Who's messing with Echo?

[Fusions2]

I'm totally with you on the not knowing!

You did just thrown a spanner in my works though (in the friendliest way possible, I'm sure 😉) I just figured it was Alpha who wiped her imprint in the vault - but only because Topher said it must have been. But NOW I'm not so sure....😀

I think Alpha wiping her mind in the bank is about a 50/50 chance it would make sense he did it. But if someone is on the inside and added the extra imprint in to Echo to tell Paul everything. Then it may have been that same inside man who did the imprint wipe. Its just so hard to tell with who actually wiped Echo was it Alpha or the inside man... so many questions and still little answers. *sighs*

 

[AndrewCrossett]

nerd4hire agrees: But if there really was a mole wouldn't he or she just turn the surveillance off?

Doing that would alert the listeners that something was wrong, and I'd think Adelle and Dominic would have been concerned about it in their talk afterwards.

Of course, if the mole is tech-savvy enough to modify a personality imprint, he/she would probably also be able to hack into the surveillance and plant a false conversation in place of the real one. But that's starting to reach a bit...

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Just to throw something into the mix for you guys, something I said in another thread - Olivia Williams character is the one that 'planted' the information, or at least that is my opinion.

That doesn't necessarily mean she is a 'good' guy but it made sense in the one episode that I watched that she is the one doing it.

 

[nerd4hire]

But that's starting to reach a bit...

And they'd never do that on Dollhouse right? Not like other film and TV makers do on pretty much every suspense show where video security is involved.

Wait a minute though. Come to think of it, I was wondering about something. How did Boyd discover how Sierra was being abused? He was looking up at the video security camera and...

I couldn't make out what Boyd said to Topher when he was asked how he figured it out. Sounded something like "It didn't work".

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Might be interesting though. Maybe the point they're trying to make is we're entering a world where we're all becoming dolls, so in the Dollhouse they create a reality where you stop asking, "who's a doll", and start asking, "who isn't?"

That would be crazy, nuts, eh?

Didn't they make that point in the little vignettes when that Professor type person said that as soon as this technology was around thats it, the end of humanity sort of thing?

To me that was Joss saying that the fact remains, who ever has this power will use it for whatever means AND it makes sense in a way that should you have a 'Dollhouse' that its people were 'Dolls' as well - that way every single one of them is expendable BUT also they aren't ever in a position to have power or control themselves.

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Wait a minute though. Come to think of it, I was wondering about something. How did Boyd discover how Sierra was being abused? He was looking up at the video security camera and...

He worked out the blind spot.

That, to me, suggested that it couldn't have been a 'Doll'. The 'Doll', if it was responsible, would have come at this from a child like stance, where as the actual 'rape' was calculated - something the 'Dolls' can't do without a persona and if it was capable, then it would have been noticable.

It would then be easy to deduce the people who have access - I haven't seen all the episodes, but I would assume there are some restrictions, and you then only have a closed circle of people.
After that, the 'handler' would be an obvious choice because we're to believe that these 'Dolls' are child-like and in cases of rape/child abuse its generally someone close to the child, or in this case 'Doll'.


Eugh, I'm more interested in discussing it than watching it!!

I might watch more JUST so I can do this!

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The 'she cries at night' thing adds more to the child abuse by a family member stuff that this episode seemed to be going for - its definitely something Joss likes to 'play' with.

 

[nerd4hire]

Fair's fair I think. Prydain posted a spoiler at AfterDarkness which may shine light on this. Everybody should have access to it if they choose, for the poll.

Copy and paste from AD...

Spoiler

Amy Acker has been cast in ABC's pilot "Happy Town", and the buzz is that ABC is going to pick it up. So Claire is probably a goner at the end of this season. If she's the one who implanted the information in Echo I'm guessing she'll be found out by the higher ups and killed.

 

[charmingslayer]

Man that sucks hopefully and no offense Amy's show gets cancelled cause i want more Claire 😛 I think it could of been Adelle.
Does anyone think that Adelle knows Echo is remembering cause when she drew the painting and said it wasn't finished she knew what she mean't so maybe she does and is the "inside man".

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Fair's fair I think. Prydain posted a spoiler at AfterDarkness which may shine light on this. Everybody should have access to it if they choose, for the poll.

Copy and paste from AD...

Spoiler

Amy Acker has been cast in ABC's pilot "Happy Town", and the buzz is that ABC is going to pick it up. So Claire is probably a goner at the end of this season. If she's the one who implanted the information in Echo I'm guessing she'll be found out by the higher ups and killed.

I don't see Joss having something like that as sorted within the first season.

Maybe have the reveal to the viewer but not the people on the show, especially within a 13 episode season!

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Aww, why can't we see who voted for what in the vote - I prefer to see what people actually think, rather than anonymous polls.

 

[Relic]

It could still be Topher. he just recently had his security level cleared, maybe he's finding out scary stuff and is no longer comfortable with his employer. That 'ready to play' statement seemed out of the ordinary for him, maybe he's making his own team.

At any rate, if he did want to quit, with his job being what it is and all, it would be like trying to quit the mob. I'm sure he knows that at the very least.

Granted Echo said someone monkeyed with her imprint when the original programmer was not around, but if it was still just all Topher, why not give himself an alibi, in case someone was listening or Ballard went back channels with his information, but it still got back to dollhouse, that there is a traitor in their organization.

He would likely know actives assignments. He might know that Ballards girlfriend is a doll and that the dollhouse is spying on 'them.' He also might figure Ballard may spill the beans about someone inside working against the house to her and by that end inform Dollhouse of disloyal activities by an employee, so he wants an 'alibi' just in case.

The plot was made more complex, and in the grand scheme of it all, everyone is still a suspect, and/or their might not even be a 'crime' This is a speculators dream show, I'm really enjoying it!

 

[Bob]

i said Ivy, people say that Joss is too clever for her to be the one, But i think he's Double bluffing

 

[Summerlilly]

I have no idea! And I love it! (for now) 🙂

 

[Airam]

Well, I'm still on the fence on wether someone actually hijacked the imprint or if it was the Dollhouse's plan all along... BUT if there is someone behind it I'm thinking that someone on the inside is in cahoots with Alpha and Alpha is the one dishing out the orders about using Echo to feed Paul info... who that inside man/ woman is... I don't know.