Spike's not human, and when he was he was a snivelling weak human!
William was not a weak man. Where you getting this? You're judging him by his lack of cool as a human.
Liam was a drunkard, a womaniser. He had not the courage to be his own person, to become a man, always in the shadow of his father. Harmony as Cordelia so aptly put it, was a sheep, never daring to be different, not having the courage. William dared to be different. See the scene he asked Cecily out?? He knew she'd more than likely reject him, but he dared anyway. He had the strength(not much, but certainly more than Liam and Harm) to ask, Liam and Harmony were both much weaker than Liam. Do not judge mental strength on coolness.
But Spike merely showed a few months of remorse when he got his soul, Angel manages to show constant remorse, but still do good. Spike has showed that he really doesn't care about the people he has killed up until Damage:
Stop talking out your ass, wee man. Spike asked Buffy to kill him, because the remorse he felt when he killed those people in sunnydale and buried them in the cellar. That was people he killed, WHEN HE WAS NOT IN CONTROL. How do you think he feels about people he killed when he was in full control. You're desperatley trying to argue the same points over and over, but you gain absolutely no ground. Explain to me what Spike can do for the people he killed around the year 1900, or 1901, or 1902. Nothing. He can do nothing for them. All he can do is help those that need him, and thats what he does. Angel spent 100 years being too weak, too afraid to actually do anything. He was filled with self loathing, if you want to argue thats a good thing, well good luck with that. YOU WILL GET NO LEE-WAY from this end. Angel was a self loathing useless loser for 100 years. Spike was for what, 2 months?
Spike as realised that the way he has been dealing with the people he murdered was wrong, he should not have been ignoring them.
You're right! He should not be ignoring the people he killed! He should ask them round for tea! Maybe He should have asked Buffy to help dig them up!
The first part I highlighted shows that Spike can't deal with this pain, he is too weak to control it. Angel on the other hand can control it, and do good at the same time.
100 years vs couple of months. Figure it out.
The second part shows that he does agree that Angel's moping is right, he only doesn't say it cuz he won't admit to being wrong(Arrogance)
Are you retarded? Seriously, do you have some sort of learning difficulty?
Ha, yeah right, how so?
Angel also didn't have sex with Darla until episode 15 of season 2, that's almost 2 years after graduation day, and a year after he had last seen Buffy.
Spike had last seen Buffy about 5 months before he had sex with Harmony.
That has nothing to do with Buffy. Darla is a mass murdering serial killer. Harmony's just useless(and also not killing when Spike porks her), there is a big difference between the two. Your own argument regarding Harmony lends to this.
This is often a thing associated with rape, to make the victim feel 'love'. So yes it can make you a bad man!
Huh? WHat does "it can" have to do with anything. Spike's wanting to be loved made him a better man. Can happen has nothing to do with it, because it didn't.
He did actually go to Buffy to help her, he thought she was in danger with The Immortal, His petty rampage began after he found out she wasn't in danger but dating him!
Ye...good luck with that.
And yes the majority of the conversation about them being together, but in a couple of years, not at that moment in time!
She gave him the brush off for captain peroxide. Thats why their conversation became about the future, and not that moment in time.
No I'm not; I am using the same stick.
Spike got the soul for a selfish reason.
Angel only found out about that he could be made human a year after he left Buffy!
You mean you're using the same old shtick. I thought so, damnit!
Sorry yes you are correct it was DF, and he said that in his own opinion Spike was that better man and that he thought Spike should be the one to become human. (Thank god DF is not was not as in control as Joss!)
I don't recall him saying Spike should be the one to become human, but his opinion(Him being a writer on the show) was that Spike was a better man. Heck, he was writing for the characters, he must have a better eye for the situation.
Yes he did, so the same argument could be applied to you saying Spike never did anything as bad as Angel, by leaving the lawyers to die.
No it can't. That sort of lack-brained thinking is typical of your argument. By your reasoning I could say, its possible Angel could go nuts and kill 1000 people, so Spikes a better man, because he won't. Because what might happen is irrelevant. I'm not judging Spike and Angel 10 years from now, 20, whatever. Alley, last known location, Spike is a better man.
