What do you think about season 6?

I like how you refer to the magic of season 2 and 3 because i feel that's exactly right.

Season 6 lacked any real magical moments until Giles return which was a fantastic moment and it sent you back to the days of season 2 and 3. The chat he had with Buffy when they laughed for ages was great to see and Buffy telling Dawn she wanted to show her the world was another likeable moment.
 
Yes, those moments were great. But for me, it took far too long to get there. All angst has a time limit, viewers can get very annoyed if a character dwells in angst for too long. Of course the limit is different for each viewer. I was fine with Buffy's angst up until about episode 9/10. Then I just didn't care anymore. This may sound callous, but I just thought "get over it already!".
 
While this is probably my second least favorite season, I do like it. I just think that I had a problem with the last three because what drew me to the show was the dynamic between the four main characters: Buffy, Giles, Willow, and Xander. And once more people were introduced into the core, that dynamic changed. Especially when Dawn entered in.

Above all, though, I can appreciate season 6. I think it had a killer story... the idea of Buffy being brought back from Heaven and having to deal with that, the three super dorks as villians, and then to have Willow lose control.

I don't really care how much logic is behind it, I did not like that Giles left Buffy. I get that there were reasons outside of the show, and I get that within the show Buffy had perhaps begun to rely on him too much. But, let's face it, she was brought back from Heaven. Ripped out by her friends. And put into a world where almost all of her resources had dried up. I hated when they sat around her in the living room and explained to her that her money was gone. All I could think was "Wait a minute... havent YOU been living there this whole time?" and I thought it was incredibly kind, and reminiscent of their relationship in earlier seasons, when Giles offered Buffy a check.

This season has its ups and downs. I have to say that I do love the Buffy/Spike business. Quite frankly, if I were in that kind of situation, I'd probably be banging Spike too. Cuz, let's face it, he was so hyper aware of Buffy, it's no wonder she found refuge in him while the rest of the scoobies were wrapped up in themselves.
 
It's my favorite season, I loved it when Willow turned bad. I don't mean to be satanic but it was fascitinating/disgusting how Willow ripped Warren's skin of. Complete darkness 🙂 hehe.
 
I found this season very painful to watch most of the time because I thought it was repetitive, blatant and needlessly gratutious.

Seeing Buffy and Spike have sex in every episode made me cringe. I wouldn't really call that sex... I mean, watching Spike stick his hand between Bufster's legs was just making me angry. To see the 'hero' degrading herself like that and then defending the soulless creep didn't make me hate Buffy - it made me hate the show's writers... It was completely inappropraite for the most part.

For example, episodes that are meant to be 'light' like Gone instantly became unwatchable with dreadful reminders that this horrible storyline was happening.

I didn't even mind the rape scene in Seeing Red considering I EXPECT a soulless vampire to be an evil sonvuabitch - I just hated that they fell in love with eachother - what a joke... Completely out of character, even in the season's context, and downright insulting to the viewer. A kiss is fine - but god damn, she just kept coming back to him and it was just painful... Spike made Riley look good.

Oh, and about the repetitiveness... Dawn is telling Buffy "You're never around!" in EVERY EPISODE. Buy the slayer a clue.

The storyline would have worked better if Spike was trying to turn Buffy into a vampire.

It's a big shame because this season would have probably been the best of the post-high school seasons without it... Willow going bad is a great storyline (barring that cheesy drug metaphor in that one episode), I liked that Amy finally turned back into a human, I liked that Xander saved the day, I liked Dawn and Tara and the Trio with their little challenges, which were a decent relief to the cold tone of the series. And of course, the musical episode was awesome (Because it was written and directed by Whedon). Oh, and I loved the little "Bored now." callback right before Warren dies.
 
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"repetitive, blatant and needlessly gratutious"... I love you. :D
If I had to rank all seven seasons of Buffy, Season 6 would fall smack dab in the middle. Although S6 has some of the show's worst moments (the 6 episodes that make up the Big Bad Willow arc are just awful) it has, for me, some of the shows most moving character moments. I love the emotion of this season, something I felt was seriously lacking from S5.

I love Buffy in S6. Throughout the first five seasons my opinions of Buffy wavered from annoying to relatable, but in Season 6 I love her character. I think it's brave to show a heroine not being perfect and dealing with something as destructive as mental illness. It's not pretty, but it's something so many people go through. A lot of people felt that this made Buffy less of a female role model; it was the exact opposite for me.

As a massive Tara/Willow shipper *coughOTPcough*, I enjoyed how the writer's finally decided to develop Tara's character. She grew so much and because of that Tara and Willow grew stronger as a couple. I could probably devote a a massive post to this, but I won't. It'd be unkind. 😉
 
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Nicely put! (This part about Buffy's character/personality)
The first time I watched it was not my favorite. But after multiple viewings I have grown to like it. It is kind of like season 4 to me people change and grow up except in this case Buffy was going through a lot. I like Buffy and Spike but I appreciate their relationship a little more in season 7.
So overall it is not my favorite season but I do like some of the episodes and think it is good. I will say that I liked Dark Willow and the moment we got with her and Xander in the season finale.
 
Season 6 was okay, but it's probably my least favourite of the series due to the lack of Giles and the completely uninteresting trio. However it was also the first season I saw all the way through, so it does get nostalgic bonus points from me.
 
My opinions of S6? Here's some words that come to mind: Musical, dark, extremely dark, sexual, not-thought-out-very-well-at-some-points. Alright, so I cheated on the last word. 🙂
Like Moon Eyes, it was the first full season of Buffy (or Whedon for that matter) I've ever seen, so I'm kinda biased... However, I do think it was fantastic. To me, it's like everything's coming full circle. In the last 5 seasons I think no one (as in a character) really took it seriously. Sure, they saved the world, and about died quite a few times, but I think this is the first season that actually has problems that directly correlate to a character's life. I'm probably going to be debunked from this claim right after I post this, but whatever. In many people's eyes (ie: the casual viewer), sadness isn't a good thing in movies/TV shows/books. People cry, and they don't really want to cry at all. They want everything to be perfect (see: Breaking Dawn). In my case however, I kinda think heartbreak and sadness is a good thing. Take for example Wolves at the Gate. It took the classic Buffy formula of making everything light, campy, and comedic, and completely turned it upside down with the death of a certain character. Most people I think would see this is a bad thing. "I don't want these people to die!" I see it as gripping, enthralling, etc etc. It keeps me reading, and after I'm done, I look back and see this amazing piece of work that I just got done reading. It went from happy to sad to kickass-fight-scene-where-you-actually-care-about-whether-the-character-die. And I think this is what BS6 does best. It takes us from episodes like Life Serial, Tabula Rasa, OMWF, and Gone, to episodes like Hell's Bells, Seeing Red, and Grave.
Well, there's my two cents. Feel free to argue or whatever.
 
Sadness is great. The thing is, S6 isn't sad. It's depressing. There's a massive difference between the two.

Becoming is sad. The Body is sad. Lullaby is sad. Why are these episodes some of my favourites? Because sad is good when there is a balance. Seasons 1-5 are not happy fun times. They are very emotional, very hard on the characters. But good things still happened to the characters. We got a show that reflected real life - because real life is never like S6. It's never that relentlessly, exclusively depressing. There are always good things happening at the same time as bad things.

And just as the happy moments are made so much happier when they come after tough times, the sad moments become so much more emotionally powerful when they come after good times. Look at the last scene of I Was Made To Love You - the stark reality of that cliffhanger is one of the most emotionally powerful moments in the whole show. Do you think it would have been anywhere near as powerful if it had come at the end of, say, Life Serial? The two compliment each other. Remember, light cannot exist without dark, but equally dark cannot exist without light.

Herein lies the problem with S6. Nothing good happens in the entire season. Look through it, there is not a single one. This does not actually make the season sadder, quite the opposite - it makes the season much less emotionally powerful. Drama is all about change, the power of a scene is not exclusive to that scene, it relies on it's context within the episode - ie. its difference to the previous scene. Drama is all about keeping people on their toes. It is the change in tone than is most powerful, not the tone itself. Actually, Lorne puts it best:

"It's like a song. Now, I can hold a note for a long time - actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music."

People say that S6 is good, because it’s a break from boring old “characters being happy all the time”, which is apparently so common on TV. I find this stance odd, to be honest. Yes, characters being happy all the time is boring, but the other extreme is just as bad – characters being sad all the time is equally boring. Good television is all about getting the balance there right. Simply, there needs to be both happy parts and sad parts to make each more emotionally resonant, and to stop the show becoming boring and tedious.

S6 is also really quite predictable. The sad moments are best when they come out of the blue – look at Joyce’s sudden death, or Angel unexpectedly losing his soul. These moments are best because they are unexpected – we don’t anticipate them, and moments, whether funny, sad, whatever, are so much better when we don’t anticipate them. However, after getting 2/3 of the way into S6, we simply expect bad things to happen. Take Hells Bells for example, you could see the failure of Anya and Xander’s wedding coming a mile off. It was obvious that they wouldn’t be happy, and so that entire episode is robbed of any emotional power whatsoever. It would’ve been much more surprising, and much more emotionally powerful, if Xander and Anya had actually gotten married. We wouldn’t have expected it and it would have made an excellent dramatic change of pace. But as it is, S6 remained predictable, boring, tedious, and above all, lacking in emotional power.

So yeah, that’s the difference between sad and depressing. That’s why I consider the first five seasons to be wonderful, harmonious melodies, while S6 is just noise.
 
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Taake
wow you just made me think how intense it would've been if they'd gotten married and then she'd died or something...
Sadness is great. The thing is, S6 isn't sad. It's depressing. There's a massive difference between the two.

Becoming is sad. The Body is sad. Lullaby is sad. Why are these episodes some of my favourites? Because sad is good when there is a balance. Seasons 1-5 are not happy fun times. They are very emotional, very hard on the characters. But good things still happened to the characters. We got a show that reflected real life - because real life is never like S6. It's never that relentlessly, exclusively depressing. There are always good things happening at the same time as bad things.

And just as the happy moments are made so much happier when they come after tough times, the sad moments become so much more emotionally powerful when they come after good times. Look at the last scene of I Was Made To Love You - the stark reality of that cliffhanger is one of the most emotionally powerful moments in the whole show. Do you think it would have been anywhere near as powerful if it had come at the end of, say, Life Serial? The two compliment each other. Remember, light cannot exist without dark, but equally dark cannot exist without light.

Herein lies the problem with S6. Nothing good happens in the entire season. Look through it, there is not a single one. This does not actually make the season sadder, quite the opposite - it makes the season much less emotionally powerful. Drama is all about change, the power of a scene is not exclusive to that scene, it relies on it's context within the episode - ie. its difference to the previous scene. Drama is all about keeping people on their toes. It is the change in tone than is most powerful, not the tone itself. Actually, Lorne puts it best:

"It's like a song. Now, I can hold a note for a long time - actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music."

People say that S6 is good, because it's a break from boring old "characters being happy all the time", which is apparently so common on TV. I find this stance odd, to be honest. Yes, characters being happy all the time is boring, but the other extreme is just as bad "“ characters being sad all the time is equally boring. Good television is all about getting the balance there right. Simply, there needs to be both happy parts and sad parts to make each more emotionally resonant, and to stop the show becoming boring and tedious.

S6 is also really quite predictable. The sad moments are best when they come out of the blue "“ look at Joyce's sudden death, or Angel unexpectedly losing his soul. These moments are best because they are unexpected "“ we don't anticipate them, and moments, whether funny, sad, whatever, are so much better when we don't anticipate them. However, after getting 2/3 of the way into S6, we simply expect bad things to happen. Take Hells Bells for example, you could see the failure of Anya and Xander's wedding coming a mile off. It was obvious that they wouldn't be happy, and so that entire episode is robbed of any emotional power whatsoever. It would've been much more surprising, and much more emotionally powerful, if Xander and Anya had actually gotten married. We wouldn't have expected it and it would have made an excellent dramatic change of pace. But as it is, S6 remained predictable, boring, tedious, and above all, lacking in emotional power.

So yeah, that's the difference between sad and depressing. That's why I consider the first five seasons to be wonderful, harmonious melodies, while S6 is just noise.


I agree about what your saying about Xander and Anya, however i disagree when you say that season 6 was nothing like real life.

I'd argue there are sustained moments during life where everything does indeed go wrong which is reflected in season 6.

Season 6 was different and unique and i liked the season because of that.

I'am not saying season 6 is my favourite season because it isn't. As a fan of the show though i still enjoyed it because like all of the other seasons it still contained characters i enjoyed seeing onscreen, it just depicted them in a new light, which for me was believeable considering the circumstances.
 
I agree about what your saying about Xander and Anya, however i disagree when you say that season 6 was nothing like real life.

I'd argue there are sustained moments during life where everything does indeed go wrong which is reflected in season 6.

Yes, there are sustained moments like that. But it is never like that the whole time. Not a single good thing happened to anyone the entire season. Life isn't like that, some days the bad heavily outweighs the good, but you never go an entire year without any good. I know, I used to think that there was no good in life. But I learned the hard way that there always is some good in life, just sometimes it's hidden in the bad.

I like shows that reflect that. S6 didn't, S6 told me that everything in life is bad and there is not one single, tiny bit of good. That is unrealistic.

Season 6 was different and unique and i liked the season because of that.

I liked it at first, it was unique for about 3 episodes, but when it just continued to retread the same "Buffy is depressedl" storyline throughout the entire season, it lost its uniqueness pretty quickly.
 
Then again, we have to keep in mind that the argument 'unrealistic' can only go so far. When you're torn out of heaven, there's bound to be a long period of "darkness" following considering nothing else can compare to ultimate peace.

I love the first three seasons; to me it's just classic Buffy. But I'm a fan of the entire show. There's not a season I don't like. Quite frankly, there's not really an episode I don't like... at least not enough to skip over during rewatches.

Season 6 is no where near my favorite season, but I don't hate it. It's got a lot of great episodes, IMO.
 
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Taake
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Then again, we have to keep in mind that the argument 'unrealistic' can only go so far. When you're torn out of heaven, there's bound to be a long period of "darkness" following considering nothing else can compare to ultimate peace.

I love the first three seasons; to me it's just classic Buffy. But I'm a fan of the entire show. There's not a season I don't like. Quite frankly, there's not really an episode I don't like... at least not enough to skip over during rewatches.

Season 6 is no where near my favorite season, but I don't hate it. It's got a lot of great episodes, IMO.

I agree. Me hating Spuffy is not enough to skip the whole season because of them, or even one episode because of their scenes. I'm firstly Buffy fan, everything else comes second.
 
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Sadness is great. The thing is, S6 isn't sad. It's depressing. There's a massive difference between the two.

Becoming is sad. The Body is sad. Lullaby is sad. Why are these episodes some of my favourites? Because sad is good when there is a balance. Seasons 1-5 are not happy fun times. They are very emotional, very hard on the characters. But good things still happened to the characters. We got a show that reflected real life - because real life is never like S6. It's never that relentlessly, exclusively depressing. There are always good things happening at the same time as bad things.

And just as the happy moments are made so much happier when they come after tough times, the sad moments become so much more emotionally powerful when they come after good times. Look at the last scene of I Was Made To Love You - the stark reality of that cliffhanger is one of the most emotionally powerful moments in the whole show. Do you think it would have been anywhere near as powerful if it had come at the end of, say, Life Serial? The two compliment each other. Remember, light cannot exist without dark, but equally dark cannot exist without light.

Herein lies the problem with S6. Nothing good happens in the entire season. Look through it, there is not a single one. This does not actually make the season sadder, quite the opposite - it makes the season much less emotionally powerful. Drama is all about change, the power of a scene is not exclusive to that scene, it relies on it's context within the episode - ie. its difference to the previous scene. Drama is all about keeping people on their toes. It is the change in tone than is most powerful, not the tone itself. Actually, Lorne puts it best:

"It's like a song. Now, I can hold a note for a long time - actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music."

People say that S6 is good, because it’s a break from boring old “characters being happy all the time”, which is apparently so common on TV. I find this stance odd, to be honest. Yes, characters being happy all the time is boring, but the other extreme is just as bad – characters being sad all the time is equally boring. Good television is all about getting the balance there right. Simply, there needs to be both happy parts and sad parts to make each more emotionally resonant, and to stop the show becoming boring and tedious.

S6 is also really quite predictable. The sad moments are best when they come out of the blue – look at Joyce’s sudden death, or Angel unexpectedly losing his soul. These moments are best because they are unexpected – we don’t anticipate them, and moments, whether funny, sad, whatever, are so much better when we don’t anticipate them. However, after getting 2/3 of the way into S6, we simply expect bad things to happen. Take Hells Bells for example, you could see the failure of Anya and Xander’s wedding coming a mile off. It was obvious that they wouldn’t be happy, and so that entire episode is robbed of any emotional power whatsoever. It would’ve been much more surprising, and much more emotionally powerful, if Xander and Anya had actually gotten married. We wouldn’t have expected it and it would have made an excellent dramatic change of pace. But as it is, S6 remained predictable, boring, tedious, and above all, lacking in emotional power.

So yeah, that’s the difference between sad and depressing. That’s why I consider the first five seasons to be wonderful, harmonious melodies, while S6 is just noise.

I completely disagree, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Spuffy fan. Maybe it's because I'm speaking on personal experience, but I believe there can be periods in your life where there is nothing good happening whatsoever. Life can be that depressing. No matter how hard you try and see the good, you can't because, sadly, there is nothing good happening at that point in your life. But, the light at the end of the tunnel is what makes you push on. That is what I saw by the end of season 6. Although all the characters went through dark and depressing times with not much good, they all became stronger by the end. They all knew that they were going through some hard times. But, by the end, they were able to see the light and fight for it.

Buffy realized she needed Dawn and her friends and shouldn't leave them in the dark. She also realized she couldn't keep using Spike. Willow realized the horrific consequences of her magical powers. Xander realized he could truly help the Scooby gang. Spike realized he had to fight for his soul to become a better man. I could go on. Even Tara! Before she died, she was able to forgive Willow for lying about using magic because she still loved her! I definitely didn't find that depressing, but one of the most emotional parts of the season.

And even if you're expecting bad things to happen, that doesn't make the season or any series for that matter less emotional and less dramatic. I never thought season 6 was predictable. Even if we saw that Xander and Anya's wedding would not happen, we didn't know how it was going to happen. And that is what made the emotions come through and the drama exist, at least for me.

Also, I actually really liked how we expected comedy from the trio, the supposed "villains" of the season, when we usually expect that comedy from the Scoobies. It was an interesting switch. "Timothy Dalton should win an Oscar and smash Sean Connery over the head with it!" 😀 And, I still crack up when Buffy gets drunk and watches Spike play kitten poker, lol! 🙂

So, those of only some of the reasons why season 6 is at least one of my favorite seasons. 🙂
 
I haven't read this thread in its entirety yet, but I am going to go ahead and share some of my thoughts. Its funny to me because on the whole it probably isn't one of my favorite seasons, but at the same time it contains episodes that are, I sincerely feel, some of the best episodes in the entire series. When I first saw it I very much enjoyed it.

I don't think its all dark and macabre, either. I mean, am I the only one that finds parts of the episode "Gone" to be absolutely hilarious? What about the scene in "Doublemeat Palace" where Buffy dashes into the lobby and starts flipping people's trays over and shouting warnings at confused patrons because she believes the secret ingredient in the meat to be human flesh? And not to mention, there is a freaking musical in this season! (Something which I initially found rather lame until I realized what great vocalists the contributing cast members really were, until the idea sort of grew on me.) Sure, a lot of the themes in the songs dealt with uncertainty and pain and shit, but personally I find "depressing" music and dark lyrical content to be uplifting in a strange way. Like, I feel it helps me to work through similar feelings if I happen to be going through them, and barring that its a great tool for introspection and retrospection; I may be able to recall past experiences via this medium and this makes it all very relatable and can even be insightful.

Besides, lines like "Life isn't bliss / life is just this: its living / you have to go on living" are positive so it wasn't all bad either. Funny how a person previously mentioned all this stuff about how life isn't always ALL BAD, but actually for some people in many parts of the world it is, and worse. This person was also going on about how S6 was so relentlessly tragic and how nothing good ever happens. I agree that S6 was overwhelmingly dismal, but I don't think it was dispiriting. The take home message I took out of it was something not unlike this following statement by frontman of Tool, Maynard James Keenan, when he said:

There's a lot of light at the end of the tunnel, but of course you have to make an effort to purge yourself through more of the muck to get to it.

And yes, it is entirely possible to have stuff go wrong and to be depressed for a year or more. This idea that Buffy's power is "rooted in darkness" was explored previously on the season premier of S5, and we saw Miss Summers crawl out of her grave for S6, for heaven's sake. I can see where people would have this impression that certain things that happened in S6 seemed a bit contrived, but I disagree with this notion put forth earlier that Willow turning evil (although I will concede that, in retrospect, her being suddenly hell-bent on world destruction does seem a bit hysterical...) was indicative of a lack of creativity on the part of the writers. If anything, it was a bit of a twist - albeit not a totally unexpected one - one which presented something different for the scoobies to deal with, as opposed to the usual Big Bad that makes itself known pretty early on. I don't know, I really like S6, a couple of the episodes really did kind of suck and it isn't very upbeat but it certainly has its place among the series in my opinion.
 
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Nice post!
I LOVE season 6, this season and season 7 tied my second favorite season. I love the story arc, Dark Willow, the magic, Spuffy, Tillow, Xanya, and The Trio. Also, I think most of the characters developed in this season because they had realistic problems and it shows that they made mistakes and they weren't perfect. I also like how Bargaining Part 1 & 2, where they ressurect Buffy.
 
I don't mind season 6. In fact, I rather like it. I personally don't think it's that dark and depressing, and the Spuffy sex scenes weren't that graphic. Having read people's opinions on the season before watching it, I was expecting a lot worse. Okay, the Spuffy sex on the balcony was just plain weird, and of course the AR wasn't enjoyable to watch, but I think season 6 contains some really good episodes, such as Life Serial Once More With Feeling and Hell's Bells. Personally, though, I do think Tabula Rasa is a bit overrated. I didn't mind Willow turning evil. I just didn't like Tara dying and Xander leaving Anya on their wedding day. Seriously, Xander and Anya belong together for ever and ever! Dander can go die in a hole :tongue3:

But yeah, overall, I like season 6. I have no idea where it ranks with the other seasons, though. I can't even choose a favourite one!
 
I liked OMWF ... but even that is starting to get old after the 10th rewatch.

I think the "People depressed, Geeks gone evil" theme had some promise, but I don't like the way it was executed.

1) Buffy's depression just gets too meandering after a while.
2) The Geeks are amusing but otherwise ridiculous as big bads.
3) Willow's magic/crack addiction the most blatant social angst metaphor of the entire series
4) Dawn is still very much annoying
5) Xanya - who cares? Got so tired of weddings and failed weddings.
6) Spuffy .. not sure what to make of it. I can see both sides of the debate. But the attempted rape scene was too much ... if he had tried that, the real Buffy would have staked him.


On the whole, Season 6 is my least favorite. Its one virtue is that, unlike the season that followed it, it was fairly coherent as a season.
 
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