what really pisses me off about this place...

Jacklyn said:
So, all of you who've said they agree in this thread, I would expect less one worded answers from now on.
OK, I agree.(HEHEHEHEHEHEHE🙂😉)




But seriously,
See what you did Faldor? You started an intelligent discussion thread...some good points made, arguments supported etc etc. I liked it. Keep up the good work and never lose that endearing Meldrew quality that makes us love you 😉 (in a strictly platonic, admiring way you understand 😛)

Any non-Brits who don't know who Victor Meldrew is should look up "One foot in the grave" on the BBC Comedy site btw - I'd post a link but it's way past my bedtime...

Faith said:
Yup, we can't win we suck if we do and we suck if we don't.
Could be worse, we could both suck and blow🙂

(Apologies to The Simpsons for nicking one of their best gags 😉)
 
Ummm, I neither agree nor disagree on this point. People have their own ways of posting, some like to agree, others like to say what's on their mind or add creative critism on different subjects. So here are a few of my thoughts on what has been posted already:

Hero- I'm with you brother, not all guys are evil, in fact a good fifty percent of guys out there are good guys. I just think alot of the problem is that alot of good girls are attracted to the bad boy types who really ARE jerks and that's where the pre-conceived notion that all men are evil comes from. Ladies, if you were looking in the right places, you'd find some nice guys. And I have met some girls who are far worse than any guy could be, because although guys can be cruel, there are some girls out there who actually WANT to be cruel. Alright, enough of my rant on the ladies.

Magui- Faldor doesn't complain that much I think he's cool. Plus I saw a picture of him once and he's a giant floating head, how cool is that?

OneeyedXander- Yeah, being new sucks. It took me forever to start fitting in around, but after about three months I actually started to be involved in all kinds of board and people actually knew who I was. Give it time, you'll start mesh.
 
We seem to have entered the serious advice-giving phase of the thread. (sits here smiling, because he's been waiting for it).

I'd like to take this opportunity to boast I can solve every problem that's been mentioned on this thread with one simple sentence. "Support your arguement".

If you agree with something, say why. If you disagree it isn't enough to tell someone he or she are wrong and present the statement as if it's correct because you just said it, and therefore came straight from God. Tell them what makes your arguement better. Post your references.

This is such a basic debater's and essay writer's tool, it shocks me it's never mentioned. Supporting your arguement leads to something called intelligent conversation.

Supporting your arguement has spin-off effects. Watch I'll show you what I mean. I said earlier it could solve all the problems previously mentioned.

I have to support this by bringing up One-Eyed Xander's concern a draconian banning of all bashing threads could create intolerance for intelligent critiicism as well as the brainless stuff. (One-Eyed Xander is now officially drawn into the conversation. See what I mean. Welcome Noob.)

OEX has a valid concern. The kind of thing he suggests could happen, does happen. The first example that jumps into mind is George Bush using 9/11 as an excuse to quash people's right to privacy. Now people in his cabinet are suggesting stuff like the government should know what Mp3s are in your private collection.

Excessive rule-making can create more problems than it solves, so don't do that. Here's the solution. Support your arguement.

If you're going to tell me you don't like pennies, tell me why.

If I say Jordan Levin is a dick (and he is), that's brainless bashing, but if I say Jordan levin has done some things that are, wrong, tell you what they are, and what makes them evil, no-one can say I've done anything except offer intelligent criticism. They can disagree with me of course. If they do they should support their arguement. It won't bother me, but it will lead to a 3 page debate.

This leave's me with Rene's observation that threads such as "What BB member would you invite to your birthday party?", are exclusive, and lead to the formation of cliques. She's right of course, but how can supporting your arguement solve that one?

If I make a comment like, "I want Spangel'sFantasy to come to my birthday party", it's only supportable by the fact I like Spangel's Fantasy. It implies I like Spangel'sFantasy at the expense of say Spuffy'sRevenge. This is a bad, and unacceptable arguement on a message board, because it leads to the formation of cliques. It can be dealt with as such under a "Support your arguement" regime. Everything has to have a reason, and that reason must be supportable.

I remember another one of those BB members threads that in my mind was acceptable. It had to do with casting BB members in BTVS parts. In that case it started off fine. People were suggesting all manner of BB members; noobs, and vets for parts and explaining why that person would be good for the part. Eventually though, it degenerated into a popularity contest. People were picking members, and not saying why. Do you see where I'm going? As long as choices were supported with explanations, intelligence was in the mix, and everything was friendly.

So there you have it; my solution to all your problems - support your arguement. SYA.
 
Amen brother! And I am supporting my statement by the fact that doing as you suggest will in my opinion cut down on a lot of the crap.
 
Ok, I agree that some people just post "I agree" to make more posts but there are some threads where small answers are all that's needed.

As for feeling excluded. Some people are closer and talk more. It's natural. You can't expect everyone to be bestest friends with everyone. And of course newbies get ignored sometimes, people have to get used to them first. You have to give people a reason to like you and talk to you. I mean, it would be too exhausting trying to talk to everyone all the time.

I know I felt that way when I first came here but after a while people started to except me and talk to me. There are a lot of people on this board, you just have to get someone's attention.
 
I understand the frustration felt by so many people, as I too feel that way sometimes. I don't like to have to sift through a bunch of crap to find the posts that are worth reading... being intelligent, thoughtful and aware posts. However, I'm sure that I myself have on occasion been guilty of being the author of some of thoes pointless posts.

I think that we've got a great bunch of solutions here, and taken together, and even better one: Pay attention and be aware of what the posts are about and WHY you are posting (Faldor), and try to be PROACTIVE in your actions('Gasm), and SUPPORT thoes coments that need support with intelligent pieces of information (nerd4hire)... I'm big on this one, if you're going to the trouble of making and assertion in the first place, be willing to back it up or it's not worth much.

Also though, I do have to say that not all posts need be serious and fully thought through... But most of us are observent and perceptive enough to know which threads thoes are... Behold the game forum.

And regarding the newbies feeling neglected, or at least not fully noticed. I think that Puppet Princess is on the right track here. It just takes time before relationships can be cultivated and friendships made... This is not to say that the neglect or dissmisal of new members is alright, just that it's not always as clear cut as that.

I think about it this way One Eyed Xander, if it didn't take time for me to have the relationships and friendships I have here, I don't think that I would value them as much. Things are only worth as much as you invest into them.

~Kindred
 
nerd4hire said:
So there you have it; my solution to all your problems - support your arguement. SYA.

I'd like to thank N4H and whoever suggested "active listening" (sorry, my frickin' dial up is so bloody slow I can't even find my last bloody post on this thread, let alone the one who said this). They've both summed up what I tried to say in a way that makes me sound like a cavemanish (ok, dwarvish) dolt🙂. SYA and "active listening" will lead to much intelligent discussion...bring it on! If you have something to say, back it up...if you want to get meatier, ask a clarification question...and watch N4H and the mods...they do these things all the time...
 
The other plea I'd like to make is to not post stuff jsut to post stuff - it just floods the board with useless junk that as Kindred said you have to sift through to find anything meaningful. And I know its off putting to a lot of people, including me.

Post things because you want to talk about them, not because you want the world record in starting new threads.

🙂
 
i think this would be the right place in the thread to give me proverbial middle finger to everyone who gave a "quite your moaning, if you don't like it leave" type responce a the start!

this is the reason why i dont just bugger off to some other buffy forum. because unlike most forums full of people sitting around thinking up what shippers they are theres this below the surface. sometimes you gotta scratch at the surface to get at it 🙂

but saying that you are of course a loud of tossers! espcally that pointy ::evil2::

this ofcourse does not include Guestage_87 who seems to be my biggest fan 😀
 
Faldor said:
but saying that you are of course a loud of tossers! espcally that pointy ::evil2::
ROFL - Faldor, you're a bad, bad man - picking on a harmless old gent like that 😉
 
Kindred said:
I think about it this way One Eyed Xander, if it didn't take time for me to have the relationships and friendships I have here, I don't think that I would value them as much. Things are only worth as much as you invest into them.

~Kindred

As nice as it would be to be loved by everyone, I also realise the importance of "erned" friendship. I never asked to be instant best friends with anyone, im just saying that in a board that has an award for making people feel at home...


look i dont want to sound mean. frankly all my dreams have been granted by this thread and all the wonderful responces
 
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