Who is Your inspiration?

[Wicked]

Are you by any chance a musician Rob? or maybe just wanna be? 🙂

 

[BillieHunter]

no shit, someone should inform the American government, they didn't get the memo..

No shit is right. I hate Bush with a passion. Still doesn't make Hitler any better of a role model...

 

[The Arcane]

Are you by any chance a musician Rob? or maybe just wanna be? 🙂

Little bit of both. I used to sing in a band at college but we didn't really put the effort in to make it in any way successful. I live for music though and despite my life not really letting me follow my dreams i've always wanted to have a career in the music business. The people i mentioned above are all big heroes of mine, the first five in particular.

Definitely more wannabe than gonnabe these days though! 😉

 

[Wicked]

Thats cool. I have no musical talent whatsoever so I have to rely on my boyfriend to become the rockstar (he plays guitar) and make me rich and famous 🙂

 

[BillieHunter]

I take inspiration in his ambition.

No. What he saw was a better world. How to get there was sick and twisted.

I understand that inspiration in ambiton, what I don't understand is why Hitler. Plenty of peopel have had ambition and vision. I just don;t understand how you could look up to him as a person. And I probably never will. So I'm going to stop trying to.

But anyway...I realized I got all worked up and never said anything about my inspiration. I have so many people who inspire me from my trainer to Claude Thompson..who is often referred to as the person who made the Appaloosa one of America's classic breeds...to Sarah Richards...an amazing equestrain artist whos talent I only wish I had..
Of course all my inspirations are people in the equestrian field...

 

[eponinethen]

Had it not been for Stalin, there is a good chance Hitler would have succeeded. And Stalin was easily as 'evil' as Hitler, if not more so.

If being responsible for many people's death is being "evil", then sure yes, Stalin was more evil. I don't believe in evil anyways, which is why I agree with this:

Hitler was trying to make a better world. Also, antisemitism was rife throughout Europe in that time period. I'm sure had he been French he would have used the same tactic to rise to power, and it more than likely would have worked. Hitler didn't instigate hatred of Jews, he just latched onto it. He used it to his advantage. Ultimately, Hitler learned from the twisted world around him. That people lay the blame solely at his feet is just bullshit.

I fear I would have been a nazi if I lived during this time.. It was obviously really common to have these thoughts/opinions back then, and Hitler was far from the only person responsible.. and that had little to do with people being too scared to not follow orders.

Anyways, this is all too interesting/creepy to me and I've had people misunderstanding my posts before.. on this subject.. (That's how my friendship with Frenchy Faith started 😀 ) So I'm not going into it, and I would still agree with the people who have said there are better examples of people who have been the kind of inspiration you're talking about...

Aanyways, I forgot to mention Anna Jörgensdotter! A Swedish author who was a great inspiration to me a few years back when I was writing this book and stuff... Her language is great and helped me figure out how I wanted to write and stuff.. she's cool..

 

[polexia]

Sure Hitler has a vision, he had ambition, he had a dream of a better world.. but for who? it sure wasn't for everyone. it was for the selected few.. the once who measured up. Many people have had ambitions, many people have had visions... some even live it, act it out and make their dreams come true, but that doesn't ness. make it a good thing.

There are so many people to admire. Hitler, Stalin etc etc etc shouldn't be one of them. sure you can admire ambition, or admire drive, but to admire a certain persons drive.. And when that drive/dream/ambition have killed so many people then...

How about Martin Luther king? Sure if Hitler had a better ambition (then a "better world") he might have been able to do some good"¦. But he didn't"¦ he really really didn't. and there are people alive to day, who suffered under his drive for power and a "better world"

Oh and to FIVERs: propaganda comment"¦ do you believe holocaust was propaganda too?


I think that some people-i.e. not everyone who say it and not saying Fiver. but some people say that they admire Hitler cause they want the attention, the comments from others. Maybe stir things up

Also, personally, I just have so strong feelings about the ww2"¦ I think it's so blasted wrong to list Hitler for personal inspiration.. I don't care if it's his drive, ambition or goal oriented ness you list as attributes.. I think its awful"¦ 1. many people died"¦ many people died horrible deaths 2.there are so many other people to choose from"¦. People who have achieved GREAT things. But if you admire Hitler then you admire Hitler"¦.



I forgot to list another personal inspiration"¦. Dorothy parker. Sure she was depressed; she tried to kill herself like 3 times, but what a poet! I think her poetry is so amazing; she really had a great talent.

Nils Christie: a Norwegian criminologist, he as such an insight, such an understanding of other people. I really admire that. I admire that he can look beyond, he can look deeper into things and he can understand things

I write a lot (poetry) and I tend to admire poets, song writers etc. and there are some really great song writers out there. I admire people who have that gift, or are able to but emotions and experiences into perfect wording. Poems/songs that just nail it!(e.g. rilo kiley: better son/daughter.. that's one good song)

My lil sis and lil bro. strong people. Good people. :flower2: :love2:

 

[eponinethen]

Also, personally, I just have so strong feelings about the ww2"¦

I think most people do, in one way or another. (Not everyone of course, but most people, even some who have no connection what so ever to anyone who was actually in any way part of what happened.) Which is why it is still difficult to discuss/talk about in a "normal" way. I'm not saying we should take it less seriously, definitely not, just saying people tend to react strongly as soon as you mention anything having to do with this.. and yeah.. I'm going nowhere apparently with this.. Just.. yeah..

 

[Schillaci]

I understand that inspiration in ambiton, what I don't understand is why Hitler. Plenty of peopel have had ambition and vision.

I think he is misunderstood.:raisedeye

I just don;t understand how you could look up to him as a person. And I probably never will. So I'm going to stop trying to.

No proof has ever been found of Hitler physically killing another human being. 😉 As a person I have read reports that he was a gentleman. Doesn't seem too bad a bloke!
So answer me this question. If I tell you to jump off a bridge, and you jump off and die!
Is it my fault for telling you to, or your fault for being stupid?

I fear I would have been a nazi if I lived during this time..

AHAHA Jew hater! 😉

It was obviously really common to have these thoughts/opinions back then, and Hitler was far from the only person responsible.. and that had little to do with people being too scared to not follow orders.

He gave people meaning, purpose.

Anyways, this is all too interesting/creepy to me and I've had people misunderstanding my posts before.. on this subject.. (That's how my friendship with Frenchy Faith started 😀 ) So I'm not going into it, and I would still agree with the people who have said there are better examples of people who have been the kind of inspiration you're talking about...

Napolean? Alexander the great?

Sure Hitler has a vision, he had ambition, he had a dream of a better world.. but for who? it sure wasn't for everyone. it was for the selected few..

Haha, sounds like America.

There are so many people to admire. Hitler, Stalin etc etc etc shouldn't be one of them. sure you can admire ambition, or admire drive, but to admire a certain persons drive.. And when that drive/dream/ambition have killed so many people then...

How about Martin Luther king? Sure if Hitler had a better ambition (then a "better world") he might have been able to do some good"¦. But he didn't"¦ he really really didn't. and there are people alive to day, who suffered under his drive for power and a "better world"

Mandella is regarded as a modern hero, or rolemodel, or whatever. Yet he used terrorist tactics and killed people. Should I look to him for my inspiration?

Oh and to FIVERs: propaganda comment"¦ do you believe holocaust was propaganda too?

NOOO! Don't get the internets police on me. You get thrown in jail for denying the holocaust happened! haha

I think that some people-i.e. not everyone who say it and not saying Fiver. but some people say that they admire Hitler cause they want the attention, the comments from others. Maybe stir things up

Also, personally, I just have so strong feelings about the ww2"¦ I think it's so blasted wrong to list Hitler for personal inspiration.. I don't care if it's his drive, ambition or goal oriented ness you list as attributes.. I think its awful"¦ 1. many people died"¦ many people died horrible deaths 2.there are so many other people to choose from"¦. People who have achieved GREAT things. But if you admire Hitler then you admire Hitler"¦.

I think its wrong for you to think its wrong for me to have Hitler as an inspiration... honestly, I could write that sentence forever.

 

[Wanabee-slayer]

As cheesy as it sounds my inspiration in life is my Aunt. She's has Cystic Fibrosis the same disease her brother died from she grew up in foster care and was told she could never have kids this was her lifelong dream. When she tried to adopt they wouldn't let her because of her illness but here she is now with two beautiful children she knows she won't be able to watch grow up but she doesn't care as long as they're happy. I love her very much.

 

[BillieHunter]

I think he is misunderstood.:raisedeye


No proof has ever been found of Hitler physically killing another human being. 😉 As a person I have read reports that he was a gentleman. Doesn't seem too bad a bloke!
So answer me this question. If I tell you to jump off a bridge, and you jump off and die!
Is it my fault for telling you to, or your fault for being stupid?



I think its wrong for you to think its wrong for me to have Hitler as an inspiration... honestly, I could write that sentence forever.

It'd be my fault for jumping off the bridge...but im not stupid enough to listen to someone telling me to jump off a bridge...besides if i did, who would you have to argue pointlessly with?

I think its wrong for you to have him as an inspiration and you think its wrong for me to think its wrong..we have our own opinions...i gave up trying to understand your side cause i never will...so go admire Hitler all you want, hun...i just dont get it...

 

[polexia]

fiver: missunderstood? sure.. right.. whatever....

sure hitler is not the only man in ww2 who is responsible for the cruleness, the death and the mass murderings... but he was the man with the plan, he was the leader of it... he was able to get people who saw his point of view and liked it to help him get there i thinbk it's so crazy for you too argue that; ooo there is NO eveindence of hitler ever killing anyone himself, or that he ever gased someone personally so he is in no way responsible... only the people around him were killers, were responsible.. sure lets relive hitler from these unfair "rumors" and hear-says.

and as for the hole bridge thing.. you should read up on Milgram and his studie on ww2 and the poeple who commited grusome acts on other people. they did find some interesting things.. sure hitler didn't make any body do something they ddidn't want to or that they weren't capable to do.. so hitler is without responisbiliies.

you should read bauman also...

hitler might not have put a gun to another persons head.. but when you give other people orders to kill(for you) are you any less a killer yourself? or does that mean that you DON'T have blood on your hands?

who started the notion of workcamps, genocide? who was the leader? who was running the show?

alot of people have had to answer for what they did during the 2nd ww, so by all means hitler were not alone, but they are not in quetion here, are they?

and why do you keep coming back to america? this is not a discution/argument about the us politics!!! so your arguments on it are a bit wasted here hun. you don't even know Billih or my point of view on the us foregin politics... so...

when you look at IMPORTANT historical people you can't just look at their will power, you got to look at what they did with it, what they achived. how they got there.... and when it comes to such important historical people as hitler you can't dismiss what he acomplished and say that you only like his ambition..

as for your argument of mandella, well, there are people who have acomplished things that didn't get there using violence... if you think that violence is not right way to acive freedom, then thats what you think.. and then you don't admire that figure/person/leader.. but there are plenty of people who have acomplished great things without using voilence as a tactick

also i just can't see how you can only find hitler admirable...

sure you can go around admiring hitler til your head blows up for all i care, but i t's not wrong for me to think its wrong for you to admire H, but i do think that's someting you should be expecting, that there are people who find that wrong, and dislike it.

i'm not saying that you disregard houlocaust, cause i don't know where you stand on that subject.. but there are people who don't belive in it. there are people ho think its a sham! and thats scary! thats down right scary!!!! specially since there are people to day, who where there, or in some other death camp. who have seen and felt it. BTW have you ever talked to a deathcamp victim? (a person who survived it)

hitler is not a saint. you might find him a gentleman, who never took a ife, who never took a soul, who never destroyed a life(or 6 mill for that matter) and you can go on admiring his ambition, his drive, his will, his "deams for a better world", and the rest of us can sit here with our "lies" of the man.

 

[Buffy Summers]

Remember people that just because someone shares a different opinion than you, it doesn't mean they don't have a right to have that opinion.

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Fiver, i may not share your reasoning and who you look for admiration, but you have the right to look up to Hitler.

Heck people, as long as he isn't going out and killing Jews and Gays and giving an evil eye to a Black man winning an Olympic Gold in his country while the world is watching, then who are all you people to judge him.

No one here is suggesting that Hitler was correct in his plans, but what Fiver is saying is that he admires him for the fact he had a goal in life and fought for it. That to me, is something worth aspiring for. Doesnt mean i'm a racist.
Hitler is possibly one of the biggest names of the 20th century, with a huge influence, yet the mere mention of his name makes people(who weren't even alive during his time on this Earth) shy away from him.


Now, my inspiration is George W. Bush.
He is the leader of a powerful nation.
Has drive and ambition.
Not afraid to attack another country to get their resources.
Declares illegal wars on nations he knows NOT powerful enough to defend themselves.
Wasn't originally the one meant for power.
And Finally people 'misunderestimate' him.......

 

[Dancing man]

Mine is Kurt Cobain from Nirvana.

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Enjoy the Adolf Hitler Quotes/Quotations
"Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."
- Adolf Hitler

"In actual fact the pacifistic-humane idea is perfectly all right perhaps when the highest type of man has previously conquered and subjected the world to an extent that makes him the sole ruler of this earth"¦ Therefore, first struggle and then perhaps pacifism."
- Adolf Hitler

"The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!"
- Adolf Hitler

"For there is one thing we must never forget"¦ the majority can never replace the man. And no more than a hundred empty heads make one wise man will an heroic decision arise from a hundred cowards."
- Adolf Hitler

"There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man."
- Adolf Hitler

"Never forget that the most sacred right on this earth is mans right to have the earth to till with his own hands, the most sacred sacrifice the blood that a man sheds for this earth...."
- Adolf Hitler

"The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others."
- Adolf Hitler

"It must be thoroughly understood that the lost land will never be won back by solemn appeals to the God, nor by hopes in any League of Nations, but only by the force of arms."
- Adolf Hitler

"How to achieve the moral breakdown of the enemy before the war has started -- that is the problem that interests me. Whoever has experienced war at the front will want to refrain from all avoidable bloodshed."
- Adolf Hitler (from Hitler Speaks)

"Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless"
- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"

"A single blow must destroy the enemy... without regard of losses... a gigantic all-destroying blow."
- Adolf Hitler

"Become strong again in spirit, strong in will, strong in endurance, strong to bear all sacrifices"
- Adolf Hitler

"Strength lies not in defense but in attack."
- Adolf Hitler

"Words build bridges into unexplored regions"
- Adolf Hitler

"Great liars are also great magicians"
- Adolf Hitler

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."
- Adolf Hitler

"People have killed only when they could not achieve their aim in other ways ... there is a broadened strategy, with intellectual weapons ... why should I demoralize the enemy by military means if I can do so better and more cheaply in other ways?"
- Adolf Hitler

"Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future."
- Adolf Hitler

"Let us never forget the duty, which we have taken upon us"
- Adolf Hitler

"Just as the world cannot live on wars, so people cannot on revolutions"
- Adolf Hitler

"Our strategy is to destroy the enemy from within, to conquer him through himself."
- Adolf Hitler

"Germany is prepared to agree to any solemn pact of non-aggression, because she does not think of attacking but only acquiring security."
- Adolf Hitler (1933)

"We are all proud that through God's powerful aid, we have become once more true Germans"
- Adolf Hitler

"National Socialist Germany wants peace because of its fundamental convictions. And it wants peace also owing to the realization of the simple primitive fact that no war would be likely essentially to alter the distress in Europe... The principal effect of every war is to destroy the flower of the nation... Germany needs peace and desires peace!"
- Adolf Hitler (May 21, 1935)

"England, unlike in 1914, will not allow herself to blunder into a war lasting for years.... Such is the fate of rich countries.. .Not even England has the money nowadays to fight a world war. What should England fight for? You don't get yourself killed over an ally."
- Adolf Hitler (1939)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew"
- Adolf Hitler

"The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness."
- Adolf Hitler (1941)

"To be a leader means to be able to move masses"
- Adolf Hitler

"Whatever goal, man has reached is due to his originality plus his brutality"
- Adolf Hitler

"We will not capitulate - no, never! We may be destroyed, but if we are, we shall drag a world with us - a world in flames."
- Adolf Hitler

"Struggle is the father of all things. It is not by the principles of humanity that man lives or is able to preserve himself above the animal world, but solely by means of the most brutal struggle. If you do not fight, life will never be won"
- Adolf Hitler

"There could be no issue between the Church and the State. The Church, as such, has nothing to do with political affairs. On the other hand, the State has nothing to do with the faith or inner organization of the Church"
- Adolf Hitler

It must be thoroughly understood that the lost land will never be won back by solemn appeals to the God, nor by hopes in any League of Nations, but only by the force of arms.
- Adolf Hitler

"The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes"
- Adolf Hitler

"It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge"
- Adolf Hitler

"Man has become great through struggle"
- Adolf Hitler

"The German people are not a warlike nation. It is a soldierly one, which means it does not want a war, but does not fear it. It loves peace but also loves its honor and freedom"
- Adolf Hitler

Always before God and the world, the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills"
- Adolf Hitler

"The majority can never replace the man"
- Adolf Hitler

"What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the creator"
- Adolf Hitler

"I will never allow anyone to divide this people once more into religious camps, each fighting the other"
- Adolf Hitler

"Struggle is the father of all things, virtue lies in blood, leadership is primary and decisive"
- Adolf Hitler

"The world will not help, the people must help themselves. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it, we may wage the battle of our life The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty - of Him who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward"
- Adolf Hitler

"Only force rules. Force is the first law"
- Adolf Hitler

"The only people I have been able to use are those who fought"
- Adolf Hitler

"The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force."
- Adolph Hitler

"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."
- Adolph Hitler

"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
- Adolph Hitler Quotes

"When an opponent declares, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say, "Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community."
- Adolph Hitler Quotes

"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?"
- Adolph Hitler Quotes
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These comments show how powerful Hitler was as a public speaker, man of power. Its also easy to see how he managed to attain power. Fact is this quote is the truest of them all
"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
By this i don't mean i that he could have denyed the Holocaust, but he could justify something like this, just like any great leader could and should.
You may all have your issues, but you cannot deny the fact that Hitler was a great leader.

 

[Schillaci]

I think its wrong for you to have him as an inspiration and you think its wrong for me to think its wrong..we have our own opinions...i gave up trying to understand your side cause i never will...so go admire Hitler all you want, hun...i just dont get it...

NOOOO!
Don't give up!

See passed what the victors dictate to you. Use that innate instinct that tells you to jump off the bridge would be wrong. Do not feel, perceive.

Ignore what your heart tells you, it lies. 1 innocent murdered is no different from 12 million, because to believe there is a difference, is to condone the lesser. Death is the absolute finality to all things. Hitler had no bloodlust, no desire to kill, to hate. He killed no people. His only true crimes were ignorance and nationalism.

fiver: missunderstood? sure.. right.. whatever....

sure hitler is not the only man in ww2 who is responsible for the cruleness, the death and the mass murderings... but he was the man with the plan, he was the leader of it... he was able to get people who saw his point of view and liked it to help him get there i thinbk it's so crazy for you too argue that; ooo there is NO eveindence of hitler ever killing anyone himself, or that he ever gased someone personally so he is in no way responsible... only the people around him were killers, were responsible.. sure lets relive hitler from these unfair "rumors" and hear-says.

Wrong on many accounts.
First of all, do you even know what Hitler's original plan was? He wanted to unite Germany, restore its pride, and have it be the biggest power in the world. That asshole, lets go piss on his grave!
Secondly, Hitler never killed anybody, it is a fact. There is NO evidence to suggest otherwise. BUT, clearly that his people killed should all be blamed on him"¦ Lets get a witch hunt going for Bush!
Bush had a plan, to wipe out "terrorism". At least, the terrorism that he will benefit from. He initially got people to see his side of view, through silly speeches on national pride, and defending the country, and never resting until all terrorism had been wiped out. While his rhetoric is not nearly up to Hitler's standards, its still effective. Let us not forget that America has in the past funded many of these terrorist organisations. Now, for the purpose of freedom, PEACE and liberty, they will INVADE countries which they suspect are now backing terrorist organizations. UN-****ING -BELIEVABLE.

And Hitler was not the leader, in the sense that, he told them Jews were evil, lets kill them. Very much the other way about, Hitler was following the feelings of the people. In fact, it is suspected that even in power, the Nazis were more influenced by the people than the other way about. Germans wanted Jews out of Germany. Hitler followed the wishes of his people.

and as for the hole bridge thing.. you should read up on Milgram and his studie on ww2 and the poeple who commited grusome acts on other people. they did find some interesting things.. sure hitler didn't make any body do something they ddidn't want to or that they weren't capable to do.. so hitler is without responisbiliies.

you should read bauman also...

An American and a Polish Jew? Haha, completely objective I'm sure"¦

hitler might not have put a gun to another persons head.. but when you give other people orders to kill(for you) are you any less a killer yourself? or does that mean that you DON'T have blood on your hands?

Uhm, all leaders must give these orders.
Zoe: Heroes get people killed.

who started the notion of workcamps, genocide? who was the leader? who was running the show?

Oh, so when American soldiers were torturing Iraqis, that was a specific order from Bush? The idea of "work camps" was not started by Hitler. Hitler wanted Jews out of Germany. If I remember correctly, he wrote in Mein Kampf that he was somewhat inspired by the American ethnic cleansing of the natives. Genocide of the Jews was not decided by Hitler. Hitler wasn't even at the conference where the "final solution" was apparently decided. Any suggestion that he authorized it, or it was his decision, is a lie. (According to the facts)

alot of people have had to answer for what they did during the 2nd ww, so by all means hitler were not alone, but they are not in quetion here, are they?

You can't take one person, one event in history, and say there, haha, proof Hitler was the evil. Things need to be looked at in context, otherwise your opinion will be completely illogical.

and why do you keep coming back to america? this is not a discution/argument about the us politics!!! so your arguments on it are a bit wasted here hun. you don't even know Billih or my point of view on the us foregin politics... so...

America is vitally important to this discussion. They celebrate their genocide of the native Americans"¦ Nazi Germany is condemned for there's..

when you look at IMPORTANT historical people you can't just look at their will power, you got to look at what they did with it, what they achived. how they got there.... and when it comes to such important historical people as hitler you can't dismiss what he acomplished and say that you only like his ambition..

Hitler united Germany. He saw a world where Germany was the leading power. He used military force to do so. EXACTLY what America does.

as for your argument of mandella, well, there are people who have acomplished things that didn't get there using violence... if you think that violence is not right way to acive freedom, then thats what you think.. and then you don't admire that figure/person/leader.. but there are plenty of people who have acomplished great things without using voilence as a tactick

You clearly MISSED the point. Mandella essentially won, he's a hero. Hitler lost, he's the evil. Both used violence. There is NO difference. Numbers or methods do not matter.

also i just can't see how you can only find hitler admirable...

sure you can go around admiring hitler til your head blows up for all i care, but i t's not wrong for me to think its wrong for you to admire H, but i do think that's someting you should be expecting, that there are people who find that wrong, and dislike it.

And you can walk around with your head up your ass, till I pull out an ak47 and shoot you the shit up.

i'm not saying that you disregard houlocaust, cause i don't know where you stand on that subject.. but there are people who don't belive in it. there are people ho think its a sham! and thats scary! thats down right scary!!!! specially since there are people to day, who where there, or in some other death camp. who have seen and felt it. BTW have you ever talked to a deathcamp victim? (a person who survived it)

Never talked to a survivor, I've talked to some victims, though. They told me they were itchy. Weird. Plus, they smelled off. I told them to take a shower, but they just looked at me oddly..

hitler is not a saint. you might find him a gentleman, who never took a ife, who never took a soul, who never destroyed a life(or 6 mill for that matter) and you can go on admiring his ambition, his drive, his will, his "deams for a better world", and the rest of us can sit here with our "lies" of the man.

Haha, funny stuff, Polexia!
The "lies"?

Historians tell you that the Nazi government was chaotic, there was very little order, members just did what they pleased, and when questioned, replied that it was the will of Hitler. Without ever actually asking or having it authorized by Hitler. We are also told, Hitler was lazy, he woke at noon, liked to waste his time watching movies at night, had little time for details, etc etc..

So, if the Nazi party was so without order, or construct, then where the hell do the allies find all these documents specifying plans and designs by the nazis? Explicit documents on the final solution, and the extermination of so many Jews, and other minorities. If the Nazis were so without planning or actual order, why do these documents exist? Whose idea was it? Not Hitler's, he was too busy sleeping and watching movies"¦"¦"¦And if these documents truly existed in the first place, which I doubt they did, why weren't they destroyed before the Allies took Berlin? Not enough time? Please, Germany lost the war long before the Russians came beating on Berlin. All documents, should/would have been destroyed, if they ever existed.

I actually watched a programme yesterday as it happens about Nazi Germany. One German had this to say. (totally paraphrasing, but it was something like this)

"The first time I met Hitler, I was startled by the beautiful nature of the man. I thought, this is a good man, and I'm proud to have met him. I never once witnessed any of the evil he is associated with."

Now, my inspiration is George W. Bush.
He is the leader of a powerful nation.
Has drive and ambition.
Not afraid to attack another country to get their resources.
Declares illegal wars on nations he knows NOT powerful enough to defend themselves.
Wasn't originally the one meant for power.
And Finally people 'misunderestimate' him...."¦

I'd mentioned America a few times, becomes ultimately I was going to draw comparisons between Hitler and Bush.

Lets face it, America has always been an imperialistic country, they're just damn sneaky about it. America is a nation that is orientated towards military and political hegemony over the rest of the world, and as it is losing it's stranglehold on power, desperate actions are necessary. And the East is looking greedily on America, it wants its power, and sees America as weak.
Americans think the world revolves around them, truly believing they have the greatest country in the world. Its that sort of arrogant pride that epitomized Nazi Germany. The single member does not matter, it's the country as a whole that's important, the rest of the world be damned. We can see this from America, with simple things like, having children read the pledge of allegiance every day in school (which I find is a truly disturbing method of almost brainwashing). Or using Fox to spread pro Bush propaganda. A country where large corporations are merged with the interests of the government. All much like Mussolinis idea of fascism.
How does America maintain power over the rest of the world?
Peace keeping missions that America has engaged in have the tendency to replace local governments with pro American ones..
Bush is hypocritical, advocating a "free Market" in other nations but creating protectionist laws and barriers in America.

They are arrogant, they truly believe they can go where they want and force their beliefs on anyone. I'd like to see them invade a real nation, like China or Russia, they'd get pwned.

You may all have your issues, but you cannot deny the fact that Hitler was a great leader.

Quoted for truth, justice, the American way!

 

[BillieHunter]

NOOOO!
Don't give up!

See passed what the victors dictate to you. Use that innate instinct that tells you to jump off the bridge would be wrong. Do not feel, perceive.

Ignore what your heart tells you, it lies. 1 innocent murdered is no different from 12 million, because to believe there is a difference, is to condone the lesser. Death is the absolute finality to all things. Hitler had no bloodlust, no desire to kill, to hate. He killed no people. His only true crimes were ignorance and nationalism.

Must say I completely agree on the 1 innocent murdered thing...because 1 or 1 million...its still murder...not so sure on the Hitler had no bloodlust thing...maybe not but I'm not Hitler...thank god...so I can't say what he did or did not think.

However...I still give up.

 

[polexia]

fiver: you are a sad read.. i'm sure too belive a hitorian, a sociologist, a political/ethic philosopher over your bad arguments! there are so many people who wortk on this field, reacherching hitler, speer, himler eichman... the holocaust... they see so many things about hitler and ww2 and natzis that you can't see(or that you see and deny)

do you know how many people have died as a result of hitlers orders?

sure hitler might have given the peopel what they "wanted", but there is a big difference between driving jews out of germany and killing them, making them less then human (a part of natzi strat was to remove there humanety, and focus on their negative side)

do you know why they stoped shooting jews and started to gas them? b/c they saw it as a very unhuman act, but not for the jews, they weren't human, for the people who had to shoot them.

do you know that speer once said that Hitler, when he got the message that german towns were being bombed and german arian people died, he wasn't moved at all... he was how ever moved when buildings, especialy theaters, were destroyed... all in all in the raceteaching(geramn arian on the top jews on the bottom) even the arian men and women were only instruments to keep the race going and growing...

hitler idn't only want jews out of germany(sorry wish of the peopel) hw wanted them dead... rediculed and killed... dehumanised... ever jew should died the min he/she was born.. cause they were unworthy...

you might think that bauman is bias.. but want are you and your likes?

sure you have the right to your opinon... and i'm right to mine

you're coment about looking at one thing, one moment and then yeah hitler is eveil.. you know that's not what i'm doing! not at all.. i know there are alot of people who did alot of horrible things, and they had to acount for that, this is not an argument about an of them, this is about you and your bad argumant for why hitler can be acounted as a hero.... as personal inspiration.. do you really thing your arguments for liking his ambition is valid?

also i think you are turning a blind side to all the horrible things that hitler has done... the things he has orderd done...

you might like were he started off, but you can't say that thats all he is.. thats all he's done cause he hasn't... in sept 1939 he ordered that all mental patiants were to be killed, cause they were a liablilty, 70 000 was killed...

he might have acted on the wish of the people..


oh and don't think for a second that i don't know how it satrted, how he rose to poercause i do..

i'm sorry if i have offended someone!!!

 

[Buffy Summers]

All I have to say right here, is that it seems like you have not actually read what F has acutally said...whcih is what he said he admired in Hitler...one specific quality...but have created an argument about something which I don't think anyone is having a discussion about.

I just wonder why this is the one person where their comment turned into an argument...when no one argued against anyone else's choice?