.

A Slayer who went behind her friends backs, threw all caution to the wind, took leave of her senses, indulged in something purely physical repeatedly, with someone she loathed, a soulless mass murdering fiend, letting her guard down around someone who could kill her in an instant, physically violent, verbally obscene and enjoying every second of it because of it all and feeling no remorse until it nearly consumed her.

Again, he wasn't souless and he couldn't have killed her in an instant because of the chip - just because he found out that he could hit her doesn't mean to say that could have bit her. Anyway, why would you want to kill the person you're in love with and having (apparently) wonderful sex?

I agree with White Avenger too but I also think the writers were hinting at some kinky stuff - perhaps things not going where they usually go and erm...have I gone too far...?

Nah. There was probably a heck of a lot more the writers could have shown us (well, hinted at anyway). The writers could have been more suggestive if they'd wanted to have been, but due to the religious out-cry that there surely would have been they didn't. Which is a damned shame if you ask me.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

They showed us a lot of it. And yes they did it hard, often and in some public places. And sometimes they roughed one another up first Buffy seemed to like to beat the crap out of Spike beforehand. But they never show us anything to make us think it was really bizarre or abusive. No whips, chains, etc. Even with the hand cuffs, his hands are chained to nothing but each other.

But when Buffy confesses to Tara, she implies that she let Spike do awful things to her, and again in the early episodes of S7 she makes some reference to their sex as if some really twisted stuff took place.

It looked pretty straight up, usually with Buffy on top and in control, so I get confused about exactly what Spike did to her that she is so disgusted by.


Are we supposed to think that something really kinky/bizarre took place other than what we see?

It looked like other than being an anytime/anywhere couple, and the fact that SHE liked to beat him up, they weren't up to anything scary.

I wonder if when she confessed to Tara, she shouldn't have said "I can't believe I did those disgusting things to Spike"

VERY good point. I always assumed we were sopposed to wonder about what they were doing "off" screen. What they're showing us, is I guess, censored?

Well, Buff would never admit that she was mistreating Spike to anyone else but him, I guess.
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Also, remember in "Dead Things," when Spike said, "I'm just trying to keep up..." Apparently our little Slayer had some kinky ideas of her own that she had been trying out. Lord only knows what went on down there underneath Spike's crypt, but it didn't just involve handcuffs, and it wasn't all initiated by an evil soul-less vampire. Spike would have been a willing participant in every kinky fantasy Buffy had ever had. The mind boggles just thinking about it. Poor used, abused, and discarded Spike! The Slayer's sex toy. A fate worse than undeath.

God, I love it 🙂
Good, Good mental images...
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Okay, someone needs to submit this to the "Random Quotes" thing, pronto.

I'll do it! 😉

Pronto.

 

[white avenger]

I wouldn't have minded seeing them too, but that's just my depraved side coming out 😉 And at the time they were having sex, Spike had his soul didn't he?


All of the kinkiness happened in the beginning of Season 6, and Spike didn't get his soul until the last scene in the last episode of that season, so, no, Spike didn't have his soul at that time.