Question Your thoughts on the United Airlines public relations disaster?

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A re-cap for those of you who HAVEN'T heard about this: In a nutshell, a passenger who refused to give up his seat (after United Airlines staff randomly selected him and a few other paying customers) was DRAGGED off the plane by law enforcement. At first, United claimed the flight was overbooked...but in fact, it turns out they needed seats for some unexpected employees who needed to fly! (Bastards!)

The man was bloodied, knocked unconscious, and now requires cosmetic surgery. "Public relations nightmare" is an understatement. United's image is now taking a severe beating (no pun intended).

Your thoughts?


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and now requires cosmetic surgery.

😱 Just dragging someone off a plane for that reasons seems like it would've been bad enough, but knocking him unconcious and roughing him up so he needs plastic surgery... did the guards have some pent up anger management issues or something? Wow, yeah that is a PR nightmare. I guess he struggled a lot, but that still seems like overkill for vacating a seat. Tell your employees to take the next flight, gees. 🙄

How are they defending their behaviour?
 
😱 Just dragging someone off a plane for that reasons seems like it would've been bad enough, but knocking him unconcious and roughing him up so he needs plastic surgery... did the guards have some pent up anger management issues or something? Wow, yeah that is a PR nightmare. I guess he struggled a lot, but that still seems like overkill for vacating a seat. Tell your employees to take the next flight, gees. 🙄

How are they defending their behaviour?

At first, they tried digging up dirt fron the man's past and releasing it to the media. That was stupid, and it didn't work. Then they claimed he was "belligerent." (Like THAT justified what happened!)

They've given up trying to defend themselves, and are changing some policies. But they're still going to be vilified for a long while. Good!
 
But they're still going to be vilified for a long while. Good!

Im glad, what they did to him was terrible and uncalled for. Why would they put free flights of their employees over their paying customers anyway. None of them should have had to get off the plane let alone be beaten and dragged off.
 
I think the aftermath by United was more telling; tactless internal memo leaks, abdicating any responsibility for what happened, attempting ho smear the victim (claiming that he was belligerent and aggressive- this was a lie), and a simple refusal to apologize until it hurt their profit margin. Just awful RP skills.

The overbooking thing is used by many airlines but usually they offer more money to passengers 'volunteering' to leave the plane. The victim had a legitimate reason to refuse- he repeatedly said that he was a doctor- but was man-handled so roughly that he lost two teeth in the process. Completely indefensible.
 
Right. Fake news. The plane was not United nor was it overbooked.
 
It wasn't overbooked after they brought the employees on board, and it was not a United plane.
 
This entire story shows incredibly well how sensationalism works on the internet and this usually results into fake news.

I have to say it was covered quite nicely on the Dutch news and they did a nice story on how overbooking works and why they do this. It was actually quite educational 🙂. Still don't understand why it was covered here in the first place, but then again the Dutch love all things American. I know plenty of Dutch people who understand the American electoral system better than the Dutch one. By the way, the Dutch one is much less complicated!
 
It doesn't matter whose plane it was. The Airline I work for uses other carriers planes quite frequently.....but any codeshare flight still represents the host carrier.
It should say on the ticket......United Airlines...operated by Republic....
If it was a 'Republic' plane & crew they were representing United for that sector.......it's how it works. United need to seriously review their codeshare agreements.

Another thing....I'm pretty sure Airport security should not have been used to remove a passenger (Unless the FAA have changed their rules recently).
If he was being violent it was a matter for the Police. If not it was purely an Airline issue......they cannot use outside security to do their dirty work for them.....

Most British registered Airlines, if they need to relocate crew, will offer fare paying passengers money to take a later flight if the plane is full. If they cannot find
anyone willing to 'offplane' (which I have never heard of happening as there are always people willing to take a later flight for most of their fare back) the crew don't go!
United/Republic either have a really bad system there or someone screwed up badly!

Looks like United, Republic, and whoever runs Airport security there have all got some explaining to do......
 
For me the worst thing (apart from that happened to the guy, obviously) was the initial statement from the airline, in which they apologized only for the flight being "overbooked" and didn't at all acknowledge what happened to that passenger. For me, that was terrible PR and made themselves look 100x worse. Yeah, a video emerges of a paying customer being involuntarily and forcibly removed, injured and bloodied, who did nothing wrong, and they respond "We apologize for the flight being overbooked." How heartless.
 
A United Airways plane operated by republic airways.
They told the fourth person to get off the plane repeatedly before he was forcibly evicted and the airline said it had nothing to do with it, what a load of crap!
 
This was not overbooking. The passenger had a boarding card and was sitting in his assigned seat, so a different set of laws applies, namely 14 CFR 250.2a which states that passengers can only be kicked off a plane for certain specific violations and none of them apply here.

The gate agent said the passenger was "unruly" when there are a number of witnesses who say he was not. He ended up with a concussion, a broken nose and two missing teeth.

Airport security are not law enforcement officers. They do not carry guns and have limited rights. They could be sued.

He was not offered $800 in US dollars, he was offered $800 in travel vouchers and the vouchers could not be combined to cover one flight like $800 off a $1000 flight - it had to be spread out over several flights. FAA regulations require the airline to make the offer in writing, which they did not do. They are also required to offer up to $1350 in cash, not funny money.

United has an unsavoury history - they kicked a girl off a flight because she was autistic, they forced two girls off another plane because they were wearing leggings and they destroyed a musician's guitar and got a song called "United Breaks Guitars" written by the musician that went viral several years ago. They also kicked a company CEO off a flight from Hawaii to LA and threatened to take him off the plane in handcuffs and he had a first-class seat. He is suing.

Their previous United CEO has been convicted of felony conspiracy and two of his senior executives resigned in disgrace. They had traded favours - United got to build a new hangar in exchange for United opening a new route from Newark to Columbia SC.

The doctor's wife was on board. I don't know if she was also selected to leave.

The selection process for deciding who leaves the plane has not been made public. It may involve racism or racial profiling.

United hired investigators to dig up dirt on the passenger.

Joya Griffin Cummings, put this on her Facebook account after being seated right behind the doctor:

"Update on United Flight 3411 to Louisville:
Thank you to all of the friends and friends of friends who shared my video of Dr. Dao before he was forcibly removed from our flight. For getting the word out that this passenger was no more "irate or belligerent" than any weary passenger after a long day of travel would be. He just wanted to go home, had to work the next day and did not feel it was right to have to give up his seat, a seat he was already sitting in upon the plane. The airline was not able to get him home until after 2 pm Monday afternoon. He was irritated as any passenger would be, questioning why he was chosen and explaining that he was a doctor and had patients to see in the morning. I was not concerned for my safety, nor that of my toddler's or for my pregnancy until the police were called aboard our plane to remove him. I was worried about what a physical altercation would entail with us sitting directly behind him and if the officers were armed in a tiny, confined space.

The media is now performing a character assassination in attempts to excuse the airline's treatment of this individual, a human being and child of God. It is disappointing and disgusting to me that our society is so depraved that big business and organizations have no care for individual rights and treat people this way. My heart breaks for this man and his family who have now been literally drug off a plane, and are now being drug through the mud. All of this for sticking to principal and wanting to sleep in one's own bed as the remaining non-volunteering passengers on the flight had wanted.

Last night while putting our son to bed, a United Airlines representative called to offer apologies and a full refund of our tickets. This is a small gesture for the horror that everyone experienced on that plane and what the world is experiencing now at this injustice. I hope and pray for policy change, for better rights as a consumer, for lack of fear of racial profiling and discrimination by authorities, for no more instances of police brutality or brutality against the police, for an end to terrorism stateside and abroad, for a safer more compassionate world for my children. The more the videos of the flight play, the more my heart breaks for Dr. Dao and our community as a whole. Things must change. America, we can and must do better."

This link takes you to a video that Joya shot from the seat directly behind Dr. Dao as the situation unfolded. Watch it and then try to convince people that the doctor was irate or belligerent. He was simply firm about the fact that he wasn't giving up his seat.

https://www.facebook.com/joya.griffi...3875195474005/

This is a Rosa Parks moment for an industry that has ridden roughshod over customer rights for decades. China is considering rescinding United's landing rights. I hope the FAA investigates because its deliberations will be public. (You can bet when the passenger sues, one of the conditions is that no public announcement of the settlement will be made.) I hope an additional invasion of privacy suit will be launched about United hiring investigators to discredit the passenger. I hope United is driven into bankruptcy. And I hope criminal charges are laid against United employees (for lying to security about the passenger being unruly) and corporate decisions like this can be considered criminal acts by corporate decision-makers who can be tried and convicted for their crimes.
 
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