Season 7: The Weaker Season?

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By many it's been claimed as the weakest season, minus Season 1 because of loss of Core 4 interaction and good plots. What do you think? Do you agree?

I think it's a weaker season, yes. The first seven episodes were fantastic, two of them being in my top 15. "Lessons" was a great season opener, one of the best. "Beneath You" featured that amazing scene at the end. "Same Time, Same Place" had a totally gross and creepy MOTW. "Help" was very emotional and Azura Ray (or whatever) is awesome. "Selfless" goes in depth into one of the best characters in the Jossverse, imo. "Him" is just funny. And "Conversations With Dead People" is just creepy, amazingly well written, and a totally unique idea. And Xander wasn't even it! But it still ruled!

Then, imo, The First became lackluster. Like, it's not corporeal. What can it do? Oh, yeah. Taunt. It was stupid and lame. Plus, plot holes wrecked the whole thing, and the Potentials were annoying and destroyed character interaction. They brought all the characters down, except Anya and Dawn, who shined through, imo. Spike got too much screentime and him and the Potentials took away from the characters we were grown with and loved. Not too mention, it changed them....for the worse. See "Get It Done" for the girl who was taunted (looks like The First can ACTUALLY do something)! Buffy called her a pathetic loser. What the hell?

Any other opinions? Cause I just ranted 😛 :lmao:
 
I agree about what you said of the first half of the season...I was so excited by what was happening, I felt like it was getting back to the heights of seasons 2 and 3, but then we started getting potentials and everything went to hell.

I think the idea of the First and the potentials was fantastic but very poorly executed. I mean they all didn't have to be annoying, they could have been written better. The fractures and disunity in the scooby gang personally ruined it for me, there were so many issues coming to a head in this season and it just didn't feel like they were dealt with right.

I do however love how it finshed, that felt right...its the middle that I have issue with. In a season that was dedcated to 'Potential', it never seemed to live up to it's own.
 
Keanoite said:
I think the idea of the First and the potentials was fantastic but very poorly executed. I mean they all didn't have to be annoying, they could have been written better. The fractures and disunity in the scooby gang personally ruined it for me, there were so many issues coming to a head in this season and it just didn't feel like they were dealt with right.
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Agreed. The First needed to be changed. It needed to have a purpose. On another forum, we actually had a thread talking about how we could change Season 7 and make it better. The First needed a motive, needed better lackeys, and most importantly, it needed to be corporeal. Also, the scoobies have to be closure, yep 😀 The Potentials, imo, were a bad idea from the start, mainly because they were boring and took away my favorite characters screen time 🙁

I do however love how it finshed, that felt right...its the middle that I have issue with. In a season that was dedcated to 'Potential', it never seemed to live up to it's own.
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I thought Dirty Girls was great, though. As was End of Days. Touched was okay, but I really didn't like Chosen. I think it didn't do the series justice ::huh1::

Agreed, and nice pun 😛

Nice vid, GateGod!
 
This season had a lot of pretty good episodes. Lessons, Selfless , Conversations With Dead People , The Killer In Me, Storyteller, Lies My Parents Told Me, Touched

All of those were amazing episodes So I can't say the season sucked ^_^, maybe I'm biased after just watching it though
 
I didn't think it sucked, at all. Just worse than the rest and could have been dealt with better.

I actually hate The Killer In Me and Lies My Parents Told Me. Like, really hate. And Touched was okay, imo.

But, I loved Lessons, Help, Selfless, Conversations With Dead People, Storyteller, and Dirty Girls.
 
There was so much going on in this season that I felt a little overwhelmed.
I have to say that the 'First' was a very interesting idea and I loved the Turok Han in it's first appearance, then it seemed to get easier to kill than the Borg!!!
Caleb however, he was the HIGHLIGHT of the season. When he joined, The First 'got good' again. I loved the interaction here and Nathan did a grand job.

I think that the Potentials were needed too. I recently rewatched '7' and found them to be ok. I even liked Kennedy alot more and Rona.
I wish we could have had more time with them and maybe explored more than just two of them(Kennedy and Amanda).

Wood got on my tits immensely (and its can't be DB Woodsides fault because he's ace in 24). I felt this was out of place for me. The whole 'my mother was a Slayer' storyline would have been better served in season 5 when Buffy wanted to know more about the Slayer, but then we couldn't have really had the same resolution to the Spike/Wood/Buffy thing, could we?

Willow's 'love affair' should have been stripped away. Not because I hate Kenny and love Tara, but because it didn't feel right at all so close after losing Tara.

Selfless was a great episode but the problem with Anya and Xander this season was that they didn't get married in Hells Bells. Honestly, I think it would have made for a better story for them and a better dynamic. I got kinda bored with the 'will they/won't they' of the season.

Dawn, well Dawn should have evolved and I don't just mean into a woman. I wanted some residual 'Key' thing. I wanted something marvellous.

I also think that Spikes 'soul' was too much. Its not that I didn't want Spike with a soul, its just that it was another thing not really allowed to be explored because so much is going on.

Faith near the end was genius, Giles was actually great this season even though I hated him for his part in Buffy being evicted HOWEVER that wasn't out of character.

Andrew was brilliant too, a wonderful addition to the season.
 
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Yeah, there was enough material in Season 7 to fill 2 or even 3 normal seasons. It was like Whedon had all of these great ideas, and he just HAD to get them out before the series was over.
Bored of the Dead said:
There was so much going on in this season that I felt a little overwhelmed.
I have to say that the 'First' was a very interesting idea and I loved the Turok Han in it's first appearance, then it seemed to get easier to kill than the Borg!!!
Caleb however, he was the HIGHLIGHT of the season. When he joined, The First 'got good' again. I loved the interaction here and Nathan did a grand job.

I think that the Potentials were needed too. I recently rewatched '7' and found them to be ok. I even liked Kennedy alot more and Rona.
I wish we could have had more time with them and maybe explored more than just two of them(Kennedy and Amanda).
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I loved Caleb, too! 😀 But, I didn't like Kennedy. She was really bratty, imo.

Wood got on my tits immensely (and its can't be DB Woodsides fault because he's ace in 24). I felt this was out of place for me. The whole 'my mother was a Slayer' storyline would have been better served in season 5 when Buffy wanted to know more about the Slayer, but then we couldn't have really had the same resolution to the Spike/Wood/Buffy thing, could we?

Willow's 'love affair' should have been stripped away. Not because I hate Kenny and love Tara, but because it didn't feel right at all so close after losing Tara.
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I just think Wood didn't fit into the story. I don't know. Also, Spike's grudge was never explored, other than in "Lies My Parents Told Me", where it was done poorly and where Giles betrayed Buffy. I can understand him wanting to kill Spike, though. I mean, I wanted to all season! 😛

I didn't like Willow and Kennedy because Willow would never go for Kennedy. Kennedy and Willow are not alike one bit and it was OOC for her to go out with her, imo.

Selfless was a great episode but the problem with Anya and Xander this season was that they didn't get married in Hells Bells. Honestly, I think it would have made for a better story for them and a better dynamic. I got kinda bored with the 'will they/won't they' of the season.

Dawn, well Dawn should have evolved and I don't just mean into a woman. I wanted some residual 'Key' thing. I wanted something marvellous.
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I loved Selfless, too. In my top 15 :heart: And I actually liked the decision that Xander made, and I don't think it was wrong of him to make that decision, just wrong that he walked out on her. I liked a lot of what they did in the season, like the talk in "Storyteller" and the make out session between them in "Touched". It was nice, imo.

Dawn was one of my favorite things of the season, actually. I know there wasn't a lot of plot growth for her, but character growth? Hell yeah! She wasn't a stupid, whinny little kid anymore. She was actually cool!

I also think that Spikes 'soul' was too much. Its not that I didn't want Spike with a soul, its just that it was another thing not really allowed to be explored because so much is going on.

Faith near the end was genius, Giles was actually great this season even though I hated him for his part in Buffy being evicted HOWEVER that wasn't out of character.

Andrew was brilliant too, a wonderful addition to the season.
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Well, I kinda thought the soul thing was repetitive and I didn't like Crazy Spike in the beginning, although James Marsters sure did a good job. The thing is, Spike didn't act totally different from Chipped Spike, other than him not trying to rape Buffy :lmao:

I loved Faith too :heart:

Andrew was okay. His best moment was in "Get It Done" where he walked out with his oven mits! LOL!
 
It's basically back to the same answer everytime...they tried to do to much and at times it imploded (no pun inteneded)
 
But, I didn't like Kennedy. She was really bratty, imo.
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Can you really use it against a character that they were what they were supposed to be. Isn't hating Kennedy because she was bratty like hating Buffy because she was the Slayer?

I began to like Kennedy after the fourth time watching BUT I still hate her and Willow together, it just doesn't work after Wills loss.

I loved Selfless, too. In my top 15 And I actually liked the decision that Xander made, and I don't think it was wrong of him to make that decision, just wrong that he walked out on her. I liked a lot of what they did in the season, like the talk in "Storyteller" and the make out session between them in "Touched". It was nice, imo.
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They became so boring and repetitive. If season 7 showed us anything its that Xander made a mistake and they certainly didn't deal with that. Xander so so poorly used in the season that he isn't even in one episode and you don't notice his absense, in fact on first viewing of the entire season you'd be forgiven for not pin pointing which episode he isn't in.

Dawn was one of my favorite things of the season, actually. I know there wasn't a lot of plot growth for her, but character growth? Hell yeah! She wasn't a stupid, whinny little kid anymore. She was actually cool!
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The only character that had some true growth in the season but even that lacked something. She needed a power. OK we'd not have had Xanders moment of what his 'power' is in potential, but still, I wanted this chica to be someone formidable.

Well, I kinda thought the soul thing was repetitive and I didn't like Crazy Spike in the beginning, although James Marsters sure did a good job. The thing is, Spike didn't act totally different from Chipped Spike, other than him not trying to rape Buffy
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I don't think it was repetitive, on the contrary when it began it was a polar opposite to the story we knew of Angel not better not worse. I just wanted more.
Also, i'm pleased you can 'lol' at the attempted rape scene and mock, i'm sure thats what the intention of that was🙂
 
I really love season 7 and I don't feel it was the weaker season at all.
 
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I don't believe it was the weaker season either. I truly enjoyed it over season 2
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i also loved this season, i thought the story line was great
Bored of the Dead said:
Can you really use it against a character that they were what they were supposed to be. Isn't hating Kennedy because she was bratty like hating Buffy because she was the Slayer?

I began to like Kennedy after the fourth time watching BUT I still hate her and Willow together, it just doesn't work after Wills loss.
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Just because a character is supposed to be something doesn't mean you have to like it because of that. Bratty is a character trait while a slayer is a position. Character traits are what make people good or bad in peoples eyes so if you give a character a bad character trait, you can expect them to react negatively.

They became so boring and repetitive. If season 7 showed us anything its that Xander made a mistake and they certainly didn't deal with that. Xander so so poorly used in the season that he isn't even in one episode and you don't notice his absense, in fact on first viewing of the entire season you'd be forgiven for not pin pointing which episode he isn't in.
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He didn't need to be in "CWDP", though. He could've seen Jess, but he did not NEED that. Jess would not have helped the Anya issue, either.

The only character that had some true growth in the season but even that lacked something. She needed a power. OK we'd not have had Xanders moment of what his 'power' is in potential, but still, I wanted this chica to be someone formidable.
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I don't dislike Dawn for not having a power, because not everyone has to have one. We have a house full of powers from witches, to potentials, to vamps, to slayers. We don't need more super powered people.

Also, i'm pleased you can 'lol' at the attempted rape scene and mock, i'm sure thats what the intention of that was🙂
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I was trying to say how little Spike changed from Season 6, and that was the only thing, and it's an absolutely horrible thing. I wasn't trying to say it's funny or anything ::huh1::
 
I don't think Season 7 was weaker, I liked the story they had going and I don't see the flaws as that big, if people watched more closely there are a good few explanations in there. I could have down with a little less screen time for Spike, like the episode where he gets his chip out, I know it shows Buffy trusts him, but we already knew that, that could have been brought up at a later time.

I also really liked the potentials, I dare anyone to be put in their situation and not moan, you don't have super powers, your destined to maybe have them in the future, and you have the one person in the world (If you ignore faith) barking commands at you, I know I would have moaned allot more then they would have, I also would have shoved Buffy through the door so fast it would have left her head spinning, They had no reason to trust her, they had only met her, who gives their life over so easily to someone you just met!

Definitely could have done without Robin, I'd agree with BoTD, not the actor as he's awesome in 24, but he could have been left out.
 
I would have to watch all the seasons again to put them in any order. Some episodes I haven't watched in a long time.

The important thing is that every season was excellent and not one of them was far worse than the others. They were just different.

About Season 7, I don't recall how The First was destroyed. Spike's amulet channelled a huge pillar of light and Sunnydale collapsed. Was the first evil vanquished along with the hellmouth and ubervamps?
 
Thats what we are trying to figure out on another thread! The First isn't defeated in the same way the Mayor or Adam was. It always exist, but it was weakened by the Sunnydale implosion and if it wants to attack again it will have to wait for another opening, which could be never. So it's more dormant than defeated.
 
What I would change about season 7 to make me enjoy it:

1- Make it into two seasons:

There was so much happening that 22 episodes weren't enough to cover.

2- Re-write Angel coming over.

He acted stupidly. And seriously, he shouldn't be there.

3- No amulet.

Stupid, stupid, last minute thought idea.

4- The Scythe.

I think it's a cool weapon. But I'd re-write that story one more time.

5- No new romance for Willow.

I think it wasn't needed. Willow could have gained her confidence with the help of Xander or Dawn. Simply to the those two more screen time. I'd love if it was Dawn. She showed obvious distrust toward Willow in Same Time, Same Place. I wish they kept that going, then had her be the one to help Willow out in The Killer in Me.

If S7 was two seasons, I would have liked the Willow/Kennedy ship, it just needed more time to develop.

6- No The First Giles stupid sub-plot.

Because it was wasted and stupid.

7- An explanation to Giles' weird behavior.

I understand why people call him PodGiles, however, his actions could be in character if the writers gave us a reason why he acted like that.
 
Watcher1986 said:
I would have to watch all the seasons again to put them in any order. Some episodes I haven't watched in a long time.

The important thing is that every season was excellent and not one of them was far worse than the others. They were just different.

About Season 7, I don't recall how The First was destroyed. Spike's amulet channelled a huge pillar of light and Sunnydale collapsed. Was the first evil vanquished along with the hellmouth and ubervamps?
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Nope, not at all. It's army was destroyed, weakening it's plan but The First is just there....taunting or boring people to death.....
 
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