Season 7- Did they fire the Continuity Guy or what?

nerd4hire said:
Why is Amy so jealous of Willow, when she seems so powerful herself?

Then there's the scythe. How did they discover what exactly the scythe could do, and how to do it?

I never got the thing with Amy either. I mean, all the things she says makes sense, but it doesn't feel like she should care that much, about Willow, or Willow's friends (who are the ones' still loving Willow after everything she's done)..

And the scythe thing.. Well, I don't know what to say, I just really agree with what you said.
 
nerd4hire, those aren't so much continuity errors as they are unexplained storyline issues (which BtVS is full of). If you're desperate for an explanation on some of these things, make up your own and fit them into continuity.

On the Amy issue:
Amy is incredibly resentful of Willow and feels (not sure whether or not this is justified) that Willow didn't try hard enough to de-rat her. Plus, when Willow DOES finally de-rat Amy, she abandons her in a world that is no longer familiar and recognizable.

The scythe thing:
It's not explained, but that's not a continuity error; it's a storyline issue.
 
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ProphecyGirl
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Well yeah that's why I called them "borderline continuity" problems.

When they don't explain stuff, but just present it and force you to write the explanation for them it grates. I know it does because people on the board keep mentioning the things I mentioned as problems they have with Season 7.

And it is borderline continuity. I'll show you why.

Consider the Giles taking the Potentials out into the desert alone thing. That is a continuity error, because it's stated the potentials are under threat if they're not under Buffy's protection. You could say the First has gone underground after Showtime, so they feel safe, but they're still actively searching for other potentials to bring them to the Summers house for protection, so that doesn't fly. The potentials might be safe from the Ubervamp Buffy killed in Showtime, but it's never shown they are safe from the Bringers who are looking to kill them. They could no doubt come up with a reason why Giles would feel safe to take the girls out alone, but they don't, so it becomes an error. There is no explanation, and no hidden information given allowing us to explain it. It is a continuity error.

On the other hand consider something like how did Buffy know where to go to find the Guardians temple. At first there doesn't seem to be an explanation, but if you think about it, Buffy tells Spike something like it's a temple off consecrated ground. When she goes to find it, she passes out the gate from the consecrated ground to the crypt just outside of the cemetary that forms the entrance to the temple.

That's not an error, because the information is there if you want to look for it. On the other hand it is borderline, because it is something you would expect non-obsessed viewers to miss. If you want them to watch too, give them something they can make sense of.

In my opinion, if you don't, it becomes a "borderline continuity" problem.
 
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nerd4hire said:
Well yeah that's why I called them "borderline continuity" problems.

When they don't explain stuff, but just present it and force you to write the explanation for them it grates. I know it does because people on the board keep mentioning the things I mentioned as problems they have with Season 7.

And it is borderline continuity. I'll show you why.

Consider the Giles taking the Potentials out into the desert alone thing. That is a continuity error, because it's stated the potentials are under threat if they're not under Buffy's protection. You could say the First has gone underground after Showtime, so they feel safe, but they're still actively searching for other potentials to bring them to the Summers house for protection, so that doesn't fly. They could no doubt come up with a reason why Giles would feel safe to take the girls out alone, but they don't so it becomes an error. There is no explanation, and no hidden information given allowing us to explain it. It is a continuity error.


You're actually complaining about this?

On the other hand consider something like how did Buffy know where to go to find the Guardians temple. At first there doesn't seem to be an explanation, but if you think about it, Buffy tells Spike something like it's a temple off consecrated ground. When she goes to find it, she passes out the gate from the consecrated ground to the crypt just outside of the cemetary that forms the entrance to the temple.

Hel-lo? She had stumbled across it!

That's not an error, because the information is there if you want to look for it. On the other hand it is borderline, because it is something you would expect non-obsessed viewers to miss. If you want them to watch too, give them something they can make sense of.

In my opinion, if you don't, it becomes a "borderline continuity" problem.


Sorry, don't buy your arguments.
 
LadyLavinia said:
Sorry, don't buy your arguments.

Can you explain in further detail as to why? Just wondering as I feel N4H brought up all valid points.
 
That's OK if you don't buy my arguement Lady L. I'm not selling it. As I stated, it's an opinion, and unless you can give valid arguement to it with supported statements, I think I'll stick with it, and just write that excited response off as a Troll looking to turn a reasoned debate, into a screaming arguement.

Edit: Oops Jenny slipped her post in ahead of mine. She's quick. 🙂
 
nerd4hire said:
Well yeah that's why I called them "borderline continuity" problems.

When they don't explain stuff, but just present it and force you to write the explanation for them it grates. I know it does because people on the board keep mentioning the things I mentioned as problems they have with Season 7.

And it is borderline continuity. I'll show you why.

Consider the Giles taking the Potentials out into the desert alone thing. That is a continuity error, because it's stated the potentials are under threat if they're not under Buffy's protection. You could say the First has gone underground after Showtime, so they feel safe, but they're still actively searching for other potentials to bring them to the Summers house for protection, so that doesn't fly. The potentials might be safe from the Ubervamp Buffy killed in Showtime, but it's never shown they are safe from the Bringers who are looking to kill them. They could no doubt come up with a reason why Giles would feel safe to take the girls out alone, but they don't, so it becomes an error. There is no explanation, and no hidden information given allowing us to explain it. It is a continuity error.

On the other hand consider something like how did Buffy know where to go to find the Guardians temple. At first there doesn't seem to be an explanation, but if you think about it, Buffy tells Spike something like it's a temple off consecrated ground. When she goes to find it, she passes out the gate from the consecrated ground to the crypt just outside of the cemetary that forms the entrance to the temple.

That's not an error, because the information is there if you want to look for it. On the other hand it is borderline, because it is something you would expect non-obsessed viewers to miss. If you want them to watch too, give them something they can make sense of.

In my opinion, if you don't, it becomes a "borderline continuity" problem.

You're confusing continuity issues with storyline issues. The things I mentioned (Giles being rehired by the Council, albeit reluctantly, in 'Checkpoint' and still under their employ at the end of Season 6 yet seemingly not working for them 6 months after Season 6 and Giles not knowing anything about Buffy's first encounter with the First) are continuity errors. The things you mentioned are storyline issues. Something is only a continuity error if it violates/doesn't gel with something previously established.
 
Ah... Digific writer has a point. I seem to have been lumping them in together. Whoops. But on the other hand, Nerd4Hire is making a distinction between clear continuity phlub and a bordeline one, and I think he's explained his case for doing so rather well...
 
DigificWriter said:
Something is only a continuity error if it violates/doesn't gel with something previously established.

You mean, like if they say a group of characters can't leave a place, then they inexplicably leave it, or if they tell you one character's whole body doesn't contain enough blood to do a magic spell, yet later a single drop will do the trick, or a Super Powered human finds it almost impossible to defeat a certain type of creature, yet later a school principal and a librarian are slapping around the same creatures 5 at a time.

The storyline/continuity thing sounds good until you think about it, then you realize continuity is a storyline issue. Merely choosing to call something a storyline issue, doesn't necessarily mean it is not also a problem with continuity in the storyline.

And Jill, the evidence isn't all in yet. Personally, if I were you, I wouldn't apologize just yet.
 
nerd4hire said:
You mean, like if they say a group of characters can't leave a place, then they inexplicably leave it, or if they tell you one character's whole body doesn't contain enough blood to do a magic spell, yet later a single drop will do the trick, or a Super Powered human finds it almost impossible to defeat a certain type of creature, yet later a school principal and a librarian are slapping around the same creatures 5 at a time.

Exactly N4H you said it purrrrfectly. These are in fact, continuity issues they do all contradict something we were previously told/shown as fact.
 
It depends on what you mean by continuity, like the way the show/characters has developed in the seasons before this, that now changes.. Or about stuff happening only in the 7th season. I mean sometimes the things you're mentioning has to do with only a couple of episodes, is it still a season 7 continuity problem..?
 
Consider the Giles taking the Potentials out into the desert alone thing. That is a continuity error, because it's stated the potentials are under threat if they're not under Buffy's protection. You could say the First has gone underground after Showtime, so they feel safe, but they're still actively searching for other potentials to bring them to the Summers house for protection, so that doesn't fly. They could no doubt come up with a reason why Giles would feel safe to take the girls out alone, but they don't so it becomes an error. There is no explanation, and no hidden information given allowing us to explain it. It is a continuity error.


You're actually complaining about this?

This is extremely ironic coming from the woman who complained about Buffy going to college in Sunnydale.🙄

Sorry, don't buy your arguments.

You need to explain why, otherwise you're just being a troll.

What about the missing amulet in "Selfless?" As good an episode as this was, it's the most glaring continuity muck-up in the show's history.
 
Yeah that one, and a couple of others get mentioned a lot in relationship to what we think we know from other seasons.

There's the initiative thing from The Killer in Me. It's supposed to be filled with cement, and there's RJ's jacket from Him. If it has the kind of power it's supposed to have and has been in circulation since Buffy's early school days why are we just hearing about it in Season 7?
 
Just out of curiosity ( and i greatly apologize for the somewhat OTopcicness of this question)

Is everyone truly all grr argh because of the continuity issues or is this just a topic for topics sake?

I ask because I have a deep love of Buffy (as most on the board do) and I've always been very forgiving of these things (cotinuity, bad stuntmen shots, etc.) because I love the Buffyworld so.

Did the noncemented-initative, magic jacket, scythe and ubervamps lessen your love for the show?


Also in an ever changing medium, No facts don't truly exist.
 
Well I can't speak for the rest of them, but this is what I said on page 1 of this thread in response to the continuity flaws thing:

I actually agree with you (concerning continuity errors in Season 7), and this is coming from a guy who loves Season 7, and is fond of using terms like flawed masterpiece to describe it.

BTW here's some more I copied from TVTome:

135. Sleeper
There is no correlation between the time a person is sired and the time they rise, but they always have one thing in common: the vampire ALWAYS rises on the same night that they are bitten, always. Note Darla waiting by Angelus's grave the night she bites him, and Drusilla burying Darla and waiting for her to rise in the greenhouse in Angel. Also, we repeatedly see Buffy waiting by a fresh grave after someone has died due to "neck injury." Speaks for itself, by this fact there shouldn't actually be any vampires still in that basement.

136. First Date
We are expected to believe that a bullet in the brain won't kill a vampire, but somehow a faulty chip can?

140. Dirty Girls
After jumping Giles in the graveyard, Spike says Anya said Giles was the First. But Anya and Co. didn't even consider Giles could be the First until after Spike and Buffy were out with the Initiative, and they disproved their theory before ever meeting up with Spike and Buffy again.

Why are the people of Sunnydale leaving town? The First isn't doing anything that public. The only thing was the sporadic breaks of insanity and that ended when they sealed up the Seal. If the folks haven't left after wide-scale devastation like the Mayor becoming a giant snake, massive light shows at construction sites, and the demons attacking the town en masse in Bargaining, why the heck would the Sunnydalians start now given there's less going on?

141. Empty Places
In "First Date", Giles complained that this is war and there should be no dates. Now that they have a new foe (Caleb) and Buffy finally gets that now, he lets Faith take the girls out.
 
ProphecyGirl said:
Did the noncemented-initative, magic jacket, scythe and ubervamps lessen your love for the show?


Also in an ever changing medium, No facts don't truly exist.

Ordinarily I am quite flexible regarding continuity errors or lock off errors (When you've watched the Faithisodes as much as I have, you welcome the boom operator like an old friend, and Faith and Buffy's clearly older stunt doubles during the glorious Grad 1 fight are like old school buddies) but in S7 it reached epidemic proportions. Buffy was always quite impressive regarding continuity - the writers cared enough to remember, in the ways it counted. But as the shows mythology became more confused towards the end, it spiralled to the brink of collapse. When there are so many phlubs, so frequently, it's not fair to the viewer. How can you expect us to follow the arc if the rules keep changing?
 
ProphecyGirl said:
Is everyone truly all grr argh because of the continuity issues or is this just a topic for topics sake?

I don't really care.. But one of the things I love about Buffy are the things that come back.. Small things that reminds us about what i was like in the beginning of the show. They mention stuff or say stuff we know they've learned/heard about/seen years ago.. And there's some of that in season 7 but not much, and a lot of things changes and reminds us nothing about anything..
 
Did the noncemented-initative, magic jacket, scythe and ubervamps lessen your love for the show?

For me...yes. I was extremely annoyed by all of this, and it really lessened my enjoyment of the show as a whole.

I had come to expect consistent characters and plots from this show, and S7 didn't deliver.
 
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