What You Don't Like

Actually, I'm not really a fan of IWRY. *GASP*

Why? Because I dislike seeing non-fluffy characters, a.k.a. Buffy and Angel, turn into cotton candy. 😀 They totally ditched their work, their responsibilities, their EVERYTHING and only for each other. Now, I know that sounds romantic, but I'm not a fan of it because I don't like the idea that they have to get rid of their entire lives to fit each other into them. It's like, each other or nothing. I'd like to see them as partners, not previous heroes who give up everything for love and romance. It completely goes on against the show's mission statement. 😀
 
I'm glad that Angel finaly stand up for him in Sanctuary, even I felt bad for Buffy. Well one part of me did, part of me that loves Buffy no matter what. I just don't like that cruel Bangel fights.

About IWRY, well we discused that thousand times. I love that episode. Probably because it's so Disney like with Whedon ending, not happy one. But it's full of emotions and pain. I like when I feel the episode. When I feel everything it represents.
 
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Wishing Oceans said:
Actually, I'm not really a fan of IWRY. *GASP*

Why? Because I dislike seeing non-fluffy characters, a.k.a. Buffy and Angel, turn into cotton candy. 😀 They totally ditched their work, their responsibilities, their EVERYTHING and only for each other. Now, I know that sounds romantic, but I'm not a fan of it because I don't like the idea that they have to get rid of their entire lives to fit each other into them. It's like, each other or nothing. I'd like to see them as partners, not previous heroes who give up everything for love and romance. It completely goes on against the show's mission statement. 😀
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They had had less than 24 hours where they actually could enjoy being a couple and being in love, and do so freely. That was the first time they could actually do that in the entirity of their three year relationship. Whether you are a superhero, a neuro surgeon or a school teacher, everyone deserves the right to be able to indulge in the things and people you love from time to time. It doesn't mean you have turned your back on anything.

Also, I would view IWRY as being the prime example of how committed Angel and Buffy are to their respective causes and not how they abandoned them. Once Angel realised that he was a hinderance to Buffy and the cause he sought a way to fix it. They fact that the price that he and Buffy had to pay to ensure that they continued to fight the good fight is testament to their commitment to it.
 
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I don't really like the way he acts when he's leaving. I get that he has to leave and I love that he gets his own show. But I always disliked the way that he does treat Buffy like she's just a little school girl who hasn't thought about all the things his mature mind can grasp. He puts it in a way that he's leaving cause - he thinks it's best for her...
I'd have no problem if he was just like - yeah this is best for us, or for me or whatever but the whole "this is the best for you because I say so" that always gets under my skin.
 
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IMO, no matter what Angel says at that point, Buffy would still cry and get sad. He is the love of her life. Angel tries to make this easy but he can't.
What first come to mind for me about them is the interaction in season 1, I really disliked it. Also this doesn't concern both of them really, but Buffy jealousy of Faith was getting on my nerves(even though you know who is my fav character haha!) in season 3. Did Angel had done anything ever since he met her that could lead to doubts? I mean oh my god, I felt like yelling 'WAKE UP BUFF, THAT GUY ONLY SEE YOU'. It just got me so annoyed =P
 
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I hate that he leaves. Seriously, Angel? You're 240 years old, and you can't think of creative ways around the "no sex" problem? I know, it also had to do with sunshine and children (which Buffy will never have - Slayer! Busy!). But I hate when one half a relationship, usually the guy in fiction, takes it upon themselves to decide what's best for the other person (see: Clark Kent in multiple incarnations, others I can't think of at the moment, but they're out there). Why does Angel get to decide what's best for Buffy? Doesn't she have the right to choose for herself?
 
Ummm...I have to say sth. Everytime I hear about the "no sex" thing and "other ways" you have to keep in mind that those other ways might also make Angel happy...sex isn't necessarily the thing that it makes him happy. It was a very special night in Surpise...for the first time in their lives they both felt truly loved and happy.

Even if he...doesn't go all the way:embarrassed: you can never say what makes him happy exactly...
 
There's nothing that's not to like about Bangel. They're perfect, forever love. They're the stuff great stories are made of. After all this time, they still love each other. They're still in each others' dreams. They're fated to be together; two heroes meant to compliment each other in the war of life ahead. Whatever is happening now will be explained. Whatever has happened in the past will be redeemed. Love will find a way.

(4 days to go...)
 
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There's nothing that's not to like about Bangel. They're perfect, forever love. They're the stuff great stories are made of. After all this time, they still love each other. They're still in each others' dreams. They're fated to be together; two heroes meant to compliment each other in the war of life ahead. Whatever is happening now will be explained. Whatever has happened in the past will be redeemed. Love will find a way.

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Hahahaha they're the stuffing in the Teddy Bear of Love!! :giggle:

Hehe. But anyway, um, what I don't like about Bangel...

Well, to be totally honest with you guys, the whole "forever" thing REALLY freaks me out. 😀 It sounds so diabolical, like they're locking each other up FOREVER, no escaping. Like in IOHEFY: "Love is forever." Gahh, creepy... :biggrin3:
 
"Forever love" doesn't mean that they are gonna be locked in a cage being FORCED to love one another. They loved each other because they couldn't help it. It was beyond their power and will. And they stayed in love because they found out they completed each other perfectly in every way.

They have every right to move on, away from each other, if they feel that they need to grow up as personalities. They did grow. And they still love each other.
 
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"Forever love" doesn't mean that they are gonna be locked in a cage being FORCED to love one another. They loved each other because they couldn't help it. It was beyond their power and will. And they stayed in love because they found out they completed each other perfectly in every way.

They have every right to move on, away from each other, if they feel that they need to grow up as personalities. They did grow. And they still love each other.
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Still, the idea of "forever love" and being without control always gives me "the wiggins", it seems so sinister to me... :biggrin3: I dunno. Maybe I just don't like commitment. 😀

And it's not as though it's just this couple, it's ANY couple. ALL couples. The phrase "forever love" or forever anything really just... No, for me. :tongue3:
 
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Still, the idea of "forever love" and being without control always gives me "the wiggins", it seems so sinister to me... :biggrin3: I dunno. Maybe I just don't like commitment. 😀

And it's not as though it's just this couple, it's ANY couple. ALL couples. The phrase "forever love" or forever anything really just... No, for me. :tongue3:
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If you love someone, and I mean out of your mind, arse backwards, head over heels, your hurt, I hurt, love someone, well...forever just doesn't seem like enough time.

Anyway, at your age I should hope you don't like commitment! 😛
 
Kean said:
If you love someone, and I mean out of your mind, arse backwards, head over heels, your hurt, I hurt, love someone, well...forever just doesn't seem like enough time.

Anyway, at your age I should hope you don't like commitment! 😛
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I suppose so, Sha (that's my new nickname for you, one that I will probably use a total of one times. (sw) ). 😀

One thing that sometimes makes me a bit uncomfortable when watching is when one of them commands the other to do something. Like, in Surprise when Angel says to Buffy "Can I- Let me see." It's not actually a big deal, at all, it's just something that bothers me about MANY couples. 🙂
 
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I suppose so, Sha (that's my new nickname for you, one that I will probably use a total of one times. (sw) ). 😀

One thing that sometimes makes me a bit uncomfortable when watching is when one of them commands the other to do something. Like, in Surprise when Angel says to Buffy "Can I- Let me see." It's not actually a big deal, at all, it's just something that bothers me about MANY couples. 🙂
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Sha?????

I actually like that assertiveness that they have over one another. When you are that emotionally tied to some, especially as a couple, you get a say or at least feel you have a say in their lives. If I thought the person I loved was hurt and they wouldn't show me where or who hurt them you can be damn sure I would demand to see the what or who had hurted my person! lol

Although, I am also incredibly bossy and possessive 😛
 
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Sha?????

I actually like that assertiveness that they have over one another. When you are that emotionally tied to some, especially as a couple, you get a say or at least feel you have a say in their lives. If I thought the person I loved was hurt and they wouldn't show me where or who hurt them you can be damn sure I would demand to see the what or who had hurted my person! lol

Although, I am also incredibly bossy and possessive 😛
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Lol, 'cause I'm pretty sure that your REAL name is pronounced Shih-Naid, so I turned the "Shih" into Sha, and... Yeah. 😀 (But I'm probably SO wrong about that, irish names are a lot harder to pronounce than I thought. (sw) )

And yes, I also think that the commanding thing is more OK considering their personalities and who they are, but I'm always super touchy when it comes to telling people what to do in a relationship. 🙂 And, as I said, it's not just this relationship, the same thing happens to me with more or less every 'ship that I love. 😀 Mostly because I've read many essays about teen couples, the difference between controlling and curiosity, and asking people what they'd like, not assuming. I mean, I'm sure that if I was in a relationship at the moment I'd probably feel differently, but as it is, I have my cautious boots on. 😀 But I dunno, like, I'm a REALLY easy person to boss around (although I'm getting tougher, slowly yet surely 😉 ), which I hate, so in not-my-life instances I'm always extremely sensitive to people being bossed around, especially females. 🙂

As you said, if someone was a friend then I wouldn't care, my best friend is one of the most bossy people ever and I LOVE it, I like people with control. (sw) And so I'm cool with assertiveness when it comes to friendship, because part of being friends with someone is knowing, really knowing that they care about you and want the best for you. 🙂 But when it comes to significant others, no WAY would I let them boss me around. 😛 It's probably double standards, but I hold friendship and couple..ship to different expectations. 😀
 
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Lol, 'cause I'm pretty sure that your REAL name is pronounced Shih-Naid, so I turned the "Shih" into Sha, and... Yeah. 😀 (But I'm probably SO wrong about that, irish names are a lot harder to pronounce than I thought. (sw) )
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That's actually pretty much it. 🙂 Call me Kean though, I'm not crazy about my real name being used on the boards 😉

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And yes, I also think that the commanding thing is more OK considering their personalities and who they are, but I'm always super touchy when it comes to telling people what to do in a relationship. 🙂 And, as I said, it's not just this relationship, the same thing happens to me with more or less every 'ship that I love. 😀

As you said, if someone was a friend then I wouldn't care, my best friend is one of the most bossy people ever and I LOVE it, I like people with control. (sw) And so I'm cool with assertiveness when it comes to friendship, because part of being friends with someone is knowing, really knowing that they care about you and want the best for you. 🙂 But when it comes to significant others, no WAY would I let them boss me around. 😛 It's probably double standards, but I hold friendship and couple..ship to different expectations. 😀
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Well if he was telling what to wear or who to hang out with or something like that I would take issue with it but in this instance he was just assuring himself that she was ok. I always got the impression that he needed to know she was alright rather him desiring for her to do as he told her, which really wasn't the case at all.

How you described your stance with a friend having sway over you is how I believe Buffy and Angel felt about each other, also I think it shows how much they trusted each other too. There are about 3 people on the planet that I would indulge a demand such as Angel's in this scene. Those three people are my dearest friends and family.
 
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That's actually pretty much it. 🙂 Call me Kean though, I'm not crazy about my real name being used on the boards 😉
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Of course. 🙂 (Although, I'm not quite sure why you and Lyri are so secretive, you both have beautiful names. 🙂 But, then again, internet safety... *Sighs* )

Well if he was telling what to wear or who to hang out with or something like that I would take issue with it but in this instance he was just assuring himself that she was ok. I always got the impression that he needed to know she was alright rather him desiring for her to do as he told her, which really wasn't the case at all.
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Yup, which is why I don't have a problem with it, I just wish that he could have added a simple "may I?" or "please?" 🙂

How you described your stance with a friend having sway over you is how I believe Buffy and Angel felt about each other, also I think it shows how much they trusted each other too. There are about 3 people on the planet that I would indulge a demand such as Angel's in this scene. Those three people are my dearest friends and family.
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True, maybe that's it. To be honest, I never really considered them to be friends, but now that I think about it... They did have a strong bond of trust, companionship, and unconditional love. They weren't "best pals" or something like that, but they did care about each other and want the best for each other in a way that's so similar to friendship that I'm starting to reconsider that "never friends" thing. (sw)

You know Kean, you should start a Talk Show or something, you're so inspiring... :wink2:
 
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But, then again, internet safety... *Sighs* )
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Wishing Oceans said:
Yup, which is why I don't have a problem with it, I just wish that he could have added a simple "may I?" or "please?" 🙂
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Any other situation I am fairly positive it would have been a request rather than a deamand but it was an emotionally hightened situation. In a night he had nearly left, she had plunged into the ocean and the Judge had been raised. I think being polite had been passed about 5 exits ago 😉



Wishing Oceans said:
True, maybe that's it. To be honest, I never really considered them to be friends, but now that I think about it... They did have a strong bond of trust, companionship, and unconditional love. They weren't "best pals" or something like that, but they did care about each other and want the best for each other in a way that's so similar to friendship that I'm starting to reconsider that "never friends" thing. (sw)
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See!! This is what I have been saying for YEARS! lol

FINALLY!

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