Wow, most of them suck =/

[Clem Rocks]

Ok so i was sitting here the other night and i realise, must of the characters in Buffy and Angel suck, i mean really, think about it.

Buffy - Meh, she was ok at times.
Willow - She had her uses sometimes i suppose.
Xander - Well he was just a prat, why they even had him in Buffy is beyond me.
Giles - The first actual good character on Buffy, always there for a good laugh and had the potential to be an even bigger character.
Dawn - One of the best out of all the characters, extremely underrated.
Faith - Should have been the main slayer, was way more entertaining than Buffy.
Anya - Someone should have said "Bunnies" repeatedly to her on her first appearance until she left and never came back.
Tara - Did she ever become more than just scenery? She wasn't even good scenery. =/
Oz - C'mon, Oz was an idiot, i assume he was just there to make the others look better
Andrew - Had his uses, mostly just for us to laugh at and give Xander someone to talk to.
Riley - Oh god, don't even get me started on him!
Spike - Ok, let's be honest, how many of us watched Buffy just to see how awesome Spike was?

Atleast Angel had better characters

Angel, Spike, Wes, Fred, Illyria, Lorne - All brilliant, not a bad thing about any of them
Gunn - Was always inbetween boring and cool
Cordy - Why, WHY, was she ever in either program? All she did was whine, bitch and moan =| The only character i can think of worse than Cordy is Darla D=
Harmony - Always hilarious, should have been in it since season 1
Lindsey and Conner - Eh, atleast they became good in season 5



So guys, discuss, why we all love Buffy and Angel when most of the characters suck? and which characters can you absolutely not stand and wish were never in Buffy/Angel?

 

[The Chosen]

To be honest I think this is your biased opinion. There are plenty of people that could and are going to disagree with you. I could walk down the street and say something like, "The world sucks because the grass isn't green in some places!" and others could agree with me. Some won't. I'm not trying to be pissy but just because you have an opinion doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. You're sort of implying that everyone agrees with you, or at least that's what I got from this. Correct me if I'm wrong!

But on the other hand, you are kinda right. I wouldn't flat out say they all suck, though. Just a few of them do. :nod:

 

[nerd4hire]

Ok so i was sitting here the other night and i realise, must of the characters in Buffy and Angel suck, i mean really, think about it.

Ok, I really thought about and I decided you're wrong. 🙂

 

[Clem Rocks]

To be honest I think this is your biased opinion. There are plenty of people that could and are going to disagree with you. I could walk down the street and say something like, "The world sucks because the grass isn't green in some places!" and others could agree with me. Some won't. I'm not trying to be pissy but just because you have an opinion doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. You're sort of implying that everyone agrees with you, or at least that's what I got from this. Correct me if I'm wrong!

But on the other hand, you are kinda right. I wouldn't flat out say they all suck, though. Just a few of them do. :nod:

I'm not trying to imply the everyone agrees with me, those are just my opinions on the characters. Sorry if it seemed like i thought everyone felt that way

So, which ones do you think suck?

 

[Black Eye Guy]

Yeah I would disagree, I definitely wouldn't agree that Spike would be one of the non-sucky characters.

He was brilliant was a bad guy, good when he got the chip. But was hacked away until he was boring and just annoyed the crap outta me.

 

[Joyce Summers]

Whoa, witness my non agreement. Haha

Buffy - I admit sometimes she was weight-of-the-worldy but hey, she was carrying the weight of the world. I love Buffy, she's one of my favorite characters. Despite all she's gone through she keeps going and tries to be upbeat where possible. And she's loyal, cares about the little guy etc. Plus she's the nucleus, she's the one who inadvertently made the others all realize they had something in common, that they could be a group.

Willow - Willow's quirkiness could bring light to the darkest scene. Or just humor in the most random way. And what made it even better was she acknowledged her randomness; 'Sometimes I'm callous and strange', 'Which is a weird image and you should all just forget it..'. Plus the Wicca thing? She showed that you could still kick butt as the side kick and without slayer advantage. She was such a sweetie. Except when, you know, evil.

Xander - Xander? A prat? Nay! He was great as average joe guy and I loved his humor. Plus his sweet never-failing loyalty made him so cute. I crushed on him for the entire seven years because pf his attitude and personality. And how about his speech to Dawn in Potential? That was SO not prattish.

Giles - Yes. I agree. Giles was excellent. Let's say no more.

Dawn - Dawn is an underrated character, I agree, and you really have to delve through the layers to reach her potential.

Faith - I like Faith; she was interesting, multilayerd but as the main Slayer? Personally, I think it would get boring. She was great to play off Buffy and the others but as the center character and main Slayer the entire theme of the show would have changed and personally, I don't think it would have been as good. We needed Buffy to be the main Slayer because she is so obviously good, while Faith always walks the border.

Anya - Get. Rid. Of. Anya? No way, she was wonderful. First just there for an episode plot line in season 3 and then comic relief in season 4 and most of season 5 but as the character grew she became so much more than that. Sure she still had the comedy, but there was so much heart to her and through her bluntness she could help the other characters realize some things about themselves and she was shown to always care about them. You saw her grow more human every episode and it was just great.

Tara - Tara was way more than just scenery. Without her we wouldn't have had a season 6 finale. Dawn wouldn't have had a mother figure in season 6. Buffy wouldn't have had anyone to turn to. She was integral to the group, just subtley so because that was Tara; subtle.

Oz - Oz? An idiot? He was one of the most sensitive guys we've ever had on the show, and Veruca mishap aside, the most romantic too. The way he was with Willow and his defensive, protective attitude whenever she was in danger- come on, he was the guy every woman dreams of having. The one who'll say 'I'm willing to wait when you're ready because I love you so much'. Plus is larconic and satirical humor? Perfecto, hehe.

Andrew - I kind of agree with what you said about Andrew. But I still enjoyed his character.

Riley - I liked Riley. I will say no more than that because half this site will disagree with me. Haha

Spike - Okay, I liked Spike, he was great, but I didn't ever just watch the show for him. He's another one that while great, was suited as the side-man because too much of him like in a 24/7 sense would have driven me insane.

At least Angel had better characters

See, I always thought the complete opposite. I love the show Angel but I always thought the characters that came only from the Angelverse lacked the background, depth and detailed character history the Buffy characters had. I mean the characters I liked the most on Angel were Angel, Cordy and Wes. All from Buffy originally. Of course I also adored Fred and Doyle but despite how much I loved them, you have to admit we never knew much about their life history before Angel or about their family (only brief glimpses). And that, IMO, always made it just that little bit harder to reach the characters in the same connective way you do on Buffy, even if I do like the guys on Angel

Cordy? How could you question the value of Cordy? She was great as the high school Cheerleader, the mature growing-up twelth grader, the warm figure in Angel S1, the self-sacrificer, evil, the big picture girl, everything. No matter what development character wise Cordy was going through it was enjoyable to watch (though also painful when she went evil...).

Needless to say, I disagree with your post Clem. Haha. 🙂

 

[Senior Watcher]

at first i wasnt even gonna reply to this ridiculous thread, but then i thought to myself, "self, if you do respond, you will have the backing of pretty much everyone on the board.....so go ahead."

clem rocks, if you dont like the characters, why are you here? thats just like me saying, "i hate ben and jerrys ice cream, but the next time im at the market, im gonna buy a pint."

i cant help but wonder if you just need attention and decided to post something that thought would get people riled-up.

peace and monkey grease.

 

[TabulaRasa]

I'm with Senior Watcher, well, I'm always with SW.

Clem Rocks, you need to realise that each of these characters are true to life. Each and everyone of them is someone on this board, someone in this world. We identify with them. Even if you don't think they matter, they do to many other people. Xander may have been pointless to you, but how many people on this board are completely like him? I could make more valid points but I don't think I need to as many other people on this forum know that your opinion doesn't mean anything to them. 'Them' being the ones who feel quite opposite to your opinions.

It's ok to have your opinions, but the way you stated them was kind of stating them for everyone.

 

[WickedWillow2]

Ok, I really thought about and I decided you're wrong. 🙂

Put the best way so far.

Kind of harsh to say such things about the cast and imply we all feel that way CR.

 

[definition of insane]

Ok here's me slightly agreeing here but hear me out....Yes there are a bunch flaws with all the characters but here's where I stick in that whole humanistic argument. I mean, if everyone was fantastics, life would be boring and no-one would have a single bit of decent creativity. If everyone on Buffy and Angel were fantastic and awesome all of the time, I wouldn't have watched it as much as I did/do/have/whatever.

So in my opinion...yes, sometimes they suck...sometimes we all suck (although some may beg to differ 😛) but hey, that's what makes it interesting.

 

[FeastOnScraps]

Well actually what keep me glued to both shows is how interesting, complex and engaging the characters where. They all had such a unique scene in both there humour and drama.

 

[Clem Rocks]

at first i wasnt even gonna reply to this ridiculous thread, but then i thought to myself, "self, if you do respond, you will have the backing of pretty much everyone on the board.....so go ahead."

clem rocks, if you dont like the characters, why are you here? thats just like me saying, "i hate ben and jerrys ice cream, but the next time im at the market, im gonna buy a pint."

i cant help but wonder if you just need attention and decided to post something that thought would get people riled-up.

peace and monkey grease.

I'm here because i love the programs, just not most of the characters, and the reason i posted this was because i thought it would make an interesting topic. But you lot seemed to have missed the point

 

[Spirit_Of_Fred]

Of course I also adored Fred and Doyle but despite how much I loved them, you have to admit we never knew much about their life history before Angel or about their family (only brief glimpses)

i agree with this about doyle. after all, he died after 9 episodes! 🙁 fred, however, i think we got a good amount of background from her. we saw her parents a few times. in 'supersymmetry' we learned a little about her being in LA the first time at UCLA, and what her school experience/"favourite" teacher was like. there was the flashback in 'a hole in the world'. of course, five years of her life were in pylea, and we knew about that. plus, there was just a lot we learned from what the characters said. i think we knew less about cordy's background (just one example) pre-buffy/angel than fred's! in my opinion, we got a lot about fred's.

in addition, though it is cool to know the background of the characters, we dont want to know every interesting aspect and adventure of their life story pre-the show, or we'd want to watch a show about that. we want to see what is happening to them now. plus, there are some things which it is cool to just let our imaginations wander about, and/or create fanfic about what might have happened 🙂. we do like the background, since it helps build who they are now, and can contribute to interesting plots which come from things that happened to them in their past, but we dont want the whole thing. does that make sense?

EDIT: and just to be a bit more on topic, i guess everyone has different opinions about who they like and hate. i guess thats one of the cool things about BB that people keep talking about; we can talk about who we like and hate with no vicious disagreement (well, except on rare occasions, and then the mods put a stop to it 😉). personally, i like all of the characters on ClemRocks' list, side of riley and connor. in a tiny nutshell, i think they all had interesting personalities that made for good tv, were just really cool people who you could either relate to or would want around, and had great contributions to make to the show.

 

[Willow Rosenberg]

I will admit that probably all of the characters have at some point in time annoyed me, but to my mind that's what makes them good characters - even the ones I didn't like at all. 🙂

They all have positive & negative points but to me that made them more 3D and more interesting to watch. If they were absolutely perfect it wouldn't seem right - I mean, who would want to be that perfect? 😉 Plus, I think that everyone sees something different in everybody, you know, otherwise we'd all be drawn to the same people.

I think they had the right mix of characters on both shows, and I wouldn't have changed the recipe they already had.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 😀

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

I'm here because i love the programs, just not most of the characters, and the reason i posted this was because i thought it would make an interesting topic. But you lot seemed to have missed the point

Maybe it would help if you made the point a little more clear: if you dislike most of the characters, what is it you love about the show, since it's pretty much all about the characters? "The characters all suck" doesn't give much for anyone to discuss as opposed to just contradicting (or agreeing with) the opinion; "I dislike the characters but I love the show and here's why" might actually offer something to discuss.

 

[Tueuse de Vampires]

It's interesting how somebody can just take all the characters he doesn't like and assume the whole world feels the same.
Seriously, you've named about 80% of my favourite characters as useless. And on the other hand, you named characters I loat he (like Harmony) as so brilliant. I'm just really glad you didn't get a say in who was in the show and who wasn't.
And of course ylou never like all the characters. Everyone is different and likes different things. There's probably NOTHING in the world that everybody loves.

 

[Vicariously]

I was going to add a lengthy two cents to this post but having read everyones replies, everything I had to say has already been said. I do however, have a question for Clem Rocks. How is it that you like the program at all if over half of the characters you watch (especially the main three Buffy, Xander and Willow, face it they are in EVERY SHOW throughout the entire series) you claim are uninteresting? You must have found them interesting else you wouldnt have watched...I mean, I guess you would have to explain what made the show interesting to you that kept you watching if the characters obviously didnt.

 

[sosa lola]

I disagree. 🙂

And I didn't watch the show for Spike. I started watching it because I liked that brave, smart-ass kid who doesn't have superpowers and yet sticks around to give any possible help he can afford. So, yep, didn't think Xander was pointless, neither did I think that about the other characters.

Buffy would never have made it this far without all the characters you had presented. Funny how Spike, Giles and Clem, your choices, hadn't stuck around for Buffy. Clem fled before the big fight, Giles left Buffy when she most needed him, and Spike preferred fighting with Angel over going to Buffy. The ones you thought were pointless are the ones who still stuck around by her side, just my opinion. 🙂

Btw, I love all the characters 😉

 

[Clem Rocks]

Maybe it would help if you made the point a little more clear: if you dislike most of the characters, what is it you love about the show, since it's pretty much all about the characters? "The characters all suck" doesn't give much for anyone to discuss as opposed to just contradicting (or agreeing with) the opinion; "I dislike the characters but I love the show and here's why" might actually offer something to discuss.

The point was clear in the first post. The thread is for discussing what characters you think suck, and why you still like the program despite those characters

 

[Joyce Summers]

The point was clear in the first post. The thread is for discussing what characters you think suck, and why you still like the program despite those characters

No offense but I think that's an entirely pointless point to a discussion.
Even when characters annoy you slightly you never say 'I think that character sucks' because the next minute they do something amazing. That's what the Buffyverse is about- the character make you think different things about them constantly.
And with such avid fans I don't think you would ever get a particular positive response to 'which characters do you think suck?' because I don't think it's possible to answer.
I mean I hated Warren but I didn't think he sucked.