Your Opinion on Homosexuality.

[Mindfiend]

While straight, I have no issues with homosexuality at all. I believe people are just people and that's all that matters, and you get good and bad of every kind, wise and idiots too. All you should do is judge each individual on their own merit and give them a fair chance.

 

[Taake]

In the past, I might have sugarcoated this, but I don't necessarily always think being passive is the way to be anymore. Simply put, if you are against gay rights, you are a bad person. You can hide behind religion all you want to (after all, so did the slaveowners and surely we shouldn't hold ourselves to a higher standard than them!), but until you can give me a reasonable, rational reason why gay people should be treated any differently than anyone else. You can throw out terms like "traditional marriage" all you want to as well (because surely marriage hasn't changed at all in the past few hundred years!).

I support gay rights, I'm bi, I have tons of friends who are gay/transexual... you name it... That said once I would have agreed with you, that being against gay rights made you a bad person.

I don't think like that anymore. For me that's just a different sort of hate and narrow-mindedness. I'm more interested in knowing why they think like they do and how they came to that conclusion (belief is not always rational) so that I might understand where they're coming from. Perhaps I find them less informed, or simply just different from me, but I think it's a dangerous thing to go around and point fingers calling people out as "bad". That's not helping anyone, personally or by cause, and is more likely to incite more fear and hate than it's likely to help.

 

[Big Damn Hero]

I love this man.

To be honest, I actually don't understand why it could be an issue for some people. I wouldn't like to see two blokes with their tounges down each others throats in public, but not because they're the same sex. I'd be just as "get a ****ing room" if it were a male/female. In fact, probably more so. If you're gay and I don't like you, it's not because you're gay, it's because you're a douche. I do think Transgender awareness needs to step up a bit more. Two of my best friends are FtoM transgender and they're the best people in the world.

 

[Litheran]

Those comments kept me smiling all through my shift; thank you very much.

I'm a big Kevin Smith fan and one of my favorite movies is Chasing Amy; because it touches on some very important issues about sexual identity and how people love who they love; regardless of the wrapping.

If you're all very good I might just tell you about my friend Travis and his misadventure to indulge in the delight of ménage à  trois...I probably won't but it is such a horribly awesome story.

 

[Nikita]

Those comments kept me smiling all through my shift; thank you very much.

I'm a big Kevin Smith fan and one of my favorite movies is Chasing Amy; because it touches on some very important issues about sexual identity and how people love who they love; regardless of the wrapping.

If you're all very good I might just tell you about my friend Travis and his misadventure to indulge in the delight of ménage à  trois...I probably won't but it is such a horribly awesome story.

If you don't tell us, I will rip out your throat.

 

[methos]

awwww, a ménage à  trois... how quaint lol

tell us 😀

M

 

[Kean]

Personally, I could do with having some more gay in my life. Some of the absolute BEST human beings I know are gay.

As far as I am concerned there is no creed that you can hide behind to espouse anti-equality sentiment. It doesn't make it OK, in fact it makes it worse.

There is so much hate in this world that we are even trying to get in the way of love. It blows my mind. To actually find someone that you love and loves you back is a thing of beauty. What the FECK does it matter if that person is man or a woman? We should be celebrating it. Not trying to ruin it.

*STRONG LANGUAGE*

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TMTrpugT0E[/ame]

 

[Litheran]

Is it wrong that those words next to an Eliza picture make me want to keep my lips pursed even more?

Travis is my former manager and I would describe him as a somewhat effeminate Ethan Hawke. Well apparently one night Travis went to the club and met a couple. They all started partying together; once they'd gotten sufficiently pissed (I love british slang); they decided to head up to the hot springs an hour and a half away. When they got there they apparently all went au natural and jumped in. Unfortunately for Travis someone had discarded of a beer bottle in there and ended up cutting his foot pretty bad.

The couple that he was with made him drive himself back an hour and a half to the hospital to get stitches; and then had him come drive them home. As bad as I felt for him listening to that the first time I still almost lost my bladder laughing.

Any time he gets out of line now I just ask him this question.

"Travis; what do you get when you set a mattress on fire?"

"..........."

"Hot springs!"

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

I hope this doesn't turn out like the "political spectrum" thread where everyone just ended up arguing about abortion. :sigh:

Are you asking us if we think gays deserve equal rights as everyone else? Of course they do. Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot.

The term phobia implies fear. If you dont support gay rights because, for example, its against your religion, it doesnt mean youre afraid of them. Hence my dislike of the term.Posted via Mobile Device

So, what term do you prefer, then, if you don't mind me asking?

Discrimination?

Quick addition here in regards to the 'human rights' segment of the first post... i've actually found that homosexual people actually have more rights than a lot of my friends... now hear me out before arguing here... a lot of my friends are into BDSM and alternative sexual practices... and it todays society, even in england, if its found out that you're into BDSM or anything 'alternative' like that, you can actually loose your job over it...

I'm not kidding... I've known people that have lost their jobs because their sexual predications became public knowledge, they've had their children taken away and some even threatened with jail time just because they enjoy what most people consider 'alternative' sexual practices.

While being homosexual is now openly talked about in the general world, it only pushed other alternative sexual lives further under the curtain and made people more afraid and intolerant of them.

M

Wow, that's terrible. I can't imagine that happening here. People would take to the streets.

*This post is rated mature for awkwardness and adult topics*

I was raised predominantly by my mother after my biological father shot himself. From age five to twelve she was a single mother and she raised me to respect all people based on who they are; not what they are. My father (stepdad) came into the picture when I was twelve and he's from Alabama and semi-religious. Much to my surprise though he had the same view as my mother that you should judge people on their actions and not their labels.

So going into my teens I didn't care whether people lived their life differently from mine; what's the fun in only hanging around a bunch of yous all day. At thirteen I went to my first "real" party; beer on tap and weed being smoked in the garage. Saw my crush there momentarily, which kind of brought me down. Had my first and eventually my sixth beer; convinced my buddy to sneak some whiskey out of his dad's liquor cabinet, and went to the garage to share a joint with one of my D&D buddies.

I woke up the next morning and found myself in the bathroom; one of my sisters pseudo friends was taking advantage of my inebriated state. Definitely one of the top three worst experiences of my life so far.

I don't know if that would have made me a homophobe had the rumor not been started; for the next year or so gossip hounds twisted the tale; saying that it was mutual. Suddenly people I'd known since grade school were calling me names to my face and one or two people even tried to start a fight. After one of my former football player friends walked away black and blue the story died down and I managed to put most of it behind me.

That school year made me think about what had happened as opposed to just being depressed or angry. I have a few gay friends; some know about what happened, others don't. I prefer not to talk about it because I don't want sympathy or to make it seem like I'm relating to their experiences. I guess the reason I'm talking about it now is because how I came to terms with my anger was by realizing that he didn't do that because he was gay. Sadism is why that happened to me; so I heard some words of wisdom...and (mostly) let it be.

So I see no reason why anyone should feel the right to lash out for lack of understanding another individuals life.

We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all [humankind] are created equal...

Not equal as the same; but equal in our own personal right to be who we truly are.

Regards,
Litheran

This is a really nice post, Litheran. I'm glad you shared it with us. That must have been tough.

P.S. Doesn't mean I wouldn't give James an extra long hug though; I'm straight, not blind. 😱

When I meet him at the Comicon in March, I'll give him a hug for you. 😉

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"Travis; what do you get when you set a mattress on fire?"

"..........."

"Hot springs!"

So, one of my more charming qualities is my inabilty to "get" innuendo. Seriously. My friends make fun of me for it. You have to really spell things out to me sometimes. I can never tell when guys are hitting on me.

The other day I was hanging around my favorite bar with this guy, Chris, that I'm sorta casually seeing. After a while, this couple walks up to us. We start chatting, and I'm totally oblivious of course. So, eventually, the girls like,

"So, are you two in an OR? If so, we'd love to take you both home."

Me, the drunken moron, thought she meant OR for Operating Room (probobly because of all that Nip/Tuck I've been watching lately) so I reply,

"OR? Huh? Why would we need to be taken to the OR? We're fine."

Chris starts laughing and says,

"Becky, they want to know if we want to have a foursome with them."

I turn beet read, and mumble some "no thanks" and retreat to the bar for another drink. Thankfully when I got back to my table they were gone, and Chris was still laughing at me.

Ok, so I know that doesn't really have to do with the topic, but I thought it was amusing in retrospect. 🙂

Apaprently, open relationships are all the rage now.

 

[MRNewman]

For those Americans here - the US Senate just voted by 63-33 vote margin to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," thereby allowing homosexual members of the armed forced to serve openly. It will now be heading to the President's desk for signature. You can read more here.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

Obama'll sing it. I know it. If he doesn't...wow, I can't imagine how people will react.

 

[Lilah]

*jumps up and down* I'm gay! *waves* It's a hard life, and for 5yrs now I have kept my family in the dark, how much longer can I keep it from them!

 

[Mumrik]

I love gay people. In fact, I love them so much I sleep with them on a semi-regular basis. (sw) Well, the women anyway.

 

[mayfever]

I love gay people. In fact, I love them so much I sleep with them on a semi-regular basis. (sw) Well, the women anyway.

I would too, except my gaydar is way off when it comes to women. Seriously, I can *never* tell if a girl is straight or not (except the really, s'cuse me, "butch" ones, and I don't really go for that type). I'm not even 50/50 bi anyway, meaning a girl has to be pretty stunning for me to fall for her - I tend to fancy men and fall in love with girls. Weird, huh.

 

[faeriegrrl27]

I don't really like to call myself "bi," but I guess that's what I am. I like people. And I dislike people. It's not about sexuality or sex or gender; it's about people. Right now, I have a boyfriend, but I've also had girlfriends. I've liked girls, I've liked guys. I like people. And I think the fact that who a person loves can get in the way of legal rights is ridiculous. With all the truly awful stuff going on, what could be the problem with a little more love in the world?

 

[EuroBirdV8]

no issue for me. i'm hetero. but dont hate people wo like their same gender.
i have respect for everyone. only one thing i want is that they do the same by me.
lesbians, or gay men. transexuals or transgenders. everyone has their own problems. and everyone has the same right to live.

anyone who dont, they have maybe a big personal problem?

 

[theroyalgoat]

I'm gay. I really don't like most of the gay guys I meet though. So I guess I'm a homo-homophobe. I think we should have the same rights of course, but the problem is that we're not just asking for equality, in some situations we're asking for preferrential treatment. We want to be able to rip people to shreds and call it being bitchy and fun, but when someone does the same to us we demand blood. And beyond that, I've seen an imense amount of paranoia in the gay community. Not everything bad that happens to us is because of some evil homophobe out to kick us in the gut. Not too long ago a friend of mine lost his job and he deserved to lose it, he was always, always late. And when he was there he did a crap job, but they kept letting it slide and giving him chances and being, in my opinion, really understanding, but eventually they had enough and let him go. He organized a protest outside their building. He was so convinced that it was because he was gay...it couldn't possibly be because he was a horrible employee and when I tried to calm him down about it, I got labeled a self-hating queer. That's just one example, but by far it's not the only one I have.

I just think that we're feeling really entitled to this idea of equality that we lose touch with reality on certain subjects.

 

[MRNewman]

I'm gay. I really don't like most of the gay guys I meet though. So I guess I'm a homo-homophobe. I think we should have the same rights of course, but the problem is that we're not just asking for equality, in some situations we're asking for preferrential treatment. We want to be able to rip people to shreds and call it being bitchy and fun, but when someone does the same to us we demand blood. And beyond that, I've seen an imense amount of paranoia in the gay community. Not everything bad that happens to us is because of some evil homophobe out to kick us in the gut. Not too long ago a friend of mine lost his job and he deserved to lose it, he was always, always late. And when he was there he did a crap job, but they kept letting it slide and giving him chances and being, in my opinion, really understanding, but eventually they had enough and let him go. He organized a protest outside their building. He was so convinced that it was because he was gay...it couldn't possibly be because he was a horrible employee and when I tried to calm him down about it, I got labeled a self-hating queer. That's just one example, but by far it's not the only one I have.

I just think that we're feeling really entitled to this idea of equality that we lose touch with reality on certain subjects.

That last line hit the nail on the head - a lot of groups act that way, focus so much on equality that in the end they lose sight of what they were focusing on and cry foul at the drop of the hat. Kind of like in the US those who cry "racist" when anyone disagrees with Obama's policies or when conservatives cried "Un-American" when people opposed Bush's foreign policy plans back in the day. It's silly and counterproductive to each of their causes.

 

[Litheran]

Glad to hear that something's being done about don't ask, don't tell. I'm in the process of (hopefully) joining the military and the notion of it being "this mans army" is outdated. I think the politicians fought it for so long because it's convenient to deny someone their rights if you don't have to acknowledge that they serve their country as well.

Thanks for the support and well wishes; would have liked to know you folks when it happened. Wasn't exactly handled well by the adults back then. That event oddly enough ties into why Spike means so much to me. Both of us found ourselves at a party where we were spurned by someone we adored; followed by a dark experience that transformed us....still working on turning this bad boy into a good man.

Haven't yet found my slayer. 😉

 

[InsaneMystic]

Apaprently, open relationships are all the rage now.

That's because it's a damn good concept. Monogamous commitments = big no. 😛


More on topic...
Of course LGBT should have equal rights. I don't think there's anything wrong about, on a personal level, being icked out by some sexual ways to swing (I'll freely admit that anything involving penises icks me out - hetero makes me ewwww as much as male gay), but a personal preference of one's own sex life should never be used to tell anyone else how to live theirs, let alone brand them as a better or worse person. As long as it's between mutually consenting adults, whatever happens in the bedroom (or elsewhere) is nobody's business to judge over but the participants themselves.