So he got off on thoughts of Buffy. I agree. Granted it was doing violence to her, but how many times have little boys pulled little girls pigtails when they were attracted to them? It's the same thing. The seeds of Spuffy were sown in the second season. Hell, the very fact she was a Slayer made her attractive.
Everything Spike does is in the interest of stalking his pray. If that's romantic then boy, Angelus was more than just smitten with Buffy, she was his 'soulmate'.
There is no proof that Angelus was into BDSM with Darla, where there's numerous examples of pain and punishment being a turn-on with Spike.
Still doesn't stretch to him being obsessed with her to the degree the FFL flashback would have us believe. You could say the potential for Spuffy was always there simply because of what the figure of the vampire represents symbolically, but I don't see the intent in the sense that seeds were being sown. Vampires in the early seasons were always a metaphor for a threatening male sexuality, which is why Buffy had to kill them and Spike's behaviour is consistent with that.
Beg to differ: from Heartthrob:
That's why I said if you go back and watch it with everything else in mind.
Don't beg. I never thought it was in any way related to kinky sex.
It's implied that what they did goes waaay beyond just kinky sex! They're vampires - pain, punishment, torture, blood, all pretty much equally arousing. Besides Darla wouldn't be so gleeful about it if there wasn't something sexually arousing about it.
I never thought it was with one another.
Of course he was infatuated. He kept watching her video over and over again. There were other signs of infatuation as well, but again, it was more about her being the Slayer. It then, through the years, transmogrified into... something else.
Could be numerous things. To numerous people; as they were wont to do. Which is why Angelus makes the remark about their not understanding because they were in love.
But my point is that there's nothing about his interest in her that goes beyond what you might expect from him as an experienced vampire who enjoys killing slayers. His reaction to the video is also exactly the same as the sort of interest he shows in Nikki. There's nothing yet there to indicate that he wants her (in a Spuffy way) more than he wants to kill her. That shift happens much later.
But Darla says "I had to pay for my sins, again and again." She's talking about what he did to her. I don't see how anyone can NOT see the sexual implication there. And why would he punish her by torturing other people?😕
It just depends on how you choose to view it. Certainly when he could not beat her and got beaten up by her mother there was more interest.
Because he would not allow her to join in on the fun. She was in timeout. Had to watch Angel have all the fun by abusing sweet little innocent girls and then eat them while she couldn't.
😵😵Where do you get that from?
Sample place you got your conclusion from. Subtext and reading between the lines.
And we learn to covet that which we repeatedly see. The rest of the stuff you mentioned had nothing to do with when Spuffy started or whether Spuffy had chemistry. But alas, I am not a Bangel and this thread is for Bangels only so I shouldn't even be posting on here.
I don't think his replaying the videotape is so clinical; it's not completely devoid of fascination. He uses the word 'resourceful' which is exactly how he described Nikki, adding that she was hot. So definitely there is a fascination, even a sexual one, but IMO it doesn't go beyond what you might expect of his vampiric nature at that point.
No. But I'm not a bangel either which is why I said I shouldnt even be posting. But most of the posts say SPUFFY ONLY or BANGEL ONLY and there weren't many threads for me to visit. So I thought I'd break the rules and post here.
