What makes Gunn's character stand out?

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I know the first time I watched the show I was not a huge fan of him but after watching multiple times I have grown to like him more.
My question is what makes his character stand out? I wonder this because there are so many great characters in both shows and I sometimes feel he gets lost in the shuffle.
 
First thing that comes to mind is his street background, he is different to everyone else in that respect.
 
First thing that comes to mind is his street background, he is different to everyone else in that respect.

That is true he is very street smart. I think his fighting skills stick out. I say this over the other human type fighters. I think Gunn has more skills than Riley for example.
 
That is true he is very street smart. I think his fighting skills stick out. I say this over the other human type fighters. I think Gunn has more skills than Riley for example.

I'd agree his fighting skills are at a more advanced stage to Riley. This is probably because he has been fighting them since he was a little kid and so is more experienced.

He is tough aswell considering he continues to fight even though his lost friends and family.
 
I always felt he was very hardcore into 'the mission', fighting the good fight. Because of his background he was so 'get the job done' kind of, a 'to the end' kind of guy. It was his life simply put it.
I mean Angel had his Shanshu in sight, Cordy had the visions and well Wesley is a trained watcher so he's the closest to Gunn in that aspect of also being all about the fight, though Wes is more 'big picture' guy.

I just think he wasn't as easily derailed as the others potentially were. They had other things going and that was his thing.
 
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Gunns got more of an attitude hes not gonna just do what angel says he questions things if he doesnt agree. Hes just not as much of a follower as the rest especially in the beginning which I love him for
 
Prior to the W&H brain boost, I seriously doubt that Gunn had very much of a formal education, though Wes, Cordy, and certainly Fred would have been doing their best to remedy that situation, with direct tutoring and possibly self help courses from the library and the internet. As has been pointed out, he would have to become "street smart" at a very young age just in order to survive, protect his sister, and run a crew of vampire hunters. He's obviously a quite capable street fighter, though I don't see very much in the way of classical martial arts or boxing in his fighting style, and the same would go for his choice in weapons. The axe, while tremendously effective against an opponent who is vulnerable only to a wooden stake through the heart or decapitation, is, unlike a sword, not a weapon requiring much beyond strength, speed, and coordination to use effectively. Any sword capable of decapitation, i e a Japanese katana, a Chinese dao, or a European broadsword, saber, or cutlass, would require at least rudimentary training to use properly.

Basically, Charles Gunn could be described as a true survivalist, as opposed to those individuals whose definition of that term consists of stockpiling food, weapons, and ammunition in anticipation of the day when society goes down the toilet. Gunn is a person who actively survives, despite overwhelming odds, from day to day, now.
 
I've always loved Gunn. He's equal to Xander in that he's a very loveable character but he has a tendency to really grate my nerves at times, lol. They both are kind of opinionated in a way that seems rude sometimes.

I started loving Gunn when he did the scene in Wolfram & Hart where he tried to distract the people in the lobby. It was hilarious and I love a funny guy. From there, it just grew. I don't think I can really pin point why I like him so much.
 
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love that scene
I think what stands out with him for me is his sarcasm in dire situations(a bit like Lorne) and how he was so involved into the whole 'fight for good' part. He very rarely questionned the reason of doing it, he just did it because he knew that's what he was living for. That's why when he tells Fred that if he had a choice between that and her he'd pick her, that was a big proof of how much he cared for her. Because his 'job' is everything for him. Now i'm not sure he could have lived long without fightning the good fight but that never happened so... we'll never know.

Gunn the lawyer wasn't as interesting and I was glad at the end when he went back to his own self.

For those who compared him to Riley, I say WHAT??! I like Riley(unlike many) but Gunn just wasn't like that. He wasn't dependant on someone else, he was probably the strongest human in the verse(at least that WE saw). As with a lot of other characters, I wish that Gunn met the Scooby Gang, I think he'd have fit with some of them, most likely Buff ;P
 
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I compared him to Riley for the reason you said he was way stronger. I wanted to point out that he was one of the strongest human fighters which sticks out. I agree with what you said.
I personally am enjoying Gunn more now than ever before.

Unlike Spike and Angel, all of his evil was undone via time-travel. So Gunn's really struggling with whether he should feel guilty for all of the murder and torture, since technically he did do it, but all of his victims were made whole again.

I also found it interesting, if a bit forced, how pissed Gunn was when Connor named himself the leader of Angel Investigations when Angel's gone.

They do both have a point. Gunn is the senior member of the team, and former leader, but Connor is the "prince"...
 
I have always liked the character of Gunn. I like how he kept it "real" in a world full of people who were all either supernaturally gifted and/or super smart. 🙂 Gunn was relatable, much like Xander on BtVS and I tend to be drawn to characters like that.
 
Gunn loves getting his hands dirty, and he feels a kind of need to exact vengeance in one way or another for Alonna. But unlike Angel he's not atoning for past sins. He wasn't 'chosen' and doesn't have a duty to fight monsters. Unlike Geo, he's not in it for bloodlust. He has a very selfless reason for fighting the good fight (a commitment to his community and to defending those who need help), and I think that makes him a hero in a way that few other Buffyverse characters are. In other words, at no time does he even blink from 'the mission', even in selfless recognition of how AI underutilises his talents. The only time he really considers anything from a selfish perspective, it of course backfires terribly on him, and he atones for it big-time. But until W&H he fights the good fight with an inspiring purity of intent. That's what I think I love most about him.
 
I know the first time I watched the show I was not a huge fan of him but after watching multiple times I have grown to like him more.
My question is what makes his character stand out? I wonder this because there are so many great characters in both shows and I sometimes feel he gets lost in the shuffle.

What makes Gunn stand out? That he's unnaturally sophisticated considering his background, for one. (See Buffyverse Fan's thread0

Personally, I love how brave and dedicated Gunn is. I also love how knowing Angel made him reevaluate his views on vampires. He learned to see the gray area. I loved him as a vampire hunter. I did not like his role AT ALL in Season 5. That said, he's not one of my favorite characters. He was the "token black guy" that every show needs to stay PC. It bothers me that Joss couldn't have done better than that, and that Gunn could never really get past that.

Yet, in the end, it's questionable if Gunn should have trusted Angel at all. After all, he was responsible for Gunn's death, wasn't he? In the end? If I'm not mistaken, Gunn still resents him for not saving him that night in NFA.

Gunn does get lost into the shuffle, because he's both completely ordinary and completely extrodinary. He's not supernatural in any way, yet he's obviously part of the crowd of individuals who was aware of what was going on and took action in stopping it. He's certainly a hero in his own way. My issue is not with how the actor acted the role, it was with how the character was written, really.
 
What makes Gunn stand out? That he's unnaturally sophisticated considering his background, for one. (See Buffyverse Fan's thread0

Personally, I love how brave and dedicated Gunn is. I also love how knowing Angel made him reevaluate his views on vampires. He learned to see the gray area. I loved him as a vampire hunter. I did not like his role AT ALL in Season 5. That said, he's not one of my favorite characters. He was the "token black guy" that every show needs to stay PC. It bothers me that Joss couldn't have done better than that, and that Gunn could never really get past that.

Yet, in the end, it's questionable if Gunn should have trusted Angel at all. After all, he was responsible for Gunn's death, wasn't he? In the end? If I'm not mistaken, Gunn still resents him for not saving him that night in NFA.

Gunn does get lost into the shuffle, because he's both completely ordinary and completely extrodinary.

Joan I do agree I liked that he saw Angel differently. First instinct for someone with his background is to think that vampires are evil but over time he saw that like you said it is all not black and white. I enjoyed seeing that.
I havent read the comics so I cant say to much on the Angel being responsible.
 
I havent read the comics so I cant say to much on the Angel being responsible.


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Well, I was mostly referring to what happened in NFA.

From what I read in ATF, Gunn expressed resentment that Angel hadn't tried harder to save him. As a result of Gunn's injuries during that last battle, he was turned into a vampire.

Lately, it's becoming easier to blame Angel for basically everything because I despise him so passionately. But Gunn should have never been in that fight. He was only human and not strong enough. Think it's a coincedence that only the demons survived? Spike, Angel, Illyria...Gunn was collateral damage. Only they were strong enough to survive. Angel knew that. He had every intention of winning that battle with Spike and Illyria. Angel should have known Gunn couldn't make it. He should have asked Gunn not to fight, in my opinion.
 
SPOILERS FOR ATF **********************

Well, I was mostly referring to what happened in NFA.

From what I read in ATF, Gunn expressed resentment that Angel hadn't tried harder to save him. As a result of Gunn's injuries during that last battle, he was turned into a vampire.

Lately, it's becoming easier to blame Angel for basically everything because I despise him so passionately. But Gunn should have never been in that fight. He was only human and not strong enough. Think it's a coincedence that only the demons survived? Spike, Angel, Illyria...Gunn was collateral damage. Only they were strong enough to survive. Angel knew that. He had every intention of winning that battle with Spike and Illyria. Angel should have known Gunn couldn't make it. He should have asked Gunn not to fight, in my opinion.

Oh okay I see what you are saying now. I need to read the comics. I do see that point to be mad because it did seem like a battle that the humans would not survive. Wesley was killed and Gunn looked like he was going to die, Connor I wouldn't really consider human since he has so much strength.
I do wish that Gunn would have sat out and Wesley for that case but since it was the last season i didn't mind to much. I thought they did everything well, that was because I had not kept up with the comics.
 
He should have asked Gunn not to fight, in my opinion.

HOW could Angel ask Gunn to stay out of what they all had been fightning for over the years??? He had the right to be there, and no way Angel would ever dare stop Gunn from being part of this!
 
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I liked Gunn when he first came on the scene cause he was from the street which is something i could relate too myself. And also wasn't shown on Buffy/Angel before him...he wasn't the most developed character at times IMO! But the quality i liked best in Gunn was he was going to fight the fight without no fear to die or whatever, and thats definitely a street attribute because you face death countless times..So shout out to Gunn who doesn't always get the credit he deserves!! This Bud's for You 😛
 
The only reason most people don't get Gunn is because the writers never fleshed out his character. I get the sense that the writers intended him to be a one-off character for the end of season one. Otherwise, they probably would have given his story more meat and nuance.

But I like Gunn. At first I liked him by default--because I'm black and he was the only black guy on one of my favorite TV shows--but rewatching Angel on DVD has made me appreciate him more as a character than as a token. I really loved his interactions with Angel, Wesley, and Cordelia, and a bit with Lorne, but I hate how the family splintered when they added Fred and then Connor to the show. It seemed like the further apart the character grew, the more Gunn faded into the background.
 
Lately, it's becoming easier to blame Angel for basically everything because I despise him so passionately. But Gunn should have never been in that fight. He was only human and not strong enough. Think it's a coincedence that only the demons survived? Spike, Angel, Illyria...Gunn was collateral damage. Only they were strong enough to survive. Angel knew that. He had every intention of winning that battle with Spike and Illyria. Angel should have known Gunn couldn't make it. He should have asked Gunn not to fight, in my opinion.


If you believe that Charles should not have been in that last fight, then you might as well say the same about Wesley being in the fight that led to his death.

And again, why was Charles called by his surname Gunn, in compare to the other characters?



That is true he is very street smart. I think his fighting skills stick out. I say this over the other human type fighters. I think Gunn has more skills than Riley for example.


I don't see any real proof that Charles was a better fighter than Riley . . . or if Riley was a better fighter. But Charles was more than just "street smart". He was a very intelligent man. I DO get tired of people referring to him as simply "street smart" and nothing else. Is that how most people from lower-class neighborhoods are regarded?
 
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