Wow, most of them suck =/

[JCC]

You assumed I directed that at you? See why education is key? Try to relax man. That was actually sarcasm. And until you can know someone you shouldn't assume.

I can never know you. You're text on my screen. I judge you by how you act, and it's pointless to say "Ah, if you could delve into my mind, you would see that I am different."

If you don't want people to think that you're being unreasonable, think about what people see when you post. They don't see your brainwaves, they see your writings. But I'm sorry for misinterpreting anyway.

 

[TabulaRasa]

I can never know you. You're text on my screen. I judge you by how you act, and it's pointless to say "Ah, if you could delve into my mind, you would see that I am different."

If you don't want people to think that you're being unreasonable, think about what people see when you post. They don't see your brainwaves, they see your writings. But I'm sorry for misinterpreting anyway.

You can still get to know someone by the text they write.

Anyways, let's try to get back to the real topic eh?
I will go so far as to admit Xander is not one of my favorites. Not even in my top 10, but I don't hate him. I don't think he is pointless in anyway. I don't know what it is about him because most people love him.
I guess he just does things sometimes that makes me want to throw him across the room. Kind of like my neighbor, although I like Xander much, much more.

 

[Vicariously]

wow so this thread has really done nothing but start problems! If people can't see why most at this board where offended by Clem Rocks' bashing of more than HALF of the charcters on the show, when this message board is devoted to those that love the show in its interity, than I really don't know what to say about that.

Its kinda like joining a Christian message board and then saying... "I Don't know, I love being a Christian but that Jesus? I mean what was the point in him?!"

Obviously not too that extreme, but you get the picture? What's worse, is that I am actually inclined to post in this utterly useless thread to defend my love of the show.

Clem Rocks is entitled to his opinion. He doesnt have to love every character, but to basically take the enitre cast and call them useless, well it just make you wonder with that much distaste for virtually the entire cast... how is it that they can even bring themselves to enjoy a single episode? Let alone be a fan? It just doesn't make sense. And to then imply that we all agree is well...obviously we don't!

Besides its not like we condemed him for his opinion, just questioned how he could seriously consider himself a fan?!

 

[JCC]

wow so this thread has really done nothing but start problems! If people can't see why most at this board where offended by Clem Rocks' bashing of more than HALF of the charcters on the show, when this message board is devoted to those that love the show in its interity, than I really don't know what to say about that.

Its kinda like joining a Christian message board and then saying... "I Don't know, I love being a Christian but that Jesus? I mean what was the point in him?!"

Obviously not too that extreme, but you get the picture? What's worse, is that I am actually inclined to post in this utterly useless thread to defend my love of the show.

Clem Rocks is entitled to his opinion. He doesnt have to love every character, but to basically take the enitre cast and call them useless, well it just make you wonder with that much distaste for virtually the entire cast... how is it that they can even bring themselves to enjoy a single episode? Let alone be a fan? It just doesn't make sense. And to then imply that we all agree is well...obviously we don't!

Besides its not like we condemed him for his opinion, just questioned how he could seriously consider himself a fan?!

Where did he say that you all agree with him? This thread was never about the members of BB.

"OMG HE BASHED CHARACTERS NOOOO"

-Xander has been really annoying on more than one occasion.
-Reiterate previous sentence but insert any character name there.

"OMG CHRISTIANITY METAPHOR"

-Fail. This is a television show, not your pseudo-salvation.

"HOW OH HOW CAN HE BRING HIMSELF TO ENJOY THE SHOW?"

-Because the storylines can be good even if the characters aren't likeable for him. We all see different things in different people.

Edit:

I wasn't being rude. The people who are being rude are the ones who are attacking Clem Rocks because he doesn't like some fictional characters.

 

[Old Master 3.0]

Okay guys and gals, let's knock it off, shall we?

While we all can appreciate that most of us feel passionately about our Buffy and Angel shows, and have a right to our opinions, board discussions cannot be allowed to degenerate into these mud-slinging contests, which I can see is starting to happen with THIS discussion.

You want to scrap, well hey, that's fine by me. But take it outside the Board. Resolve it outside the Board, and leave it out there.

However, if you want to have a nice civil discussion, then by all means, please do so.

Bring this thing back on topic, people. And be cool, if you please. This continues down the path it's started to take, and the thread gets closed.

Be at peace, folks.

 

[Vicariously]

Out of respect for you Old Master III and the rest of the board I wont post the original response to the questions asked by "Mr. JCC" from my previous post. And I will do my best to avoid further discussion in this thread. It will only further annoy me anyhow and its not worth my time. So I will go back to the rest of the boards and celebrate "the buffy love".

 

[anyatara]

Whoa there, let's apply the break and check our rear and side view mirrors (Well, can't have a dramatic entrance without at least ONE Buffy quote, can I? 😉) Anyway, back on topic, I get that you won't like all the characters, but half the things you said were not only biased but rudely un called for.

First off, Xander wasn't a pratt, he was one of the best characters in the show, okay, so he didn't posess any powers, but that's no reason to say he sucks, all the characters you seem to like have powers or are demons, just because Xander didn't, he was the closest to real life character on the show, in my opinion. Next thing, okay, Anya's my favourite character but I'll try not to be biased, but there's really nothing wrong with her, basically you implied that you don't like her 'cause she has a bunny phobia? I had a terrible fear of them between being 6 and 10, and that didn't effect who I was, and there's nothing else you really commented on about her, so yeah...Now, the thing that got to me most, was what you said about Tara. Usual piece of scenery?!? Am I watching a different show here? Tara was one of the most important characters in the show between seasons 4-6 without her, the show wouldn't have taken the turns it did, they wouldn't have had enough people to bring Buffy back, she wouldn't have been able to help Buffy with her Spike problems, and she would have never died, Willow would have never gone evil, making a much suckier season six finale and a much suckier season seven. And Cordy? How did she whine all the time? In season 1 and 2 of Buffy, sure, but then getting into season three, she changed, and in Angel, whoa, big change, she became a higher being for frigs sake. Most of your opinions were completely biased, and the only one I agree with was about Riley.

 

[Crazy Flakes]

Well, Clem Rocks, even though I disagree, you're entitled to your opinion...

But am I the only person who thought the Angel characters were much less entertaining and layered than the Buffy ones? I mean, they're both really great shows, but I like Buffy more because I'm much more drawn to the characters.

 

[Joyce Summers]

But am I the only person who thought the Angel characters were much less entertaining and layered than the Buffy ones? I mean, they're both really great shows, but I like Buffy more because I'm much more drawn to the characters

Crazy Flakes- you have just voiced EXACTLY how I feel about the Angel characters. I completely agree. I mean I love Angel and every character but they never reached me on the same level the Buffy people did. With Buffy characters you always seemed to know their history, their likes, their dislikes. Whatever action they did, no matter how crazy, we understood why because we knew the characters extremely well and so understood them also.

Angel characters were great but never seemed to have that same depth.

 

[Bad Boy Irish]

wat was the point in this Thread

Why would you even waist your time in thinking about such a thread let alone making, why do you think people watch the shows or join forums like these unless they like there characters from each show. Sure each character has ther flaws, but that is what makes them and the shows so great, they should have never cancled ANGEL!! it was jsut getting better, although i have to agree with you about Cordillea i was hated her, the only good thing about her was when she got kicked off the show and they wouldnt take her back huray!!!!!!!!

 

[nerd4hire]

I don't know Joyce Summers, and Crazy Flakes. I don't want to sound mean here, but I can't help thinking if you're making a connection between ease of personal connection and character depth, or character layers, life either has some unpleasant surprises for you, or it has already served you a few.

People like politicians, con men, and car salesmen make a living out of being able to make such easy connections. The fact you like somebody doesn't imply depth, or layers to their character. Angel characters are possibly darker than Buffy ones, but that in no way implies they're shallow.

 

[Joyce Summers]

People like politicians, con men, and car salesmen make a living out of being able to make such easy connections. The fact you like somebody doesn't imply depth, or layers to their character. Angel characters are possibly darker than Buffy ones, but that in no way implies they're shallow.

No, no I didn't mean the characters themselves were shallow. Not at all. I thought the characters on Angel were just as full of depth and meaning as they were on Buffy. All of them had many, many layers (Most particularly Wes who was like an utter onion. But the yummy kind. Haha). What I meant was, we didn't get the in-depth history behind the characters as we did on Buffy. The only person whose history we knew in detail on Angel was well...Angel. And for me to feel a deeper connection with a character I personally like to feel like I've taken their life journey with them, I know that much about them. I mean I feel like I've known Willow since her yellow-crayon-breaking days and her and Xander during the we-hate-Cordelia club, that I knew Buffy before L.A...and that's what gives me a deeper connection to the characters. That sense of...well, family-like history.

On Angel I never felt I got that. But I definitely didn't mean I thought the actual characters had a lack of depth. The characters themselves were very depthy. As I said; many layers.

I hope that explanation made sense...I may have babbled. A lot.

 

[eunsoma]

Go Cordy woot for Cordy

 

[TheHeartist]

Ok so i was sitting here the other night and i realise, must of the characters in Buffy and Angel suck, i mean really, think about it.

Buffy - Meh, she was ok at times.
Willow - She had her uses sometimes i suppose.
Xander - Well he was just a prat, why they even had him in Buffy is beyond me.
Giles - The first actual good character on Buffy, always there for a good laugh and had the potential to be an even bigger character.
Dawn - One of the best out of all the characters, extremely underrated.
Faith - Should have been the main slayer, was way more entertaining than Buffy.
Anya - Someone should have said "Bunnies" repeatedly to her on her first appearance until she left and never came back.
Tara - Did she ever become more than just scenery? She wasn't even good scenery. =/
Oz - C'mon, Oz was an idiot, i assume he was just there to make the others look better
Andrew - Had his uses, mostly just for us to laugh at and give Xander someone to talk to.
Riley - Oh god, don't even get me started on him!
Spike - Ok, let's be honest, how many of us watched Buffy just to see how awesome Spike was?

Atleast Angel had better characters

Angel, Spike, Wes, Fred, Illyria, Lorne - All brilliant, not a bad thing about any of them
Gunn - Was always inbetween boring and cool
Cordy - Why, WHY, was she ever in either program? All she did was whine, bitch and moan =| The only character i can think of worse than Cordy is Darla D=
Harmony - Always hilarious, should have been in it since season 1
Lindsey and Conner - Eh, atleast they became good in season 5



So guys, discuss, why we all love Buffy and Angel when most of the characters suck? and which characters can you absolutely not stand and wish were never in Buffy/Angel?

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[Entiel]

since you hate all characters why do you watch the show?:s
I love them all(others more others less but all nevertheless)
I just couldn't understand the meaning of a post that criticizes without actual facts some characters in a site that is made by those who love 'em...anyway your opinion and your free will so I guess that's all..hf

 

[Hello Cutie]

Wow. So you watch Buffy and Angel because?? Don't tell me, the wit and catchy one-liners.

But seriously, you're entitled to your opinion. But you're wrong. Sorry, you just are.

Also, I just feel like if you dislike the characters this much, you're on the wrong forum, love. This is for fans of Buffy and Angel... not the 'we hate all the characters in the Buffyverse because they are pointless, meaningless and rubbish, except Dawn who is argueably the most annoying of the lot anyway' forum. Infact, I don't think that forum exists, but you're welcome to try and find it! 🙂

Maybe I'm just not seeing your point here, but how can someone be a fan of a programme where you hate the majority of the characters?!

 

[Blondie Bear]

Who resurrected this thread and why?! Let it die!!

 

[T.I.P]

Clem Rocks? Im suprised at how much you dislike quality characters, but your favorite is.... Clem.... that just says it all.
The main best thing about both the shows is the fact most of the characters are amazing.
If i take away the ones i hate, which would only really be Illyria and Gwen, almost everyone else in the Buffyverse were, for whatever reason, very interesting.
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Haha, great thread, just been reading through it there. Some people are too funny, getting seriously worked up and stuff.
I mean, who dosnt love reading these sort of threads, its better than everyone agreeing with each other.

 

[Lou]

I don't know, I can see SOME of where you're coming from. At least as far as being helpful in a crisis. Anya, Oz, Dawn, Cordy, Xander...none of them were overly helpful when it came to the nitty gritty dirty work. But, they did have their place. If only in the amusing banter. In fact, most of Oz's lines in general give me the giggles. Which IS something important, even if it's not in demon killing.
But I think that the fact that none of them were SUPER and all had flaws (except maybe Illyria) was part of their greatness.
I don't think it would have been nearly a good show if everyone kicked butt all the time!

 

[JollyApe]

But of course they sucked. That's why we are here. Flawless superheroes seldom get cult-followings, or well they do, but for other reasons.

Though some of your opinions might be a little personal there is definitely some truth to it. Tara was definitely an underdeveloped character that was mainly only used as eye-candy and a plot-device. Xander was in many was a selfish prat, but that's what made him human. That said there really aren't any characters I can't stand. I'm actually rather fond of the show as it is, with flaws, humanity and everything.