Anyone heard the Doctor Who news?

Fuffy Baith refers to her as a doctor but she couldn't have been a doctor, she married the doctor She was the ' child of the Tardis ' having been conceived on the Tardis.
No, I didn't mean she was literally the Doctor, I know she was conceived in the Tardis. I just meant that the writers were trying to make her like a female version of the doctor.
 
ILLYRIAN
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Point taken, understood and agreed.
I think they'll try and go for a recognisable named Doctor as a replacement to try and bring people back to the show. Even though Matt Smith was unknown at the time he was cast (and turned out to be one of the best Doctors, if not THE best Doctor, of New Who so far), the show could afford to take that risk because of the high ratings from the Tennant era. However, the show needs to bring viewers back to try and garner higher ratings and an unknown actor won't be enough to do that. People might tune in to that first episode out of curiosity (which they did with Jodie's first episode) but their viewership won't be held unless the actor absolutely knocks it out of the park alongside the story.

The show also needs to go back to its self-contained episodes format.
 
Capaldi and Tennant were both better than Smith.

No way was Capaldi better than Smith. Capaldi was considerably worse but that could be because Smith set the bar so high. The only reason why I give Smith the edge over Tennant is because Tennant was so good that anyone who followed him would have some big shoes to fill and Smith successfully did that despite being practically unknown at the time. Capaldi failed to fill Smith's shoes after he left, though a lot of Capaldi's failure could be blamed on the millstone around his neck known as Clara Oswald and the poor writing. The show got bad during Capaldi's era under Moffatt, it got worse during Jodie's era under Chibnall.
 
Some of my own postings about what is needed next (with some debate from Gallifrey Base):

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Still pulling for Tom Ellis (Lucifer has finished filming) or Michael Sheen.

Both have actually been in DW and have extremely positive good will amongst the right fans (including all the lapsed female ones that were driven away in droves) the show desperately needs to get back. Ellis, in particular, could bring the show back up to the popularity of Tennant and Smith.

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If you actually want the audience back that is still crying out for Tennant and Smith, you're going to have to cast someone who actually appeals to the fans (especially female) that were driven off in droves. These would be good will picks that would signal those lost fans that the show is serious about wanting them back by casting someone they probably already love.

Tom Ellis (if you really want must-see TV the scale of Tennant) or Michael Sheen would be that sort of signal.

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Have you just seen Miranda/his brief appearance as Martha's ex or have you actually seen Lucifer? Because the last thing Tom Ellis is is dull. He's incredibly larger than life and charismatic. I don't think anyone who has watched Lucifer would ever describe that performance as "dull". Lucifer is also now over. Gravitas and pathos are also in his wheelhouse, not just comedy and flamboyance. There's also the potential to make the Doctor more of a larger-than-life man of action or romantic lead again.

Michael Sheen is also charismatic and would also appeal to the fans who are also screaming out for a more middle-aged performer, while also appealing to even younger females who fell in love with him in Good Omens who weren't necessarily familiar with his long career before that. It was also a performance with a lot of endearing warmth (from an actor known for edgier fare) that the Doctor needs to signal that good will, while at the same time promising some real potential for gravitas and pathos.

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How about we just focus on making Doctor Who popular again? And you're going to need women back.

I know it's difficult to accept here and amongst those in denial that the show is in real trouble after the last two incarnations not remotely setting the world on fire.

The BBC and Gallifrey Base both might have to suck up the fact that in order to get women back (the women who weren't easily flattered by a female Doctor or political posturing--indeed, it actually broke the fantasy for a lot of us who dreamed less of being a CBeebies presenter in space and more of being whisked away from our boring lives by a larger-than-life, handsome hero), they're going to have to cast someone more like David Tennant and Matt Smith again.

The show is on its last legs, so might as well try a hail Mary to bring back the lapsed fangirls, which absolutely flooded into the fandom during the RTD and early Moffat years. It's no mistake that RTD had Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel: the Series in mind as inspirations on how to make Doctor Who appealing to this new generation of genre fiction-savvy female fans (and he could actually relate to liking the things we were fond of). Doctor Who used to be part of our major multifandom loves, but has dropped off the map entirely now into irrelevance.

Even back during the origins of the show, they understood they needed an Ian Chesterton to balance out the grandfatherly lead, until the Doctor himself soon became the Ian Chesterton type and a swashbuckling hero (there were even subtle romantic elements in Classic Who) in his own right.

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I've seen an awful lot of comments comparing the current incarnation to being a Tennant/Smith ripoff, but I think that's an incredible misunderstanding of RTD or Moffat's takes on the character. I think Jodie guessed at what those incarnations were like from the most vapid descriptions and working with Tennant in Broadchurch, but having no real idea of what their Doctors were actually like. She has an incomplete understanding from having never watched the show, even of the eras she knows are popular and what she's heard about them (falsely).

Den of Geek recently published an article on this very subject, but confused the audience not remembering what RTD/Tennant's portrayal was (Ten fans absolutely *do* remember) with what I rather think is the current makers of the show and the media not remembering.

The meatier elements contributed a lot more to what made the incarnation popular than they give it credit for and those are wholly absent from the surface-level copycat. Not only that, RTD was quite cynical about happy endings and preferred bittersweet tragedies (Moffat was largely the opposite). And very unlike the current writing, RTD hung lampshades on when the Doctor was falling from grace or making a gray decision. It was never swept under the rug and ignored. It was faced head on as the part of the narrative that most resembles the long-form storytelling still in vogue today. That *was* the real story that was building.

The new incarnation didn't merely steal RTD's format, it actually regressed it by stripping out all of the interpersonal ongoing dramatic narratives and acknowledgment of character flaws.

Part of the increasing emphasis on long-form storytelling (something that did begin in '90s American television!) in the age of streaming to the point of fewer standalone Monster of the Week episodes (which is a format old as dirt, though The X-Files and Buffy the Vampire Slayer gave it its modern form alongside an overarching mystery or seasonal Big Bads), or seemingly episodic adventures that still contribute to the overall arc (RTD seeding in Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Vote Saxon, planets disappearing and knock four times, while building on individual character arcs vs. Moffat's building of a timey-whimey mystery), is having ongoing story elements that are percolating in the background of every adventure. Even the most innocuous MotW will have major character moments building up a multi-season character journey and an unfolding arc/mystery in the background.

In the age of streaming, while there are fewer MotWs (though certainly not in shows like Supernatural, which kept its retro old WB format going all the way through last year!), the emphasis on character development and multi-episode/season long-form arcs has actually grown, not regressed. Doctor Who has gone *backwards* in this regard since Moffat left. The consequences of the last episode need to matter in the next.

The comments section is even more revealing than the article.

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(My post from Den of Geek.)

Ten fans LOVE Time Lord Victorious and his tragic hero's journey.

It had significant setup with the Time War (believing he'd had no choice but to genocide his own race and that he was the last Time Lord), his flighty reaction towards facing his own immortality amongst companions with the lives of mayflies, his reaction to losing Rose and then how it affected his treatment of Martha and Donna. He was the Doctor who seemed most human on the surface and the incarnation most tempted by humanity, yet often fled to the other extreme by becoming his most alien self in response to loss.

The fatalistic streak was seeded into his incarnation in episodes like The Runaway Bride, which ends with a genocide and near suicide. He swings wildly from being one of the most seemingly happy, human Doctors, to being the darkest and most alien. Human Nature/The Family of Blood was more fallout from him being unwilling to tell Rose before it was too late, then only admitting it after he'd lost her and using it to push away others, and a story where he faces the temptation of humanity only for it to bring out his most alien, darkest side. It was yet another one of these stories that led to him breaking the laws of time in The Waters of Mars.

Ten as the epic, romantic, tragic Doctor is one of the reasons we love him so much. It's the very thing that separates him from most incarnations.

Den of Geek has apparently never asked any.

What the current incarnation is getting so wrong about trying to copy Tennant's portrayal to other Doctors is that *they* forget that he wasn't just a happy, funny incarnation. They're missing those key ingredients of epic, angsty tragedy; of the temptation of love and inevitable loss. His journey is of a fall. He was compared to an angel, only to turn out to be a fallen one. It was the incarnation's very humanity, like Icarus flying too close to the sun, that exposed how much the Doctor can't be human and made him feel the most alien of all. It's the storyline that dared to tempt the Doctor with what he most wants, yet can never have.

Russell T Davies was inspired by Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel when he brought back the show. The character that the Doctor most resembles is Angel. It's the tragedy of the immortal who loses everyone they've ever loved. It's the outsider who can build himself a family of fellow misfits and pretend to be human, but can never truly fit in and is always the one left out looking in on a life they can never have. If he dares to forget that he's not human and get too close, that humanity is ripped right from under him (quite literally Angel's curse). They are also both characters capable of the most amazingly heroic, sacrificial and selfless things, yet also some of the most morally gray, teetering on the edge of villainous and deeply tragic. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. They're characters often forced to do terrible things not because they want to, but because there's no other choice. RTD's writing never shied away from the flaws and tragedy of the inspiration.

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(Some of this was a debate with burrunjor.)

Sorry to tell you this, but I just watched all 11 seasons not long ago. It took Scully 8 seasons before she remotely ever took on the believer role at the cost of looking daft in about half of the stories where that continuous denial and skepticism was starting to look less than scientific. Becoming a true believer began only after Mulder left and got replaced by newcomer Doggett.

Scully would very much still be in denial after the Autons. LOL. She saw far crazier crap than that without changing her outlook.

While it was rather disastrous for the show to lose Mulder (whose backstory and life mission was tied to the alien conspiracy plot bubbling under the whole show--spoilers, but the Cigarette Smoking Man is his biological father!), it did at least give Scully a greater chance of being right about cases that were majority paranormal when it was Doggett instead being the skeptical one. The few times prior that she got a chance to be right were when her religious beliefs (her Catholicism was the one little contradiction in her otherwise scientific approach) made her the believer and Mulder the skeptic.

The lopsided scorecard was a hazard of being the one tasked with looking for scientific explanations in a paranormal/sci-fi show, even if she could contribute expertise mostly from the forensic table. Mulder is the one who had the encyclopedia of paranormal phenomena in his head and tended to do a lot of rescuing. It was actually getting on my nerves how often Mulder rescued Scully, even if she finally got some chances to fight back (bathtub creep Donnie Pfaster comes to mind).

Mulder wasn't too far from the portrayal of the Third Doctor, minus the respect due to those in authority and coworkers thinking "Spooky Mulder" was insane and not in a respected way. Mulder was also a wannabe Indiana Jones-meets-John Book (Witness--Mulder even references it) with all of his breaking and entering, riding on top of a train and skyride, etc..., so the action man role wasn't out of his wheelhouse either. Absolutely an outsider trying to work barely within the confines of the law and authority.

The Doctor has a lot of similarities with many male leads from American television.

If you read my quoted post, you'll see a long list of comparisons to Angel (and in return, that character owes much to Connor/Duncan MacLeod of Highlander before him with the Curse of Immortality trope). RTD definitely used Angel, Buffy and Spike in his portrayals of the Time War-era Doctor, Rose, Jack and John (can't get any more obvious with the actor), respectively. It's full-on homaged in School Reunion. The Tenth Doctor even starts to sound like Angel and the Mayor giving his "wither and die" speech. The larger-than-life inhuman action hero aspect is definitely there, given Angel pretty much became Batman-meets-Captain America, along with the whole story ending on a very bittersweet, tragic note.

Rose was likewise a huge shout-out to Buffy, complete with her origins as an oft-disrespected character type (the ditzy, blonde, Valley Girl schoolgirl cheerleader-turned-superhero and the council estate shopgirl-turned-Bad Wolf) who turns out to be extraordinary. And indeed, both in love with mysterious, guilt-stricken strangers for whom their love is impossible, forbidden and will end in tears. Jo Grant also comes to mind as having a very similar setup as a character who nobody initially respects turning out to be very brave, indeed (arguably the first to express less-than-platonic feelings for the Doctor in The Green Death). Chloe Decker from Lucifer was given a similar backstory as a former actress in an embarrassing film and a case that made her a pariah at the LAPD trying to prove herself.

Angel (ditto Lucifer now having an extremely similar setup and even Forever Knight before that--the shows are massively similar!) also was a non-human with superpowers who had to work as a supernatural detective with the LAPD and evil lawyers breathing down his neck, despite not being human and having no legal identity. These are all characters surrounded by a lot of close human friends, but can never truly fit in amongst them. They are characters who are explicitly denied a part in the mortal coil and will lose everyone they've ever loved.

Many immortals, by virtue of being less than human, have a lot of angst about not being able to have children (the Doctor is skittish about romance, in spite of beginning his story as a grandfather) and a part of them wanting that; which is why they all keep having their own variations on Human Nature going back to Superman II. Angel, Clark Kent (both Christopher Reeve and Tom Welling), Castiel (whose story is very like The Little Mermaid--the tragic version), the Doctor, etc... all have Human Nature-esque episodes.

Avenging/fallen angel imagery is also popping up excessively lately and not just because of the current deluge of literal, non-metaphoric angels and demons in media right now. Angel (let's start with the name) and the Tenth Doctor have it applied to them right in dialog.

The MacLeods and Angel have the Prize and the Shanshu Prophecy promising them a Pinocchio ending (becoming "real boys") that they likely will never win. Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Pinocchio and Peter Pan are fairy tales these larger-than-life characters all have elements of. The Doctor is very Peter Pan, made most explicit by the imagery of Amelia Pond and all the girls he keeps stealing away to far-off lands, yet it often ends with the girls wanting something he can never give them.

And then there's the fact that the most popular sub-genre in genre fiction right now is the superhero. The Doctor has been flirting with being a superhero for about half a century, but became so even more blatantly with RTD.

When you come up with a new Doctor and companion, you better as hell know what archetypes and tropes are still quite popular and relevant in the genre. Certain things are absolutely time-tested. Know the audience whom you want watching your show again. Cast accordingly with people who really understand the archetypes and tropes they're about to play.
 
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Have you just seen Miranda/his brief appearance as Martha's ex or have you actually seen Lucifer? Because the last thing Tom Ellis is is dull. He's incredibly larger than life and charismatic. I don't think anyone who has watched Lucifer would ever describe that performance as "dull". Lucifer is also now over. Gravitas and pathos are also in his wheelhouse, not just comedy and flamboyance. There's also the potential to make the Doctor more of a larger-than-life man of action or romantic lead again.

Michael Sheen is also charismatic and would also appeal to the fans who are also screaming out for a more middle-aged performer, while also appealing to even younger females who fell in love with him in Good Omens who weren't necessarily familiar with his long career before that. It was also a performance with a lot of endearing warmth (from an actor known for edgier fare) that the Doctor needs to signal that good will, while at the same time promising some real potential for gravitas and pathos.

Tom Ellis also played Robin Hood in an episode of Once Upon a Time (turns out there may have been a little flirtation between him and the actress who played Belle, even though he was married at the time).

Michael Sheen also seems to have become best friends with David Tennant so he could definitely get tips and some coaching off of him.

I think Jack Whitehall would make a good Doctor. He's a funny guy and he could definitely play a more genuinely funny Doctor.

 
I think that not only will the casting of the next doctor be important, I think that the casting of the companions needs to be great as well. New Who gained popularity because of the companions like, Rose, Amy Pond, Donna and even Martha. The seasons with Clara a lot of people don't like, and while I really liked Bill with Capaldi, she wasn't as popular as she needed to be. And I've not heard good things from these new companions. The relationship and chemistry between the Doctor and his companions is a big part of the show. So, I think they need to get better companions and actors that get along well with the Doctor.

Jack Whitehall would make a good Doctor.
After seeing The Jungle Cruise, I think he definitely has the comedic chops and could handle the adventure action as well.

Tom Ellis also played Robin Hood in an episode of Once Upon a Time
What? I don't remember this, cause I know Robin Hood was played by Sean Maguire. I do remember that they recast the role, but forgot Ellis played it first.
 
Michael Sheen

Ooh, that's a good pick but he might be too big of a name now. Still, Sheen is brilliant at both comedy and drama and could certainly pull of the 'I'm an ancient alien who is actually quite dangerous under all the quirk'. I never got that sense from 13, who was rather tepid.


I'm trying to bear in mind that the next regeneration of the Doctor is a reaction to the current one; so maybe somebody who is a bit more overtly masculine, like a swashbuckling Pertwee type? They would be socially confident and forceful, not at all 'awkward', they would be brave (perhaps even reckless?) not cowardly quivering at the slightest villainy , yet they would be persuasive rather lecturing people all the time. They would be more openly compassionate to humanity. They would- as an act of atonement- bring down the sinister Kablam organisation (the new showrunner should definitely bring that storyline back and correct it).

Also they should have a strong, consistent set of morals since 13 is morally bankrupt. The next Doctor would also want a strong, compelling companion to challenge them just in case they went too far, since the current companions are a bunch of yes-persons and doormats who parrot whatever the Doctor says...
Maybe to make it free fresh they should pick a companion who is not from current earth, there are a thousand ideas for a compelling companion from another era.
 
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The idea of the next Doctor being a swashbuckling romantic hero type, like a cross between Jon Pertwee and David Tennant, for maximum contrast to Jodie Whittaker, is exactly why I have someone like Tom Ellis in mind. He's exactly that.
They would be socially confident and forceful, not at all 'awkward', they would be brave (perhaps even reckless?) not cowardly quivering at the slightest villainy
But that's where 13 came from. Because 12 was all of those things and 13 was the opposite. 14 should be a "new" template, not just 12 all over again.
 
Because 12 was all of those things and 13 was the opposite.

I suppose when I say forceful I mean in a charming way; persuasive and very socially aware. 12 was mostly socially oblivious, didn't care and- as Moffat wrote him- had to have cue cards so as to empathize with people or comfort them.
Generally The Doctor isn't like that; he CAN blend in with humans if he chooses to, he just doesn't care most of the time. Both Smith and Capaldi were unfortunately sometimes written as clueless about how humans interact with each other.

I maintain you can go 'backwards' from 13 without becoming 12 because 13 was a massive misstep; there are multiple ways to depict a certain general thing such as brave or sociable.
 
I think that not only will the casting of the next doctor be important, I think that the casting of the companions needs to be great as well. New Who gained popularity because of the companions like, Rose, Amy Pond, Donna and even Martha. The seasons with Clara a lot of people don't like, and while I really liked Bill with Capaldi, she wasn't as popular as she needed to be. And I've not heard good things from these new companions. The relationship and chemistry between the Doctor and his companions is a big part of the show. So, I think they need to get better companions and actors that get along well with the Doctor.

They wasted Bradley Walsh as Graham.

You're right that the companions are an important part of the show so they need a likeable companion and not somebody like Clara. The Doctor is the star of the show, not the companion, and I thin Moffat forgot that in the Clara years.


After seeing The Jungle Cruise, I think he definitely has the comedic chops and could handle the adventure action as well.

Also with so much doom and gloom going on in the world, audiences could use a laugh. They want to be entertained, not lectured.

What? I don't remember this, cause I know Robin Hood was played by Sean Maguire. I do remember that they recast the role, but forgot Ellis played it first.

He was in the Season 2 episode Lacey.

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Maybe to make it free fresh they should pick a companion who is not from current earth, there are a thousand ideas for a compelling companion from another era.

They should pick a companion from the past and have them be amazed by simple everyday technology which didn't exist during their time.
 
Fuffy Baith
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Aw he looks so young and cute. Totally forgot he was in that.
I hate the idea that the Timeless Child is the Doctor.

I had a MAJOR problem with that as well. For God's sake, the Doctor is a Time Lord. Changing important things like that is beyond arrogance. Like the sonic sunglasses. Don't get me started on that. It's. A. Sonic. Screwdriver.

If the show ever recovers from the 13th Doctor's reign, we need to get back to basics:

1. The Doctor should be male, and an unknown actor.

2. Get a show runner who a ISN'T a complete wanker.

3. Bring back the Daleks and Cybermen.

4. No preachy crap, keep it light and fun.

5. The companion has to be interesting. Not annoying, bossy, in love with the Doctor, or only there to celebrate "diversity."

6. Doctor Who was loved because of its tradition...it was comforting and felt like home. Don't screw it up.
 
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I could take or leave the Daleks/Cybermen. Chibnall just had to go back to that, because he's an utterly crap writer (always was--only 42 was remotely passable and that was because RTD rewrote everything back then and Tennant acted his ass off during the possession scenes--making the Doctor genuinely scared and helpless is always good TV!) who couldn't make anything decent of his own and had to fall back on the classics as a crutch. Moffat is definitely the winner in terms of creating new classic monsters that sit firmly in the top tier of the Doctor's rogues gallery. Though I do think RTD's Midnight monster deserves a sequel.

We need a showrunner with the imagination for new classics and who doesn't just have to rely on reliving the most-overused (to the point of having no scariness factor left) classics as a crutch. Sure, bring in the continuity in slow drips (like RTD did), but RTD also had the right idea in freeing himself from the continuity getting up its own ass. The Time War killing off the Time Lords was done precisely for that reason. I'm still pissed at Moffat for retconning that! The Time Lords did more for the Doctor's personal story and development dead than they had ever done since The War Games (oh, how I love The War Games--my favorite Classic Who serial).

Chibnall's developments obviously need to be retconned brutally.

I strongly disagree with part of #5.

I say this as somebody who has seen *every* surviving Classic episode and even listened to some of the missing ones. I have no problem whatsoever with companions who are in love with the Doctor. It's natural, believable and good drama. It is incredibly relatable to females in the audience and gets them incredibly on board with the dramatic narrative. We may know that it won't work out and it's quite tragic, but we feel for and relate to the girls who fall in love with these incomplete, forbidden men they're not supposed to be in love with.

As I pointed out, the Doctor is often a retelling of Peter Pan, and that's exactly what happens with Wendy Darling when he can't give her a future and she ultimately grows old with children of her own, while he remains an ageless immortal. Wendy ultimately comes to see Peter Pan as a tragic, incomplete and often frustrating figure, rather than a wonderful, adventurous one as children are apt to see him. It's the same as some companions with the Doctor.

Except the Doctor has more awareness that he's the outsider looking in on a human life he can never have. He is a master at avoiding the subject, but he's very aware of the limitations of the human lifespan. He's had human companions before that have pretty much spanned their entire lives across his. The Brigadier is the most extreme example, but Sarah Jane and Jo, too, have met him at wildly different ages that have forced the Doctor to face the process of human aging and even mortal death.

As I mentioned earlier, it's often ignored by Classic purists that Jo Grant suggested she had less-than-platonic feelings when she announced that she was running after her future hubby because he reminded her of a younger version of the Doctor (The Green Death). The same story, along with The Curse of Peladon before it, had the Doctor looking noticeably jealous/put out with King Peladon and Dr. Clifford Jones' flirtations towards Jo.

Then there was Tom Baker and Lalla Ward. They even got married briefly. It bled over into the show a lot with the Fourth Doctor and Romana II famously looking like they were having a romantic date in Paris. You can hear Tom in the commentary commenting on how he's completely checking out Princess Astra (also played by Lalla Ward the season before she became Romana) right there on screen. They even made a series of computer commercials in 1980 that had Tom and Lalla in character as the Doctor and Romana, complete with a marriage proposal. Tom has even talked about how playing the characters being in love bled over into their personal lives. Where the Doctor starts and ends has always been a fuzzy line when it comes to mad Tom Baker and that was a big example of it.

There was also a DW Magazine short story called Girls' Night In decades before the revival that very much had Liz, Jo, Sarah Jane and Tegan admitting they had feelings for the Doctor. Though, really, given that it was Nyssa who kissed the Fifth Doctor on his cheek when she left (though in an era where Peter Davison was told he wasn't allowed to put his arms around any of the pretty girls except for barely-tolerated Adric, because JN-T wanted the Doctor to appeal more to the gay audience--which is hilarious given what RTD did with Rose!), it probably should've been Nyssa with the romantic feelings, rather than Tegan. Nyssa was another one suggested in the show itself.

Then came the TV Movie, which had the Doctor kiss Grace Holloway. There's actually one of the pre-revival novels that has the Eighth Doctor sleeping with Berenice Summerfield!

Sarah Jane was more subtle than Jo, but it still became canon that she was also in love with the Doctor. Flash forward to School Reunion where RTD not only had Rose Tyler's obvious feelings (to which the Doctor gives his most Angel-like immortality speech), but Sarah Jane being unable to move on because nobody ever measured up to the Doctor. And then, of course, he crashes her wedding when attempting to finally move on in The Sarah Jane Adventures and she's a widow on her wedding day, now an old woman beside an ever-more-youthful Doctor. It became a major part of Sarah Jane's story, too, and it also added quite a bit to when it was Jo who came back in Death of the Doctor, given she was another companion who was even more obvious about her non-platonic feelings for the Doctor, as well as a companion who got out by finding a Doctor substitute (explicitly referred to as such) to marry, which contrasted to Sarah Jane. Amy Pond certainly goes down in Doctor Who history as the companion who outright tried to shag the Doctor. LOL. Moffat, of course, was obsessed with River Song, so had her and Clara also with feelings for the Doctor. However, I have pretty strong feelings about what the Doctor felt towards River was guilt more than anything.

Done right with the Curse of Immortality trope, it's excellent drama. It's also an obvious thing that can wipe the taste of the sex-changing-yet-sexless, weak-Doctor-overwhelmed-by-too-many-companions Chibnall era out of the audience's minds by going to the most iconic Doctor/companion set-up: the handsome, action-oriented hero who plays favorites with his latest young girl who has a reason to want to leave her life behind and perhaps wants to stay with the Doctor for a forever he can't give her. Even the explicitly-platonic Donna Noble ultimately wanted this "forever" (right there in her final words before the mind-wipe), so it wasn't just the non-platonic ones who either left before it got too hard (either to get married like Jo or never were able to move on romantically like Sarah Jane) or got left behind.

Even on the male side, there's never any doubt that Jamie McCrimmon would've stayed with the Doctor for the rest of his life if given the choice. He literally got rescued from being hanged by the English and then put on a slave ship following the Battle of Culloden in his first story, so going back to his historical timeline was a possible death sentence--the Time Lords sent him back with his memory wiped!

The Doctor often plays favorites with his female companions; especially the pretty girls to the point where it became a trend long before NuWho picked up on the Doctor having a "type". It began in the Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker eras, by the way. The Doctor noticeably started acting differently to male companions like Harry Sullivan and Adric; both of whom were arguably treated with barely-concealed annoyance long before Mickey Smith was the third wheel intruding on the Doctor and Rose's date. Ian, Jamie and the Brigadier were amongst the very few exceptions to that. The difference in the William Hartnell era was that Ian Chesterton, not the Doctor, was the male lead. The Doctor literally turned himself into a hero using Ian as his model for who he wanted to become. The Doctor was not the Doctor we know today if not for Ian and Barbara teaching him how to be a hero. Ian memorably stopped the Doctor from killing a caveman with a rock in his first story. Ian and Barbara, by the way, were pretty damn obvious as a romantic couple in the TARDIS.

And that's another problem with the gender change. The Doctor not only was very comfortable in a male body with no hint of dysphoria (thus, trying to turn him into some sort of transgender icon is a massive lie), but had a very clear sexual orientation going back to Jon Pertwee.

To say that romance has never been in the show (even Classic--and not just explicitly romantic companion pairings like Ian/Barbara, Jamie/Victoria--though Two/Jamie was certainly played with as much touchy-feely as Patrick Troughton and Frazer Hines could get past the censors!, Amy/Rory, etc...) or that it began with RTD is a big lie. Jodie Whittaker playing the character as sexless and more apt to wear a tuxedo than a ballgown has only added to the proof that the Doctor still identifies as male, regardless of the female body he finds himself in. Ditto the Master, except the Master has been through so many failed regenerations into Skeletor, a snake, several other species (including Trakenite and human) and the Cheetah virus that Missy (at least the same species!) doesn't even rate on his list of his regeneration woes. The Master clearly does have a sexual preference and gender identity, as well, but it's a long-running gag that he's utterly awful at regeneration.

As for Tom Ellis, he's groomed his looks a lot since some of his early television appearances. The curly hair being straightened, the chest hair getting shaved and thick, dark beard trimmed have all massively changed his appearance for the better, which is why he's hard to recognize in some of his appearances as Martha's ex-fiancé and Robin Hood #1. And if you want a massive contrast to scrub hapless Jodie away, the fact that he's this Welsh, ultra-masculine, 6'3", strong force of personality is about as opposite of her as it gets. He's up there in height with the towering 6'3" Tom Baker and 6'2" Jon Pertwee, for starters. He definitely looks good/powerful doing action scenes and has a sense of humor (obviously would have to be toned down content-wise from Lucifer), but also has a really impressive range of anger, pathos and deadly seriousness that the best actors who've played the Doctor have all had.

In that regard, he'd be up there with Tom Baker (see his "Then what's it for?!" anger outburst in The Pirate Planet when the Captain is telling him about genocide) and David Tennant at their fiery, dramatic best. He's exactly the kind of dramatic, larger-than-life personality desperately needed as stark contrast, yet also capable of the fuzzy warmth and behavioral awareness (Moffat writing the Doctor with ignorance of human social mores using aloofness and rudeness as a depiction of alienness) that were especially absent with Peter Capaldi (it unfortunately got him labeled an angry old man, without William Hartnell's giggling and warming up fast enough to get him out of it). Matt Smith was famously aloof and odd in a goofy way, but had as much of the warm fuzzies as David Tennant did (except an even bigger overgrown child), so it never repelled the audience. Tom Baker was the oddest actor to ever play the Doctor (his previous acting credits were roles like Rasputin!), but never came across as mean and was always easy to love. Jon Pertwee started off as a bit of an ass to the Brigadier because of being stuck on Earth (that's coming from a comedian who decided to play the Doctor mostly straight and serious, despite the gurning and kung-fu karate chopping), but managed it while everyone knows that the Doctor loves the Brigadier at the same time. That's the difference.

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I became obsessed with the show after watching The Eleventh Hour, and went backwards to Tennant and Eccleston. I adored 10, especially when he had Donna Noble as his companion. I liked Rose a lot more when she was with 9. He wasn't interested in being liked, but it worked for the character. (Of course, it DIDN'T work for 12, which is sad because I really like Peter Capaldi)

I've only ever seen a few Classic Who episodes, with Tom Baker. I tried watching the tv movie, but it wasn't easy. Got halfway through and gave up. Basically, 9, 10, and 11 are my favourite Doctors, with Matt Smith as my absolute winner. God! I can't say enough about how much I enjoyed his tenure. (Except for the latter half of S7)

As a huge fan of the old Ray Harryhausen films, I was rewatching the Golden Voyage of Sinbad and realised that Tom Baker was Prince Koura!! It was the voice that gave him away. And Patrick Troughton was Phineas in Jason and the Argonauts. That was fun to discover.

Stop motion animation took SO much time and work. Think of the hours it took to make Kali move so seamlessly. I love this scene.

 
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My favorite companions are Rose and Jamie, by the way. I do 'ship with the Doctor with a number of companions, but I'm admittedly a hardcore Ten/Rose 'shipper.

Pat Troughton and Tom Baker are easy to spot in a whole bunch of old movies. Tom as Rasputin is a must-see. Pat was in everything from Sir Larry Olivier's Richard III to being Christopher Lee!Dracula's henchman to being the priest that gets skewered by the church steeple in The Omen. Jon Pertwee was also famously Worzel Gummidge post-Doctor.

It would be a miracle if the new companions were anywhere near the quality of these with this much chemistry (also a quick best of Classic Who primer):

 
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Michael Sheen voted Doctor Who fans' favourite to replace Jodie Whittaker as the new Doctor

So apparently Radio Times did a poll on who people want to be the next Doctor with over 10,000 responses and the top 10 results are as follows:

  1. Michael Sheen – 20%
  2. Richard Ayoade – 15%
  3. Jo Martin – 11%
  4. Andrew Scott – 7%
  5. Colin Morgan – 6%
  6. Alexander Vlahos – 6%
  7. Ben Whishaw – 5%
  8. Olly Alexander – 4%
  9. Jonny Lee Miller – 3%
  10. Kelly Macdonald – 2%

Since those percentages only add up to 79% of the votes, which means 21% of the vote was more split, a few things can be taken away:

1. Audiences would prefer the new Doctor to be male. Jo Martin is the only woman to get a double digit percentage and part of that is because she already exists within the Whoverse as a Doctor. Kelly Macdonald is the only other woman on the list at 2% which is not a lot.

2. In my opinion, 20% isn't a massive landslide, it's not even a quarter of responses, which shows that the fandom is massively split on who they want to take over. However of that 79% of votes represented by the top 10, 66% want a male Doctor which is a decent percentage in this age of woke.

3. With the exception of Richard Ayoade and Jo Martin, the majority of people's preferred picks are white. which suggests people are getting fed up of the race narrative that is being pushed by the media. Given the high position of the only two POC on the list, it suggests that people are choosing them because of their merits and not because they're currently the "right" colour.

4. People want someone who will make them laugh. Michael Sheen has been branching out into comedy roles more, and Richard Ayoade is a comedian.
 
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It's a crime that Michaela Coel isn't even on the list. A crime.
Fun facts: Tom Baker was an actual monk at a monastery before he lost his religion and became an actor. It was Sir Laurence Olivier who recommended him for the role of Rasputin and it was his first credited film role after a few television appearances. He was working construction when he got the offer for Doctor Who.

The first three Doctors all served in WWII, most notably Jon Pertwee actually serving on the HMS Hood and working in intelligence alongside Ian Fleming. The Navy is where he got his arm tattoo that is visible in Spearhead from Space. Patrick Troughton was decorated for his service in the English Channel and North Sea. William Hartnell, who came from very humble beginnings and was actually involved in petty theft as a youth, had a mental breakdown and was discharged. And of course, Hartnell was suffering from arteriosclerosis in his brain that led to him being forced out of the role as the Doctor. Tom Baker also had military service. William Russell and Bernard Cribbins also served in the military.

Patrick Troughton died in his Doctor Who costume, suffering a heart attack in his hotel room while at a convention in Columbus, GA in 1987. He was found by George Takei of Star Trek.

In regards to Classic Doctors who were in some pretty memorable roles outside of DW, see:

 
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I don't believe any list that doesn't have Idris Elba on it lol - did they give people a list of choices or did they get to give their own answers?
 
Like the sonic sunglasses. Don't get me started on that. It's. A. Sonic. Screwdriver.
Yes! I hate, hate, HATED the sonic sunglasses! It's a screwdriver for a reason, he's the doctor, he fixes things a screwdriver makes sense. Sunglasses were just stupid.
We need a showrunner with the imagination for new classics and who doesn't just have to rely on reliving the most-overused (to the point of having no scariness factor left) classics as a crutch.
RTD also had the right idea in freeing himself from the continuity getting up its own ass. The Time War killing off the Time Lords was done precisely for that reason. I'm still pissed at Moffat for retconning that!
Agreed, for me I think Russell T. Davies was the best showrunner of the new Who. Moffat was okay, but I didn't like his direction and things got convoluted, and bad decisions were made.
As I pointed out, the Doctor is often a retelling of Peter Pan, and that's exactly what happens with Wendy Darling when he can't give her a future and she ultimately grows old with children of her own, while he remains an ageless immortal. Wendy ultimately comes to see Peter Pan as a tragic, incomplete and often frustrating figure, rather than a wonderful, adventurous one as children are apt to see him. It's the same as some companions with the Doctor.
I had never thought about this comparison, but I love it. Interesting view that cold be applied to Doctor Who.
Done right with the Curse of Immortality trope, it's excellent drama.
Yeah, they've sort of addressed that with Jack Harkness and Ashildr.
 
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