New Layout for Main Page
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Vamp Jenny
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I have some problems with links and smilies, but I guess this is just Chrome being mean (and they said I was a better browser *roll eyes*)
I liked the new layout. I can,t say I exactly like this one, because it feels less "warm". I know how difficult it is to create a layout for a forum and I love when Darla and Faith work their a** off to give us something real nice and different. I won't say how much I don't like this generic layout, because it won't change anything. Instead, I'm going to wait impatiently for another one and keep myself busy by posting somewhere else while I wait 😉
EDIT: by somewhere else, I meant other threads, not another board 😉
I liked the new layout. I can,t say I exactly like this one, because it feels less "warm". I know how difficult it is to create a layout for a forum and I love when Darla and Faith work their a** off to give us something real nice and different. I won't say how much I don't like this generic layout, because it won't change anything. Instead, I'm going to wait impatiently for another one and keep myself busy by posting somewhere else while I wait 😉
EDIT: by somewhere else, I meant other threads, not another board 😉
Sorry may I am simply to stupid. Is this design the new design or only a temporary change? And secondly I found the karma button but I noticed that my reputation does not show on the post I gave it! Is this normal? Or did I make a mistake?
ashleigh
I think this design is to show what we would have if Darla didn't try to change things around, so I'm guessing it's temporary. Unless of course everyone decides that they love it. ;)
Abbeycat
Werewolf
No, they changed it yesterday evening to this vbulletin because so many people were complaining about the new layout main page.
This is not the new design the thread was opened for. It's something Darla put on last night after all the complaining.
The reputation doesn't show under the posts because VBulletin is like this, to see your rep you have to go on USEC CP in the bar in top of the page. 🙂
brinkster130
Riley's BFF
You're not stupid, there has just been a lot of confusion and unneeded arguing going on that has made a mess of things. Anyways, the current vBulletin layout is the very basic layout and will most likely be temporary. Like David4w said, you can check your karma under the User CP tab. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience! 🙂
Hale Caesar
Sunnydale Nerd
I have a big problem with you saying this. Why should it matter if 10 people before me had the same opinion as me? 100? I don't care what people before me had to say, I want to voice my opinion because everyone's opinion counts and people should bring awareness to whatever they believe in. Think of protests, you need as many people to bring awareness to your cause, correct? When people see a protest they don't say "Oh man, they already have 10 people there...so I shouldn't go", see what i'm saying? Granted protests are for a more important cause than a new layout, but the idea is the same.
There's a reason this thread has so many pages of complaints, because people don't like the new layout. So you telling people to stop voicing their opinions is dumb, if 100 people don't like the new layout than all 100 should be able to say so, because this isn't some dictatorship. It's a free forum, and I feel people are too emotionally invested in this place, to the point where they don't like anyone criticizing it, but this is 2012, everything get criticized and you need to either ignore it and move on or take the criticism and try to understand where its coming from and make things better.
Granted, there shouldn't be one person trolling the thread and saying the same thing over and over, but if everyone can keep it respectful there shouldn't be a problem (to be honest I didn't read all 10 pages here, I just briefly skimmed a couple pages)
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sisterofmercy
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Black Eye Guy
Taking over the World!
It's not Darla pays for it. It's free for members, it's Darla that pays the money for it, it's Darla that does the coding for it, and Darla who sets up all the themes that set the layout.
Really Darla can do whatever she likes with it, all this it's a community forum and we should all get a say is total crap.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when it's 1 person doing all the work for something that people then come on and bitch and moan about, that person is entitled to do whatever they like, she owns the boards.
It's like Facebook, you may not like the changes, but suck it your getting them anyway.
(I say this as a member, I wasn't consulted on changes to the boards, but I liked them, or at least wanted to give them a change, not just come in a bitch about it.)
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Selfless705
Tina fey Karma
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zobothehobo
I think she meant "free" as a form of the word "freedom."
EvilWillow
Scooby
I think what Darla was trying to do with putting up the original VB page has worked on me. I miss the old and the new layout. I didn't really care for the new layout, but I most certainly did not think it was horrible, at all.
Now I just wish that it was here. This VB layout is so boring. 🙁
Now I just wish that it was here. This VB layout is so boring. 🙁
Spiral
Vortex
give me a break. its a message board...not a town hall meeting for public policy!
more like ppl on here are rude, whiney & ungrateful & no matter WHAT Darla & the staff does, it's a problem. ppl complain about any & EVERYTHING on here.
this from the person who just posted several paragraphs about why she must be heard no matter what...even @ the expense of the feelings of others? namely the staff? namely the one person on the staff who bares MOST of the burden & for what? this kind of treatment?
if "so many ppl" dont like this or anything else Darla does, there's plenty of other places on the net to go. simple as that.
ppl are talking like their OPINION is the end all/be all on this board where they have NO financial investment & do NOTHING to maintain it.
xfivebyfive
Because its Fate.
Yeah well your attitude is what I have a big problem with.
If ten people before you have the same exact opinion leave a karma agreeing with them we dont need ten pages of people saying the exact same thing it gets tiresome and eventually just hurts peoples feelings. Its not that your opinion doesnt matter its that its already been said!
That right there is a perfect example of how you shouldn't talk to someone. Exactly what I'm talking about when I say members are rude to other people without even second glancing what they wrote. You may not like what I said but nothing I said was a personal attack on you but you basically just called me stupid.
I'm telling people to stop echoing what has already been stated ten times before them. That's what Karma is for. To show you agree with something that has already been said without having to make a post echoing the exact same thing.
Its not a free forum. Darla pays for it. That whole attitude about how people have to learn to take criticism is not what this forum is about because that's bullying. No one has to just suck it up. You have to treat people with respect and if you can't do that then that is the problem not the other person.
Hale Caesar
Sunnydale Nerd
Karma doesn't have the same effect though. Being able to write how I feel on a forum post is the best way to my feelings across. Karma is good for agreeing, but some people want to explain themselves and expand on their ideas. Karma simply doesn't do that.
I didn't call you stupid. I said you were saying stupid things. I don't know you but i'm sure you're a smart person, and sometimes smart people can say stupid things. I like to think i'm smart, and I say stupid things all the time.
That's not the way society works. What you're talking about is some imaginary fantasy land. In theory people should treat one another with respect, but does it happen? Sadly not. No matter who you are at some point in your life you will be criticized. And you either need to stand up and defend yourself , ignore it or apply the criticism to make yourself better
Sometimes people are just too sensitive, it always amazes me how people become so emotionally invested in forums, to the point where it causes them problems in their real lives. I'm probably in the minority, but when people insult/criticize me on forums, I don't take it personally. I guess it's hard for me to relate to people who feel the forums are such an important part of their lives, and it's probably why I don't understand people who get so insulted when there are negative opinions (like in this thread)
Anyways, I don't want to fill this thread up anymore with our debate, because it's gotten really off-track
xfivebyfive
Because its Fate.
So basically you want to say what you want to say regardless of how it makes other people feel? That's what it sounds like to me. It was said fifteen different times the exact same way "I don't like the change" if you have something different to say then go ahead say it. Thats not what I'm saying. But if what you want to say has already been said so many times before it's not constructive to add on.
First of all its your opinion that what I'm saying is stupid. And second of all there is no need to be saying that. It's rude and hurtful. I dont like when people call my opinion stupid. That's not how you talk to people.
And you still dont see how incredibly rude you are in the way you phrase things? It's not an imaginary fantasy land because people on this board can and do treat eachother with respect and have debates without being rude. But then there are people like you who dont care how they phrase things or who they hurt. Not everyone is going to stand up and defend themselves. So just because you think it only works in theory means it shouldn't be attempted? Who are you to tell people to suck it up? The rules of this forum are to treat people with respect. Thats what's expected. That's not what's happening.
Fine you dont take it personally if someone calls your opinion stupid but someone else does. I take it as an insult. Your whole attitude of dismissing people's feelings upsets me. If you don't really care why are you even bothering with this discussion then?
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SlayerOfVampyrs
STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! You're opinions are all shite! And you are a big dumb stupidhead, you...stupidhead! :P (See what I did there, Katie my lady? :P ;))
zobothehobo
Scooby
I took a step back last night because I got really angry. I was starting to say things I'd regret. I came back and I feel a little more leveled about this.
I re-read the WHOLE thread. And I still feel that no one really dumped on Darla. I don't see where someone called HER out and said that everything she does is terrible. I was the most vocal person about my distaste for the new layout, and I feel like everything I said was about the layout itself, not Darla... and I tried to provide constructive reasoning behind it. Now, if I didn't, if I did hurt someone's feelings with what I said, I would appreciate if someone would tell me where so I can apologize for it. I think that obviously other people who may have hurt people's feelings don't know where that is either since no one is apologizing. So I don't know, if you want something from someone, send them a PM or something.
To me, this feels a bit like giving a friend the "cold shoulder" when they've done something to piss you off... but they don't know what they did and since you're not talking to them you won't tell them. This is not a constructive way to deal with conflict. And I'm not saying that from a place of anger or frustration, I'm saying that from an observer's point of view.
Because what we have going on here is: Mods give us new theme. People express their opinions. Mods say "try it out for a while." People go along with it and keep expressing their opinions... most of which are "I'll have to get used to it." And if you're going to have a trial period of something like that, opinions all the way through it are important... So that happens. Then negativity gets blown up in a microscope by a couple people... and then the mods get upset at something someone or a group of people said and then the new toys get taken away. And the mods say "You have to be respectful!" "you all weren't respectful!" "you hurt my feelings!" "You're dumping on so-and-so!" The members at this point are like "what happened?? Who said something so terrible? I'm confused! Are we getting the board the way it was back? What is going on?" I, as the person who was the most vocal about my distaste for the new layout yesterday, would love to go do that trial period now... Because this all feels so childish. Honestly, if drama is not wanted, the people who said something hurtful would get PMS and that would be dealt with privately and everyone else would go through the trial period of the new layout with the boxes.
I re-read the WHOLE thread. And I still feel that no one really dumped on Darla. I don't see where someone called HER out and said that everything she does is terrible. I was the most vocal person about my distaste for the new layout, and I feel like everything I said was about the layout itself, not Darla... and I tried to provide constructive reasoning behind it. Now, if I didn't, if I did hurt someone's feelings with what I said, I would appreciate if someone would tell me where so I can apologize for it. I think that obviously other people who may have hurt people's feelings don't know where that is either since no one is apologizing. So I don't know, if you want something from someone, send them a PM or something.
To me, this feels a bit like giving a friend the "cold shoulder" when they've done something to piss you off... but they don't know what they did and since you're not talking to them you won't tell them. This is not a constructive way to deal with conflict. And I'm not saying that from a place of anger or frustration, I'm saying that from an observer's point of view.
Because what we have going on here is: Mods give us new theme. People express their opinions. Mods say "try it out for a while." People go along with it and keep expressing their opinions... most of which are "I'll have to get used to it." And if you're going to have a trial period of something like that, opinions all the way through it are important... So that happens. Then negativity gets blown up in a microscope by a couple people... and then the mods get upset at something someone or a group of people said and then the new toys get taken away. And the mods say "You have to be respectful!" "you all weren't respectful!" "you hurt my feelings!" "You're dumping on so-and-so!" The members at this point are like "what happened?? Who said something so terrible? I'm confused! Are we getting the board the way it was back? What is going on?" I, as the person who was the most vocal about my distaste for the new layout yesterday, would love to go do that trial period now... Because this all feels so childish. Honestly, if drama is not wanted, the people who said something hurtful would get PMS and that would be dealt with privately and everyone else would go through the trial period of the new layout with the boxes.
Black Eye Guy
Taking over the World!
Just to compare it, Someone makes an art thread on here and puts up their pieces. Everyone starts telling them they don't like their art and it could be better - nope, that doesn't happen.
I don't really see how it's any different, if a member was putting up pieces, everyone on here would be respectful and nice, but when it comes to Darla putting work into the site, much like any other time, it results in bitching and complaining.
It's not like this is the first time, any time she does anything to the site it results in people bitching.
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xfivebyfive
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I've just read this whole thread and I do think a lot of the posts were getting at Darla. I dont understand how people cant see that making comments about not liking the layout that she has spent a lot of time and effort in is not in some way a personal comment to her. Its like me making a meal and having someone say they didnt really like it, it was too spicy. If I'd spent all afternoon making it your damn right I'd get a bit offended.
All the staff do a really good job on this board and Darla and Faith work so hard to keep it going! I think people need to appreciate that more and think before they post!
All the staff do a really good job on this board and Darla and Faith work so hard to keep it going! I think people need to appreciate that more and think before they post!
white avenger
white avenger
Folks, I have no authority whatsoever here, and probably not a whole lot of respect in some factions, but can I just point out something here? We are what amounts to guests in Darla's house. She pays the rent, she sweeps the floors, and she makes the rules. This isn't "Empty Places," where the kiddies can run the the home owner out and take over for themselves (and no, I'm not setting myself up as Spike, the defender here) To put it bluntly, when it gets down to the final say, it's Darla's way or the highway. Learn to live with it.
I'm not crazy about some of the changes that have happened around here lately, but I'm a big boy. I can adjust to the change, because I enjoy it here, and I have more than a few people here who I consider friends. What I DON'T want to have to put up with is all of the snapping and snarling that's been going on around here lately, and everybody, that is EVERYBODY is guilty of it to one extent or another. A lot of us came to this forum because of the friendly atmosphere, where we could argue and discuss a subject till Hell froze over without anyone getting angry, abusive, or insulting. If I had wanted that, I could have stayed where I was before I came here.
Now, here's a suggestion. "Castle" is coming on tonight. Fillion and Baldwin will be reunited, and from the previews that I've seen, it looks like it'll be a ball. Let's all watch it, relax, calm down, laugh a little bit, hell, get drunk if that'll help. But let's take a break from what's going on here, get in a better mood, and come back tomorrow with the common goal of just getting along together. This used to be a nice place to visit, and it could be again, but not unless more than a few tail feathers get unruffled and some egos get healed up.
If this keeps up, one of these days the people doing all of the arguing are gonna look around and find out that they're the only ones left here. So if that's what you want, just keep it up, and enjoy your solitude when it happens.
Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm gonna go over to the "Take Me Back To Barsoom" forum for awhile and hope that when I come back things will be a little less like a war zone and more like the friendly place that I used to visit.
I'm not crazy about some of the changes that have happened around here lately, but I'm a big boy. I can adjust to the change, because I enjoy it here, and I have more than a few people here who I consider friends. What I DON'T want to have to put up with is all of the snapping and snarling that's been going on around here lately, and everybody, that is EVERYBODY is guilty of it to one extent or another. A lot of us came to this forum because of the friendly atmosphere, where we could argue and discuss a subject till Hell froze over without anyone getting angry, abusive, or insulting. If I had wanted that, I could have stayed where I was before I came here.
Now, here's a suggestion. "Castle" is coming on tonight. Fillion and Baldwin will be reunited, and from the previews that I've seen, it looks like it'll be a ball. Let's all watch it, relax, calm down, laugh a little bit, hell, get drunk if that'll help. But let's take a break from what's going on here, get in a better mood, and come back tomorrow with the common goal of just getting along together. This used to be a nice place to visit, and it could be again, but not unless more than a few tail feathers get unruffled and some egos get healed up.
If this keeps up, one of these days the people doing all of the arguing are gonna look around and find out that they're the only ones left here. So if that's what you want, just keep it up, and enjoy your solitude when it happens.
Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm gonna go over to the "Take Me Back To Barsoom" forum for awhile and hope that when I come back things will be a little less like a war zone and more like the friendly place that I used to visit.
zobothehobo
Scooby
But this isn't an art thread. This is a change in the board's appearance and user interface. Once again I hear "only express your opinion if it's positive." Which is ridiculous when speaking about a thread for user feedback of the user interface. Some of the feedback is going to be negative. MOST of it was and usually is "I'll have to get used to it."
Some people bitched, yes. But usually it was in a constructive way. But some people also expressed much love for it. Don't make the negative opinions be anything more than they are/were: opinions. I, personally, hated the changes. That is a negative opinion. But it is not a personal attack. It is not an ungrateful remark. It is simply my opinion of the changes. I'm sorry if that was offensive, me hating the changes... but it's how I feel. What do you want from me? You can't MAKE me like them. Not taking them away, not yelling at me... that is not going to MAKE me like the changes. However, letting this go through that magical trial period and letting people get used to them and then letting them use the clean skin if they hate it too much... THAT is going to be constructive.
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