Season 7: The Weaker Season?

Season Seven is my second or third favorite season of the series. To me, it is the ultimate expression of the old adage -"You are your own worst enemy". And the First Evil came dangerously close to proving just that. It's a pity that most of the fans were incapable of understanding this.

As for the loss of the Core 4 . . . it was about time. I find it ridiculous that the fans wanted the Scoobies to stay together . . . forever. I find that immature. They have to grow. They can't stick together . . . always. How on earth are they going to form their own lives? I was happy when Andrew told Spike that the Scoobies had separated, but remained friends. It told me that they were finally growing up. Then Whedon ruined it by bringing them back together for the comics. Now, they'll probably stagnate for the rest of their adult lives . . . like the "Fang Gang" on ANGEL.
 
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i don't feel that season seven was the weakest season at all. i loved season 7. were there episodes that just blew me away at how ridiculous they were? yes. did each episode pretty much give me at least one satisfying moment? yes. i think that season seven had it's ups and downs, but nothing that you could argue wasn't in previous seasons.

i think s7 just makes the series complete. it was frakking awesome. everytime, i swear, i can't help but cry at the end of empty places. heartbreaking. s7 ranks very high for me opposed to other seaosns who had just as many "bad" episodes or worse. i honestly am not a fan of bangel and season 2, especially. and any episode that has some sort of crappy reptile, insect thing...
 
I'm on the fence about Season 7. Whereas it had it's good moments and bad moments, I think overall there were some things that just didn't sit well with me within Buffyverse, y'know? Like all these darned potentials! Too many characters to keep track of. The only one I really remembered was Kennedy, for obvious reasons.

I think also with S7, it was like we all knew it would be the last season and I for one was prepared to judge it pretty harshly. I think that going into something like the potentials was just... it could have been done sooner, maybe that would have led up to S7 being a bit better. And I'm still just ticked off that Tara never made it to S7!

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Oh! And I really would have liked to have seen them do another series, in non-comic book form!
 
I think the main problem with season seven is that Whedon & co. were just bending over backwards as they raced towards the pre-determined, grand epic ending that much of the eps in the middle sufferred as a result. (And not leaving a lot of room for stand-alone episodes).

Personally, I would have severely reduced the number of Potentials in Buffy's care (keep Amanda, Rona, Vi, Kennedy and two or three others with a more international flavour). Hence, as they Potentials get picked off, it really looks possible the Bringers might succeed - plus it helps develop these Potential Slayers as characters more. Between the regulars, Giles, Faith, and new recurring characters like Wood and Andrew, there is simply too many characters crammed into the plot as it is.

And the whole plot of the First constantly taunting the Scoobies becomes ridiuclously overdone. (Not to mention lacking in tension when it's copped it is the First). And for God's sake more villains then just Caleb, the Bringers and the Uber-vamps! And what's the harm in more Clem, would have loved to seen him develop more as comic relief then Andrew.

Also, it would have been worth it to see Faith come in earlier and struggle to win back the trust of Buffy and co. Plus, it would have been interesting to see the ending play out with Buffy becoming normal, sacrificing her powers for Willow's spell - and now most definitely having the chance to live out a normal life. And with Faith finding her place training the Potentials alongside Wood, would have left it open for a most awesome spin-off. 🙂
 
palabravampiress
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Neat ideas!
I dont think Season7 was the weakest season either, I liked the majority of it. The main problem is that they were trying to wrap up a lot of things in Season7 and there just wasnt enough time to do that.
 
omg I can't believe I never said this "Season 7 was the weakest because it killed off Anya." but then again I can't say that because in season 1 there wasn't even an Anya... so still Season 7 isn't the weakest season. Kennedy which all you hate, I loved. The Killer in me was perfection. I don't even think this is the second weakest season. Maybe the third?
 
For me, it was one of the more stronger and more fascinating seasons for me. Mind you, I think that unlike ANGEL . . . BUFFY's seasons have been consistently first-rate, even if one might be better than another.
 
I love season 7, I felt the writing and the performances and the actual storyline archs to be strong, simple and top knotch. It had a spark that the show lost in season 4, 5 & 6, and was immediately retained with the First.

It explored the different emotional issues with each character, explored the different narcasitc evilness that I have never seen in the show not since "Druscilla" lol

It was a dark season, it went back to the beginning of all evil, The First, and had many charming/sad storyarchs along the way.

The one thing I never got was how the heck The First got to be the shape and form of Buffy... Was that because she died twice?.. I never got that. lol
 
The one thing I never got was how the heck The First got to be the shape and form of Buffy... Was that because she died twice?.. I never got that. lol


Not only did The First get to "be" Buffy because she had died (2x), but thanks to the 'bringing back' of Buffy in S:6 The First found it's loophole to work it's First-y Like Things and "be" Buffy at all.
 
I always thought Season Seven was the weakest season because you could almost tell that they were trying to wrap up too many storylines all at once and it made many things left WIDE open. For example the whole issue of Dawn finally growing up and patrolling and joining the Scobby gang, really aside from the first episode Dawn's training was ignored. Xander and Anya were just there for the most part this season. I mean I think before the potential slayers arrived Season Seven was looking to be the best, but then the potentials showed up and all the focus went to them instead of the core characters that made us tune in every week.

It's Buffy, Dawn, Willow, Xander, and Anya in the opening credits not Buffy and the other slayers.
 
I agree that season 7 was looking great until the potentials showed up. I still can't get over that. They should have only had one or two potentials show up in Sunnydale instead of turning the Summer's home into an orphanage. It was still an okay season but it could have been a lot better if the potentials were kept to a minimum instead of being made the focus of the season.
 
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I pretty much agree with the majority and think season 7 was weakened by the amount of material and number of characters that it tried to not only include, but "wrap up," as well. I'd rate it as the second weakest season. Season 1 is, I think, the weakest.
 
I do think alot of the time was spend way too much on the Potentials. I also thought Willow/Kennedy's pairing up was quite fast actually. It just went by me so quick.. lol. I know Willow was probably to ready to move on still but it seemed that Kennedy was doing the fast track pursuing in that particular new relationship.

The more the potenials arrived and also died.. the focus went on the first and on the potentials. I really think there should have been some sort of time spent on the scoobies too, I mean it was pointed out Dawn's growing up was acknwoledged but apart from that she was ignored in terms of becoming apart of the gang and helping out in patrols.

There was alot of things that needed to be cleared up but it was never cleared up. However still though season 7 is my favourite season nonetheless. 🙂
 
I am attempting to watch season 7 straight through for the first time. I really do not know what the writers were thinking during this season and I will blame that on Marti instead of Joss.

Why is Andrew in the season? Why is he taking screen time away from Xander? He is an accessory to murder, rape, armed/magical robbery, and o yea his best friend killed Tara. Tell me again why I should like him.

What happened to Willow? O yea that idiotic drug metaphor nerfs her ability through most of the season. I haven't watched the episodes with her and Kennedy but from what I can see it'll be a purely physical relationship. I'll still watch the show if I'm supposed to think that there is a deeper connection than pure physical attraction but I'll mutter to myself that the writers are even worse than I thought.

O and Buffy, its a shame that she is not even likable anymore. When did this show become about a solo slayer that begrudgingly asks her 'friends' for help. For the longest time this show was about how Buffy remained alive because of her connections to this world but suddenly that doesn't matter. Her victory over the Turok-Han in the construction site was ridiculous on so many levels. And when did she decide that trapping people with a Vampire was a good idea. Wasn't she morally outraged when the council did something similar to her? When did she develop the ability to use telepathy? And could she get anymore self involved as a counselor? I'm talking about her meeting w/ the potential where she talks about her relationship with Spike.

Grr, this could have been a great season but the writing was just pathetic. I am at the Killer in Me and the last two episodes left me with my mouth wide open in disgust and at times indifference. I've watched bits and pieces of the other episodes. I always tried to watch it when it was on originally but I'd change the channel with commercials and end up missing a good portion of the episode or finding something else on tv. I know it won't stop but a little less exposition would help. It wouldn't have hurt to have some actual dialog instead of speeches too.
I wish Xander or Willow would have brought up Adam during one of Buffy's speeches about how great and powerful she is.
 
Watch the whole of the season, then come back and try again. Don't judge something you haven't watched the whole way through.

And, in case you hadn't noticed, Buffy doesn't have telepathic powers, Willow does. Hence how Willow can hear Buffy's thoughts, and call Xander into the kitchen with them.. Buffy doesn't call him, Willow does- its THE WITCH that has the telepathic powers. Obviously.

Andrew was an interesting twist in the story- he might be an accessory, but he's also a pawn, but an unwilling one, which makes it more interesting. Andrew as a character is also extremely funny to watch.. he tries to integrate himself into Slayer Central, but it doesn't really work. He's not a threat, so he's allowed to be.

Willow and Kennedy I disliked, but that's because I didn't think enough time had feasibly passed for Willow to be entering a new relationship- its a personal thing. And have you ever been addicted to anything?? It's exactly right that you wouldn't be able to do it/use it/whatever if you were recovering from an addiction. I think that was portrayed perfectly- if you're an addict, you have to abstain, even if it's hard- and that's exactly what Willow was doing- what did you want, for her to miraculously get over it and be fine and carry using magic as though season 6 hadn't happened? Because no-one would have a problem with Willow coming back rehabilitated and back to normal, as it's such a normal thing to happen after a few months!

Buffy isn't talking about how great and powerful 'she' is, per se, more the 'slayer' is. Which could be any of the girls if she dies. And as she says herself, she's got a wicca who won't-a, and no-one else with any sort of power... it is all about her, especially now. What is everyone else going to do?? She's the one who has to stop it, and I'm sure she feels more than partially responsible for everything considering it's the fact that she lives that's the catalyst for all this.

And as for the turok han part, I think what she did was brilliant. There was dissension in the ranks, and the best thing she could do was to unite them all. They thought that if Buffy couldn't defeat the thing, what chance would they all have? So she showed them just what it means to be the slayer, she showed them that it was just like any other vampire and it could be beaten- it's called giving them hope, resolve and something to fight for. It was a great idea.
Comparing that to the Cruciamentum is just laughable. That was a psychotic vampire she was trapped ALONE with, while it held her mother hostage and she had NO powers. It's a completely different situation- in this case, Buffy has power, there are dozens of people, they are far enough away from the Turok Han to be out of danger and if worst came to worst, I'm sure Willow would break from her recovery to sort it out... Buffy isn't stupid, it wasn't a rash decision but a carefully calculated one that was extremely successful.

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Quote: Bored of the Dead- 'You were expecting something else. PR went in expecting to be disappointed, so he was. There is no way Season 7 would have been good enough for him. He isn't a proper fan of Buffy, he should be removed from BB and the world'

*snorts* Of course, what WAS I thinking?? It's simple fact!

But I just don't understand how someone can be so unbelievably critical of something they haven't seen all the way through!!! Watch it, then come back and criticise it, and we might, just might, take something you say with more than a gain of salt (maybe a pinch even, if you're lucky).
 
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You were expecting something else. PR went in expecting to be disappointed, so he was. There is no way Season 7 would have been good enough for him. He isn't a proper fan of Buffy, he should be removed from BB and the world
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Watch the whole of the season, then come back and try again. Don't judge something you haven't watched the whole way through.

And, in case you hadn't noticed, Buffy doesn't have telepathic powers, Willow does. Hence how Willow can hear Buffy's thoughts, and call Xander into the kitchen with them.. Buffy doesn't call him, Willow does- its THE WITCH that has the telepathic powers. Obviously.

Andrew was an interesting twist in the story- he might be an accessory, but he's also a pawn, but an unwilling one, which makes it more interesting. Andrew as a character is also extremely funny to watch.. he tries to integrate himself into Slayer Central, but it doesn't really work. He's not a threat, so he's allowed to be.

Willow and Kennedy I disliked, but that's because I didn't think enough time had feasibly passed for Willow to be entering a new relationship- its a personal thing. And have you ever been addicted to anything?? It's exactly right that you wouldn't be able to do it/use it/whatever if you were recovering from an addiction. I think that was portrayed perfectly- if you're an addict, you have to abstain, even if it's hard- and that's exactly what Willow was doing- what did you want, for her to miraculously get over it and be fine and carry using magic as though season 6 hadn't happened? Because no-one would have a problem with Willow coming back rehabilitated and back to normal, as it's such a normal thing to happen after a few months!

Buffy isn't talking about how great and powerful 'she' is, per se, more the 'slayer' is. Which could be any of the girls if she dies. And as she says herself, she's got a wicca who won't-a, and no-one else with any sort of power... it is all about her, especially now. What is everyone else going to do?? She's the one who has to stop it, and I'm sure she feels more than partially responsible for everything considering it's the fact that she lives that's the catalyst for all this.

And as for the turok han part, I think what she did was brilliant. There was dissension in the ranks, and the best thing she could do was to unite them all. They thought that if Buffy couldn't defeat the thing, what chance would they all have? So she showed them just what it means to be the slayer, she showed them that it was just like any other vampire and it could be beaten- it's called giving them hope, resolve and something to fight for. It was a great idea.
Comparing that to the Cruciamentum is just laughable. That was a psychotic vampire she was trapped ALONE with, while it held her mother hostage and she had NO powers. It's a completely different situation- in this case, Buffy has power, there are dozens of people, they are far enough away from the Turok Han to be out of danger and if worst came to worst, I'm sure Willow would break from her recovery to sort it out... Buffy isn't stupid, it wasn't a rash decision but a carefully calculated one that was extremely successful.

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Quote: Bored of the Dead- 'You were expecting something else. PR went in expecting to be disappointed, so he was. There is no way Season 7 would have been good enough for him. He isn't a proper fan of Buffy, he should be removed from BB and the world'

*snorts* Of course, what WAS I thinking?? It's simple fact!

But I just don't understand how someone can be so unbelievably critical of something they haven't seen all the way through!!! Watch it, then come back and criticise it, and we might, just might, take something you say with more than a gain of salt (maybe a pinch even, if you're lucky).

Every complaint I've made about this season has been stated time and again. If there was a episode section I'd air my complaints in that section. I just resurrected this thread since I figured it'd be a better place instead of messing up the board w/ separate threads about the episodes I did or didn't like. And I'm really just venting. I'd rather do it here. My friends think I'm nuts for watching and usually enjoying everything the Whedon clan puts on television.

I'm in the process of wrapping up my Buffy marathon. I've re-watched season 1-7 (ep 17 as of now) over the past couple months. I'm not a big fan of anything out on TV because I just hate commercials so I've been watching my old favorites. I didn't know a thing about season 6 before I watched other than Willow is the Big Bad and Spike gets his soul back. As for season 7 I knew pretty much all the details from both spoilers and flipping the channels. Wow, thats some useless info.

I even find myself liking a few of the episodes in season 7. I wouldn't put any of them into my top 10 but they've been interesting. I've even liked how they've developed Spike even though I don't agree w/ his existence in the buffyverse. As for Andrew I figure the police might want to arrest a guy who is wanted for robbing an armored car. I honestly see no point to his existence other than Marti or Joss feel the need for a closeted gay character. Or maybe the writers just like the actor. Who really knows their reasoning? You all might.

Anyway, the Giles subplot through out the first half of the season was pretty much worthless. Is he dead or not? Are we supposed to be shocked that he's not the First? I did however love his dry humor about touching young girls. Were these people living in the same house? And how could no one sit down and eat with him or hug or do anything that'd prove that they're not the First. You'd think by now that they'd shake hands or hug at every discussion.

As for MAJOR plot holes. Season 4 finale the Initiative is buried in concrete. Damn there were a few more in that very episode but they all related to the Initiative. If I ever re-watch season 7 I'll let you know. As for Clem, he would have been insulted by Buffy stating that his skin looked toned. He doesn't like how humans look so why would he smile at that remark? Another thing, could someone tell Buffy that the Slayer line runs through Faith now? Or is there a third activated slayer roaming the Earth? I don't write down all the things that make me shake my head but those stood out for some reason. O and how didn't Buffy figure out that Spike killed Wood's mom when he first mentioned his mother? Is it that hard for her to do math?

And about the vampire trap. I was referring to the episode where Buffy and Spike leave the girls alone in a crypt with a newly sired Vampire. In case I'm missing something these potentials are just regular girls with heightened reflexes. One, two, three or all of them could have been injured or killed while fighting that Vampire.

About that Turok-Han fight. Obviously, the Turok-Han wiped the floor with Buffy in previous fights. I'm not exactly sure what strategic advantage she would gain by fighting it in front of the potentials other than to get another beat down. When did she figure out that holy water had any effect or was that a guess? (yea I miss the research scenes) If it doesn't work then thats the end of Buffy. In the actual fight scene she is getting demolished until she can suddenly deal with its punches. Up until that point she was tossed around like a rag doll and could never deal with its strength. I understand that in Buffyverse Buffy gains power after a 'little bad' tosses her around a couple times BUT if I was a writer I would have had the other characters help kill the Turok-Han to demonstrate AND reinforce that the Slayer will die if she is left on her own. Wasn't that the reason why Buffy was such a formidable opponent? And why Faith went to the dark side. Buffy's friends were capable of helping her win etc etc.

And the telepathy. You're right it was silly of me not to realize that it was Willow's power but is it a passive or active power? If its passive then you'd think that Kennedy and her would have telepathic convo's through out the day. Or would Willow mistakenly hear her thoughts etc etc. That scene would have worked just fine if the three adults leave the house and talk about whats going to happen. It wouldn't have taken much of the suspense out of the episode.

I've probably wrote a lot here and I apologize for any major grammatical mistakes or typos. I just think that season 7 had a lot of potential but so far it hasn't been realized because IMO the writers are flat out lazy. Maybe its because Marti has a greater say in the show. Or they are just trying to cram as much info into one season as possible. It's probably a mixture of all three.

And I believe I stated in the first post that I hated the drug metaphor. I know about addiction especially alcoholism. The magic as a drug came out of nowhere.
 
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I think our biggest issue has been that you have prejudged the season based on other peoples opinion and then presumed to pass along others comments. If we're wrong, sorry, if not then watch the whole season and try to form an unbiased view:)
^Good points. I didn't hate the season, but rather, just a little disappointed. Mostly due to the cut back on the core four. Not interaction, just the characters entirely. When the first visits Willow and Dawn, how come it didn't visit anyone else? Xander, okay, I can understand why to a point, but there would've been ways if the writers would've cared to be creative and include him. However, Giles doesn't get a visit from the first. Yet, Dawn does? Never really panned out for me. It just seemed they left the witty and creative writing in, but took storyline for granted. It had great potiential to be the best season, but a lot of what the show was about got lost in this final season.
 
I didn't hate season 7. As LadyLavinia said, every season of Buffy is amazing, even if some are better than others. I still have to say that season 1 was the worst because it mainly consisted of standalones and wasn't nearly as mature as the other seasons. Still, I have to say that season 7 was my second least favorite.

I'm not sure why I didn't like season 7 as much as the others. I won't blame it on Marti, since I think she did a fantastic job with season 6. The main reason certainly wasn't because of Andrew, since, well, I LOVE Andrew! It's definitely because of the Potentials. The other seasons circled around a group of very likable characters that we all got to know and love, and we just wanted to see them interact and deal with the crisis themselves. Then, they threw the not-so-likable Potentials into the mix. As someone said before, if there had only been a couple Potentials, it wouldn't have been as bad...but they shifted the main focus of the show away from Buffy and the Scoobies and towards this army of girls who really did nothing but complain. Also, I wasn't a fan of Spike in this season. He lacked the trademark wit that he had in the previous seasons. And, of course, I hate the Willow/Kennedy relationship, but I admit, it's mostly because she's so different from Willow and, more importantly, Tara.

All in all, season 7 was great, just not quite as good as seasons 2-6.
 
I like Season 7.

Of course, there are some bad stuff about it.
The main problem, to me, is, as many have said before me, the lack of real screentime for Willow and Xander. That's an absolute shame - I mean it, the writers should be ashamed! lol All for what? Spike. Spike again, and again. Why did we get to see SO MUCH Spike ? Well, because James is cute and had his lady-fans who watched just for his sweet face, abs and ass. Seriously. And I think that reason's just disappointing. More Willow, especially, was needed. Xand and she were just, like, in the background. Baaaaaaaaad idea. And so much Spike ? I don't have anything against him... nor have I anything for him, but, it was just too much. Who cared enough about him for enjoying one entire episode, just at the end of the whole SERIES, exclusively devoted to Spike ? I mean, come on. We GET it, we had gotten it since like the very beginning of the season.

Another thing, but that's just me, is the whole Kennedy thing. Actually... It's just Kennedy. Annoying. Not in the "boring" sense, more in the "please let the Ubervamps feed off her and kick her against a wall" sense. I think it's an insult for the whole Willow/Tara histoy to have given a new girlfriend to Willow that quick. I understand they wanted to show her more or less happy at the end of the season, but she didn't need that. As someone said, it would have been really more interesting to see her interact with Xander and Dawn. Those three characters were used spontaneously, like when you needed someone to say something, and had like one episode for each of them and that's it. Absolute shame.

However, I agree with the fact that this season was just so greatly built, it was like watching a movie. It was very interesting for a last season. I mean, it had obviously been thought through before the beginning, and prepared, and developped, and that was great.

I loved the ending. I just thought it was so clever (especially from Buff 😛) to give the Slayer power (no, I did not say "Flower Power", pay attention!) to every Potential... It was, to me, the perfect ending I would never have thought about. And that goes for the whole godessy-Willow thing, and the back-to-basis thing with "The Earth is definitely doomed" and each character leaving Buffy in the opposite order they had met...
Anya's death was really hard for me, but I think it was good and realistic, even though I miss her terribly in Season 8 (as I still miss Tara) : I mean, in a battle like this, you just HAD, at ONE time, to have someone dying during the fight. Xander's luck is too good to be true, so someone had to pay.

Imo, Andrew was useless but I liked his episode.

Something I didn't like was also the lack of explanations : the whole Joyce appearance thing, the ubervamps-are-so-strong-Buffy-has-a-hard-time-killing-one-but-after-that-everyone-succeeds-in-killing-a-whole-bunch-of-them thing. I mean, I force myself to think of it like this : by killing one, Buffy has learnt much stuff, research could be more specific and ended up letting Anya teach the Potential about it (and her sex life); and so, it was easier to just kill them, like happy, floppy bunnies.

All in all, I really liked that season. To me, it's just apart, not like the other ones. It's about growth; something has changed, they all began to become adults in S6: now they're more confident. I loved it, actually, but some things are just regrettable.
 
palabravampiress
palabravampiress
Yes. WAY too much Spike.
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