Fan Art on the Board

[Sweetescape]

Its out me off creating and posting art on here. I can't see how it stops Plagiarism, someone can still save/use my work as there own, only now they can even credit it properly so it looks like their's if anyone asks! how handy for them!. In none of my Art have I said I'd created the textures/fonts that I've used so I don't get what the big problem is? I'm not claiming there mine. I'm just saying here's what I took and I put them together and created this, a unique piece of work.

 

[Black Eye Guy]

Source < If you were wondering it took me less then 10 seconds to source this!

I'm sorry but IMO this is totally ridiculous. This might stop 'art theft' or whatever (ot that i've really seen any) but this will just drive people away from making art and thats not what its about.

It doesn't matter that you haven't seen it, in fact it's better that you haven't, but it's been brought to the staffs attention numerous times about people stealing other people work and claiming it as their own.

Whats really confusing is, people spend ages creating art in Photoshop, but they can't take the extra few seconds it will take to credit the source of your materials??

I said earlier in the thread that you could save any new textures or whatever as the name of the website or make a folder for a website and save all the textures from that website in there.

Buffy Summers has already pointed out that for any of the stuff you don't know the source of, just state that when you post your piece, and that you will link to the source if anyone knows where it's from!

Its out me off creating and posting art on here. I can't see how it stops Plagiarism, someone can still save/use my work as there own, only now they can even credit it properly so it looks like their's if anyone asks! how handy for them!. In none of my Art have I said I'd created the textures/fonts that I've used so I don't get what the big problem is? I'm not claiming there mine. I'm just saying here's what I took and I put them together and created this, a unique piece of work.

You've totally missed the point of how this stops plagiarism, people most likely aren't going to post works that have been plagiarized now, because now they have to link to their original material, if it's been taken from someone else they wouldn't link to that original piece knowing people can click on it and see they've just taken someone else's work.

HisMrs has told you how frustrating it can be to have your work ripped off so blatantly, so obviously it's annoying to the original creator, and that has to be respected.

Not to mention this (as I already said) is an awesome way for people to share websites for resources. It's also a way to keep track of the best websites, I only go to like 2 websites for resources because they update them, if you have work you like from a website, most likely they will continue to update their stuff with more work you'll like, so instead of forgetting the source as you have been, this give you a chance to make note of it and go back and check for updates!

Also if you do forget to credit (which Im sure we all will starting out), just go back to your previous post and copy and past the text, and just replace the sources!

 

[Kean]

I'm just throwing in my 2 cents here.

Lads I know these new rules are putting alot of you out and you feel like you are being punished for crimes you haven't committed but the truth of the matter is that the board is not punishing you for plagiarism but rather asking that you help the board prevent it happening here. I know it is bothersome and annoying but really it is all habit, once you get used to citing it will feel like second nature. I don't know how involved people are in Buffyverse fan art outside the board (on LJ, Deviant Art or the other countless professional sites by BTVS fans dedicated to art) and while I am not directly involved I am a huge fan and frequent these sites everyday. I read the posts of the artists and I see the effort and pride they take in their work. All we are asking is that that is respected.

I know it may seem like fandom art is no big deal and so what if you take some stuff and forget to credit, it's just the internet? Well one of the truly great Buffyverse artists Zugma has an extremely famous piece that she made a few years back, a piece I might add that has been stolen and cut up and used here by members of this board on at least 3 separate occasions. This peice was so good it has actually been taken and a section of it cut out and used on FX UK's promotions of Buffy. This is internet plagiarism at its most extreme. BB doesn't wish to be a part of this plagiarism, morever BB wants to help cut it out.

At the end of the day fan art is big business in this fandom, you may not be part of it but it is there and we as fans should respect that. Furthermore, we should have respect for ourselves as a community within the wider Whedonverse world. We don't want people coming here for the sole reason of trying to find the person who stole their stuff.

I know it's annoying but I really believe the pro's of this far out way the cons. If you are having trouble with citing or are unsure ask someone; the mods, or even myself or Lyri or another artist. I know I would be more than happy to help anyone who needs it.

🙂

 

[frankie]

Question. A lot of the images, textures and backgrounds I use are my own. I paint them and I photograph most of my own images that aren't character based.
Do I have to post a link to my own work, and if so, what's to stop people taking them (not that they're anything special, no ego trip here 😀 ), but they are mine, and I'd like to keep them as my own art pieces. Not something I have to show, just to prove I actually did them.

 

[Buffy Summers]

Yeah, f, I would just say, "my own textures, backgrounds etc. Please do not reuse without permission"

Again, the point is to take 30 seconds to say where you got what you used. There's a difference between "I can't remember" and "I can't be bothered".

 

[Tueuse de Vampires]

You've totally missed the point of how this stops plagiarism, people most likely aren't going to post works that have been plagiarized now, because now they have to link to their original material, if it's been taken from someone else they wouldn't link to that original piece knowing people can click on it and see they've just taken someone else's work.

You've totally missed her point.
Her point was, people don't only post art here, but also on other side.
People who are actually commiting plagiarism now can check out the BB art section, find a piece they like, publish it somehwere else (or cut it up without really changing it), and they can conveniently cite the sources that people on BB give credit for.
Before, when in doubt you could always ask someone if they could name their sources, and if it was really their work, they could. Now that we openly publish all the sources, everyone can just name those published sources and claim to have done the piece, without anyone being able to decide who now really did the piece and who ripped it off!

 

[Black Eye Guy]

Ah right, sorry I did miss that, but it will be obvious who did it first and the date you've posted it will be recorded!

Not to mention even if people have access to the same resources a person has used, they'd still have to use them in the same way

 

[Sweetescape]

You've totally missed her point.
Her point was, people don't only post art here, but also on other side.
People who are actually commiting plagiarism now can check out the BB art section, find a piece they like, publish it somehwere else (or cut it up without really changing it), and they can conveniently cite the sources that people on BB give credit for.
Before, when in doubt you could always ask someone if they could name their sources, and if it was really their work, they could. Now that we openly publish all the sources, everyone can just name those published sources and claim to have done the piece, without anyone being able to decide who now really did the piece and who ripped it off!

Thankyou Kristine 🙂 that was exactly my point 😀

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Ah right, sorry I did miss that, but it will be obvious who did it first and the date you've posted it will be recorded!

Not to mention even if people have access to the same resources a person has used, they'd still have to use them in the same way

No, thats not what they mean. Not that I agree with it but I understand. If Sweets made and posted a wallpaper saying I used this, this and this, then a member here could simply copy that and put it on another website saying they made it; if it were called into question on the other website Sweets provided them an alibi already by stating how the wallpaper was made. Rather than her simply posting a wallpaper and someone stealing it having no clue where she found the images (if questioned) now they have them already handed to them, thus, according to Sweets, it would make it actually easier to plagiarize her.

The rules are not about preventing plagiarism but protecting Buffy-Boards from plagiarizers and any implications that may befall the forum for 'promoting' plagiarism.

 

[Blondie Bear]

Granted that I'm not an expert on visual art, but I do know something about plagiarism, so let me throw my $.02 in here. I think of it in terms of writing a paper or a story. When I write a paper, I don't choose to NOT cite my sources for fear that someone else will be able to copy my work more convincingly. I still cite my sources to keep me from being accused of plagiarism, and to show respect to those people who had better ideas than I did earlier than I did (and are better authorities on the subject than I am). True, someone could take my paper, citations and all, and pass it off as their own work. As long as I've done what I need to do, that's not on me. It's on the person who's stealing it. As long as I haven't given them the paper and said, "hey, I wrote this for my British lit class two years ago; I bet you could turn it in and nobody would ever notice," their cheating is not my fault. (It may be my PROBLEM, but that's a whole different kettle of fish.)

It's true that artists have borrowed from and imitated each other quite a bit over the years. Heck, Shakespeare only really had one original plot; the rest he took from other stories and cobbled them together to make new stories. At the time, that was no big deal; everyone was doing it. Fast forward to the era of intellectual property, and it IS a big deal now. And while there are no new stories, really, and everybody borrows from the same big pot of literature that's gone before them, the idea is that you do something new with it. Or else you get in big trouble. Any borrowing that sticks too close to one particular author is going to get in trouble. Like this girl. Or this guy.

So I don't see a problem with asking us to point out who we've borrowed from, and I wouldn't worry about it making it easier for someone to steal from you convincingly (as someone earlier pointed out, we have time/date stamps on here).

Hope that helps. 😉

 

[Black Eye Guy]

No, thats not what they mean. Not that I agree with it but I understand. If Sweets made and posted a wallpaper saying I used this, this and this, then a member here could simply copy that and put it on another website saying they made it; if it were called into question on the other website Sweets provided them an alibi already by stating how the wallpaper was made. Rather than her simply posting a wallpaper and someone stealing it having no clue where she found the images (if questioned) now they have them already handed to them, thus, according to Sweets, it would make it actually easier to plagiarize her.

The rules are not about preventing plagiarism but protecting Buffy-Boards from plagiarizers and any implications that may befall the forum for 'promoting' plagiarism.

Yeah I got that, but if someone did take work and claim it as their own, the only way people will know it was plagiarism would be if they've seen the original. People aren't going to randomly call out plagiarism if they didn't think it's true, which is what your example states above.

If you see someone steal your work you can call them up on it and point them to the original which will have the date on it.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

If you see someone steal your work you can call them up on it and point them to the original which will have the date on it.

Using that scenario then it doesnt matter if work used is cited or not, as long as your piece has a posted date to prove which came first.

And no, they dont have to be called out on it being stolen, just asked by someone else 'i have been looking for a background like that forever, where did you find it' and again, the references have been provided, thereby enhancing their ruse.

The point that Sweets was making and the point of placing the rules upon the forum are two different purposes.

 

[Buffy Summers]

The rules are not about preventing plagiarism but protecting Buffy-Boards from plagiarizers and any implications that may befall the forum for 'promoting' plagiarism.

Please don't tell me what the rules are about. That is NOT what this is about at all. It's about the fact that we keep seeing people ripping off other people's work here, which was never a problem before. I am NOT concerned about FAN ART causing problems for the board. Citing sources is done on all major fan art sites. This is about doing what is considered appropriate when dealing with fan art.

But hey, how about we just say no art can be posted at all? It would save a lot of resources. FFS.

 

[BuffyElevated]

If the rules are changed so that no art at all can be posted, I will be very sad. 🙁 I really hope it doesn't come to that!!

 

[Tasha]

Okay noone should be allowed to do art ever again 😀






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actually; it's not really a big deal, i think everyone is making it a big deal when it's not 😛
Yeah i seem like a hypocrite? not really, i've learned to accept it, even though i forget to credit sometimes :L (i'm workin on that)

To be honest, i know i've not been around BB that long, but i seriously havn't saw anyone rip off someone else's work, except from that one time with Britt...
I know why she was mad, because it was basically identical to hers. ;/
I mean (no offense) but that's just silly copying someone else's,
If it's similar , i don't care, but not when it's completely identical. ha!

 

[Skytteflickan88]

I don't mind, it's just i keep forgetting to credit, plus I've had a lot of textures on my comp for ages, and i don't remember where i got them from, i know that's terrible forgetting.
I've already had one warning for forgetting to credit.

:/

i suppose it isn't really that big a deal, but when you start getting infractions for forgetting to credit, it's like oh crap.
Plus a few days ago i was in a hurry and forgot to credit, i just uploaded them quickly then signed off.
I'll try harder, ha. It's not rocket science! Just remembering!

Did you forget to post any cedits at all, or did you forget to put the "right" credits?

I'm still not sure about the rules.

No, its not plagiarism. And let me illustrate so there is no confusion. I am looking at your banner and I like the helmet of armor.. i clip it and use it in something of mine. That is what I am talking about, and that is not plagiarism as just using "your" helmet in my piece in no way attempts to defraud the public into thinking your piece is mine or vice/versa. That is what I am talking about.. not wholesale copying. Now, If I were really concerened with you coming back and saying that is 'my' helmet I would flip the horizontal axis, alter the color, and make minor alterations to some of the design (which is what I do) and that is in no way plagiarism (nor does it fall under copywrite infringement, by the way, and I know that firsthand). You see what I mean?

But in a case like that, I think you would have to put in your credits here on BB where you got that stock image from. And I don't think just writing "His Mrs wallpaper" would be enough, because you would have to know where she got that image from.

It's not "pure" plagerisim, but I think that according to the new rules, you'd have to credit the original owner.

Can a mod verify that for me?

 

[white avenger]

Forgive me for coming into this late, and maybe this has already been answered, but there are thousands of pictures on the internet that are posted in literally hundreds of different locations, things that have been around for so long that nobody even remembers where they came from, such as this:

Image hosting, free photo sharing video sharing at Photobucket

(if anybody cares to look, it's a Barsoomian Thark, not a demon, a character from a novel written almost 100 years ago)

If I were to want it included in a banner, how could I give credit for it, since no one even remembers when or where it was first created?

 

[Buffy Summers]

Just put the link to where you found it. That link doesn't take me anywhere, but remember that promo photos etc are not what we're talking about here. Screen caps, yes, you should credit where you got those. We're just asking that you credit other artwork that you use in your pieces. If you have a promo photo on your computer and you don't know where it came from, just indicate that.

 

[BuffyElevated]

I think a lot of people are blowing this way out of proportion. Nobody's asking us to post in great detail about these pieces. Just post a link back or at least the name of the site where you got the stuff you've used if you have it, right??

 

[Buffy Summers]

Right 🙂 We're just trying to get people to think about what they're doing a little more. 🙂