Ke$ha: Like or Dislike?

Ke$ha: Like or Dislike?

  • Like

    Votes: 7 21.9%

  • Dislike

    Votes: 25 78.1%
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What is it about teen sex that is so bad? It happens. The important thing is that we teach kids how to do it responsibly and safely. Of course, I'm not sure that most teenagers are even close to being emotionally able to handle sex, but I guess everyone's different.

Everyone has their own parenting styles, but I know that I'm not going to wait until my kids ask me about sex when they're 13. I never had "the talk" because it was never just one specific day that my parents talked to me about all of that. I had the talk every day of my life. Communication is the key to a healthy relationship between parents and their children, or at least, it was for me.

Also, I'm kinda upset with all the ageist remarks being flung around. To say that a young person can't possibly know about something in life based on their age is totally insulting. We're all human, and regardless of our age, nobody really knows the right answer to anything. We're all just bumbling around and crashing into each other down here.

Ah, and my parents had a simple solution to keep me from getting "krunk" at parties. They didn't let me go to any.
 
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MandaMeena said:
What is it about teen sex that is so bad? It happens. The important thing is that we teach kids how to do it responsibly and safely. Of course, I'm not sure that most teenagers are even close to being emotionally able to handle sex, but I guess everyone's different.

Everyone has their own parenting styles, but I know that I'm not going to wait until my kids ask me about sex when they're 13. I never had "the talk" because it was never just one specific day that my parents talked to me about all of that. I had the talk every day of my life. Communication is the key to a healthy relationship between parents and their children, or at least, it was for me.

Also, I'm kinda upset with all the ageist remarks being flung around. To say that a young person can't possibly know about something in life based on their age is totally insulting. We're all human, and regardless of our age, nobody really knows the right answer to anything. We're all just bumbling around and crashing into each other down here.

Ah, and my parents had a simple solution to keep me from getting "krunk" at parties. They didn't let me go to any.
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Great post. I agree that young adults should be treated with more respect. We treat them like children and they will act as so.

That said, what do I think of Ke$ha? Sheesh. To be honest, to do think she's kind of trashy in a way, and no I do not think she is a good role model for the kids her music is aimed to (12-14, respectively, correct?). But, hell, that doesn't say much. I don't think most music/actors/shows these days are good for pre-teens. From what I've heard, Ke$ha sings about getting drunk, having sex, and doing drugs. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Now, music is all about these things and always has been - my issue, like I said, is what group her music is marketed to.

Paul Constant, a friend of mine, wrote a great piece on Ke$ha for our local arts paper a while back. I reccommend it. It's clever and scathing. http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/queen-of-the-lizards/Content?oid=6887377
 
I can see how people view her as a bad role model but I'm also a firm believer in artistic license. It's her music so she can include what she likes, it's up to the individual whether or not to listen. Obviously it might be hard for some to avoid her music but I've managed to for the most part so it's not impossible. I think that music isn't always supposed to have morals involved, sometimes it's just meant to be enjoyed superficially- there's no harm in that.

I grew up with The Spice Girls and thinking about some of their songs now it's shocking just how much they allude to sex, etc. but at the time I had no idea as I led a very sheltered life. Of course I also grew up with Placebo and the song Nancy Boy which is a bit darker than that and I turned out fine, just with a huge passion for music. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but in my own experience I was entirely oblivious as I knew nothing about such matters until I was at least 11.
 
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I can see how people view her as a bad role model but I'm also a firm believer in artistic license. It's her music so she can include what she likes, it's up to the individual whether or not to listen. Obviously it might be hard for some to avoid her music but I've managed to for the most part so it's not impossible. I think that music isn't always supposed to have morals involved, sometimes it's just meant to be enjoyed superficially- there's no harm in that.

I grew up with The Spice Girls and thinking about some of their songs now it's shocking just how much they allude to sex, etc. but at the time I had no idea as I led a very sheltered life. Of course I also grew up with Placebo and the song Nancy Boy which is a bit darker than that and I turned out fine, just with a huge passion for music. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but in my own experience I was entirely oblivious as I knew nothing about such matters until I was at least 11.
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I agree with all of this.
 
Not sure I'll be making any sense. Just trying to gather some thoughts.

Working with kids I often find myself thinking about good or bad parents and if some are suitable to be parents at all. Sometimes I find myself wondering why some get kids at all. No matter the reason. Not like all pregnancies are planned but even when they're planned it can feel like having a child is what you're supposed to do. Who has the time, money, knowledge and energy to give them all that they need? Not to forget this thing called love, appriciation and intimacy.

How much do we really know about a certain families situation? We might think we know everything we need but do we, really. Still we judge them? It might not be 100% true but I'm confident that parents do the best they can. If we ask for more than that what are we turning into? No parent is perfect. Neither are you or I.

That said. Many parents would benefit from more help, support and guidance than they now get.

Parents are an "easy" scapegoat when something goes wrong and although parents are a huge influence on their children it's rarely, if ever, the whole truth.

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..and I turned out fine
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I really don't argue with that. One bit. That's clear? So there's no misunderstanding. It just made me think of something.

The "...and I turned out fine" or "...my kids turned out fine" argument often are a bad one if you're trying to convince someone that you're right. 1. People are different and react differently to things/behavior/rules etc. What works for you/one might not work for someone else. Something that really needs to get realised when it comes to education. 2. How often don't you hear people use that argument and find yourself thinking "Except for the fact that you..." Are you really the most objective person to decide if you turned out fine? 😉
 
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Washburne said:
Not sure I'll be making any sense. Just trying to gather some thoughts.

Working with kids I often find myself thinking about good or bad parents and if some are suitable to be parents at all. Sometimes I find myself wondering why some get kids at all. No matter the reason. Not like all pregnancies are planned but even when they're planned it can feel like having a child is what you're supposed to do. Who has the time, money, knowledge and energy to give them all that they need? Not to forget this thing called love, appriciation and intimacy.

How much do we really know about a certain families situation? We might think we know everything we need but do we, really. Still we judge them? It might not be 100% true but I'm confident that parents do the best they can. If we ask for more than that what are we turning into? No parent is perfect. Neither are you or I.

That said. Many parents would benefit from more help, support and guidance than they now get.

Parents are an "easy" scapegoat when something goes wrong and although parents are a huge influence on their children it's rarely, if ever, the whole truth.



I really don't argue with that. One bit. That's clear? So there's no misunderstanding. It just made me think of something.

The "...and I turned out fine" or "...my kids turned out fine" argument often are a bad one if you're trying to convince someone that you're right. 1. People are different and react differently to things/behavior/rules etc. What works for you/one might not work for someone else. Something that really needs to get realised when it comes to education. 2. How often don't you hear people use that argument and find yourself thinking "Except for the fact that you..." Are you really the most objective person to decide if you turned out fine? 😉
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I didn't make any kind of claim saying that just because it worked for me that it will work for others, infact I made that quite explicit in my post. Of course it's different for everyone, I think it depends on just how sheltered the child is, amongst other things.
 
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I know you didn't. Right after what I quoted. Sorry if I made you think I missed it. Everything I wrote was meant in general.
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