My Dear Lord, can you get over yourself, you aren't the only person to be in a similar situation, and i know 100% you aren't the only person who has been raped and/or the brunt of an attempt within this very conversation."
Okay. I wasn't about to bother to add anything else TO this thread, because I had said what I believed, and was happy with it. Which is
(well, on all the other boards I belong to anyway) the whole POINT of a discussion board, but there is no way I am going to let some complete stranger treat me like that.
I have been around on other boards for many years and have only recently joined this one, thinking it might be interesting to discuss and DEBATE intelligently over Buffy, however I am now seriously questioning my decision. This is a prime example of why.
I Administrate my own board as well as modding on another one and if this were my board and you spoke to me OR more importantly, one of my members like that, I would be asking WHY you cannot stick with the subject at hand and how dare you, HOW DARE YOU tell a person, ANY person who has suffered ANY form of sexual assault, attack or rape to "get over themselves?" I have a feeling you are a man, because no woman would say something as insensitive as that.
The reason I mentioned that fact was because I was EXPLAINING the fact, that IF you have been in that situation, which I KNOW not everybody has, and NEVER SAID everybody has or that I was the only person! I KNOW that other people on this thread, (from reading their comments, which I have done though I wonder whether YOU have) have felt just as annoyed about this subject as me and have also been victims/attempted victimes of this crime. Seriously! Someone tell me! WHERE exactly in this thread do I say "oh dear me. Pooor me, I am the only person to have ever been raped...?" I didn't and I don't. So don't make up lies about me.
(Which you would know if you had bothered to actually READ my post properly before launching that personal attack on me, which makes me wonder more what kind of board this is if people just can't stick to the subject at hand without getting personal about it.)
Why are you so adamant on changing my point of view and unaccepting of the fact that my view is my view and I will not change it, just because you say so? You can attack me personally all you like but it only shows how unaccepting you sadly seem to be of anyone who doesn't understand or share your viewpoint? Is this one of those places where, if everyone doesn't agree 100% people turn on them and attack them until they do?
Because that's what that paragraph is to me. A personal verbal outright attack for absolutely no reason other than the fact that I believe Spike attempted to rape Buffy. I mean Jeez!
It's a t.v programme!! Is it really worth being THAT insulting about and getting THAT wound up over?
And by the way if anyone needs to "get over themselves" it certainly isn't me. I am quite happy with who I am, thank you very much and don't feel I need to go around putting down complete strangers just because I don't agree with every thing they ever say. And I CERTAINLY don't need my self-esteem validated by strangers.
"No one here is defending Spike as a rapist, no one here is defending the actions of a rapist, but you need to understand that in this one case BUFFY had some role to play in encouraging this behaviour."
Why do I "Need" to understand that exactly, especially when I disagree? Why can't you accept the fact that I don't agree with your opinion? I have watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and that particular episode probably as many times as you have and all I see is an attempted rape. Buffy asks Spike to leave and says she doesn't want him there. If he doesn't understand that it is his problem, not hers.
No, she shouldn't have slept with him earlier maybe, but she recognised that and finished with him. The fact he was not only attempting to rape her, but also following her after she broke it off with him and making a "Buffy-Bot" doll of her shows he was obsessive and was beyond the point of listening to reason. He was determined to get her to love him once more no matter what it took when she had made it clear that is not what she wanted. That does not make her the one who has "encouraged" the behaviour in anyway. She said no! No is no!
"Not one person here has said that Buffy deserved it, what they are saying is the reason she didn't come down so hard on him was because she understood that she was part of the reason he was there."
Actually there ARE people here who have said that Buffy deserved it, if you had bothered to read the thread (before you accuse ME of not doing so!) One of them was just before I posted this post, will go back and quote them all if neccessary.
"There is only one thing worse then someone who acts nochalantly about rape, its someone who has been raped and treats every single situation exactly the same."
How long have you known me? How many people who have been raped have you known? How can you just generalise like that and assume someone who has been raped will treat every situation exactly the same? Have you ever spoken to me outside of this thread? On any other boards? In real life? No? Therefore, what kind of arrogance is that to assume you know that I have, or would treat ANY situation the same?
That is, quite frankly, the most immature and contradictory judgement I have ever heard in my life. What are you, 5?
"But if you (can) read this entire conversation, you will see, even with glib remarks people have taken it seriously."
That is because rape is a serious issue, which you might realise if you bothered to learn about it, did some research into it, talked to people who had been raped, etc, as well as those who haven't but whose families have been affected by it, and I know MANY. I have several friends who have also been through this terrible ordeal, therefore I was speaking not only for myself, but also on their behalf, as well as on behalf of those who want to say something but get afraid because of arrogant reactions like this. So don't assume to know who I am or what I am thinking and especially throw lies at me that I never even said.
"So what if people have different attitudes towards something, big deal, i've seen people talk about Abortion as though its the best thing they could do, when it is one of those 'worst crimes of man' thing."
I know people have different attitudes. I'm not the one who seems to have a problem with that am I? You're the one who can't accept the fact that I disagree with you, so therefore. whole last paragaraph is a contradiction in itself. I was merely discussing my point on a discussion board. Not trying to change anyone's views, but it seems many people are trying to change mine and those are the people I am speaking to.
"Seriously, sorry about whatever happened to you but jeez, get of your high horse and respect that others have a different opinion based on what THEY have experienced.
