Okay. I wasn't about to bother to add anything else TO this thread, because I had said what I believed, and was happy with it. Which is
(well, on all the other boards I belong to anyway) the whole POINT of a discussion board, but there is no way I am going to let some complete stranger treat me like that.
I have been around on other boards for many years and have only recently joined this one, thinking it might be interesting to discuss and DEBATE intelligently over Buffy, however I am now seriously questioning my decision. This is a prime example of why.
I Administrate my own board as well as modding on another one and if this were my board and you spoke to me OR more importantly, one of my members like that, I would be asking WHY you cannot stick with the subject at hand and how dare you, HOW DARE YOU tell a person, ANY person who has suffered ANY form of sexual assault, attack or rape to "get over themselves?" I have a feeling you are a man, because no woman would say something as insensitive as that.
In your time as an admin on other boards, did you ever come across the correct use of the 'Quote' function, if not PM me and i'll give you a stpe by step guide
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Yes i am a man, so what. Now its only women that can suffer at the hands of a rapist, no, and talk about sexist, trust me there are women that say worse.
Listen, you have a sob story, fair enough, you let it cloud your judgement, thats your prerogative, but if you want to try and compare your situation and Buffy's and claim Buffy has no fault what so ever, then I, along with others that have, will tell you how wrong you are. You need to get a grip on reality.
This debate/discussion is about the entire senario, events leading to, the act itself and the outcome, yet you have purely focused on the act itself and made it out to be something its not.
Do i care if i have offended you, frankly no because you are obviously talking out of your arse.
I'm not even sure you have been assaulted, more then likely you are one of the few that 'pretends' to make their point seem valid.
The reason I mentioned that fact was because I was EXPLAINING the fact, that IF you have been in that situation, which I KNOW not everybody has, and NEVER SAID everybody has or that I was the only person! I KNOW that other people on this thread, (from reading their comments, which I have done though I wonder whether YOU have) have felt just as annoyed about this subject as me and have also been victims/attempted victimes of this crime. Seriously! Someone tell me! WHERE exactly in this thread do I say "oh dear me. Pooor me, I am the only person to have ever been raped...?" I didn't and I don't. So don't make up lies about me.
Not that it is ANY of your business but i have been in a situation like this with the exception that it passed the 'attempted' stage, so frankly your 'boohoo, you don't understand attitude because you are a man' phase disgusts me. You want sympathy, go to your friends, you want people who aren't emotionally attached to speak the truth as they see it, post online, but do NOT for one second cry foul when they don't agree with your skewered definitions.
You constantly, in most of your posts actually, compare this situation with your own, and honestly, i'm sure they are completely different.
(Which you would know if you had bothered to actually READ my post properly before launching that personal attack on me, which makes me wonder more what kind of board this is if people just can't stick to the subject at hand without getting personal about it.)
You're a Moron, You're a Moron, You're a Moron.
THATS a personal attack.
"My Dear Lord, can you get over yourself, you aren't the only person to be in a similar situation, and i know 100% you aren't the only person who has been raped and/or the brunt of an attempt within this very conversation."
THAT is a reply to your constant attempts to make everyone feel like you know what you are talking about because you "have" been "sexually assaulted".
This was(and still is) about an entire seasons worth of abuse from one character to another who inturn finally let go and did a terrible thing, but the constant comments about your own experience, that is still questionable in my mind, trying to project them onto a Vampire and Slayer is beyond pathetic.
Why are you so adamant on changing my point of view and unaccepting of the fact that my view is my view and I will not change it, just because you say so? You can attack me personally all you like but it only shows how unaccepting you sadly seem to be of anyone who doesn't understand or share your viewpoint? Is this one of those places where, if everyone doesn't agree 100% people turn on them and attack them until they do?
You know where the door is, cause i can show you!
I have no problem when someones view point is different to mine, what i DO have a problem with is when people disregard the information and superimpose their own feelings onto an event and make it about them, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DO!
Because that's what that paragraph is to me. A personal verbal outright attack for absolutely no reason other than the fact that I believe Spike attempted to rape Buffy. I mean Jeez!
It's a t.v programme!! Is it really worth being THAT insulting about and getting THAT wound up over?
But thats just the point, you either haven't watched season 6 or too ignorant of anything but the actual event to understand why Spike did it.
You are trying to come across as learned in this field, but your comments show an intense lack of knowledge and understandind.
Why do I "Need" to understand that exactly, especially when I disagree? Why can't you accept the fact that I don't agree with your opinion? I have watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and that particular episode probably as many times as you have and all I see is an attempted rape. Buffy asks Spike to leave and says she doesn't want him there. If he doesn't understand that it is his problem, not hers.
See...'all I see is an attempted rape' thats your problem. You missed the entire point of the season, you have ignored the relationship how it has worked so that it can fit with your personal theory that every single rape/attempted rape case is the sole responsibility of the person commiting the crime.
In most case i would agree, but this one on Buffy that we are discussing, this is about how she abused him for months and when he finally snapped in the only way he could, it led to this assault. She had used and abused him, making him believe things, making him want things, then with no real explanation drops him. I will not defend Spikes actions in the act itself, but i WILL defend him when all the blame is placed at his door by people like you who are totally ignorant of the FACTS of that particular relationship.
No, she shouldn't have slept with him earlier maybe, but she recognised that and finished with him. The fact he was not only attempting to rape her, but also following her after she broke it off with him and making a "Buffy-Bot" doll of her shows he was obsessive and was beyond the point of listening to reason. He was determined to get her to love him once more no matter what it took when she had made it clear that is not what she wanted. That does not make her the one who has "encouraged" the behaviour in anyway. She said no! No is no!
See, thats where your argument fails.
Firstly, Rape in this senario was not about the sex for either of them
She needed to feel something, even if it was disgust, she used him and abused him.
He loved her, he wanted to give her what he had to offer and what she TOOK.
Also, yeah, he loved her, it was hard for him to get passed that, which culminated in the Anya/Spike sex scene that Buffy ran to and showed her intense jealousy at what had happened. Spike is emotionally retarded in this case, its obvious.
Where does the Buffy-Bot come into the rape sequence?
The Buffy-Bot was an entire year earlier....yeah really sure you have seen this episode alot now!!!
Again, no one has said she encouraged him on the night.
You really need to read the posts. No one has said she deserved it either.
What has been said is that she wound him and wound him then snapped and let him go. The when its just dissipating she returns to him and shows complete jealousy at his actions with Anya.
How long have you known me? How many people who have been raped have you known? How can you just generalise like that and assume someone who has been raped will treat every situation exactly the same? Have you ever spoken to me outside of this thread? On any other boards? In real life? No? Therefore, what kind of arrogance is that to assume you know that I have, or would treat ANY situation the same?
That is, quite frankly, the most immature and contradictory judgement I have ever heard in my life. What are you, 5?
Ohh damn straight i am arrogant, i have no worries of admitting it, but your constant whining about this shows your lack of ability to deal with the issues of your own life and project them onto two very different characters on a TV show, so you can try and win a point.
Its not contradictory, had i said 'wow you have handled it well' followed by these comments THEN its contradictory.
That is because rape is a serious issue, which you might realise if you bothered to learn about it, did some research into it, talked to people who had been raped, etc, as well as those who haven't but whose families have been affected by it, and I know MANY. I have several friends who have also been through this terrible ordeal, therefore I was speaking not only for myself, but also on their behalf, as well as on behalf of those who want to say something but get afraid because of arrogant reactions like this. So don't assume to know who I am or what I am thinking and especially throw lies at me that I never even said.
Hahahaha, yeah, i'm sure. Well then there is another issue isnt there, speaking on behalf of others.
I have been through something similar myself and show a different view point, i'm sure that NO ONES view is the same as yours, but if it helps you get through your own life others ordeals the same as yours then knock yourself out, but DO NOT come on here and make out that you are talking on behalf of all your 'friends' and people on here because you really arent.
You want to live in a Black and white World where the Bad Guy is obvious, you do that, but don't expect anyone to agree with you because they might have a different insight.
I know people have different attitudes. I'm not the one who seems to have a problem with that am I? You're the one who can't accept the fact that I disagree with you, so therefore. whole last paragaraph is a contradiction in itself. I was merely discussing my point on a discussion board. Not trying to change anyone's views, but it seems many people are trying to change mine and those are the people I am speaking to.
I have no issue with you disagreeing, i have major issues with your lack of understanding and your obvious attempt to try and make every rape case just like yours...."I have several friends who have also been through this terrible ordeal, therefore I was speaking not only for myself, but also on their behalf, as well as on behalf of those who want to say something but get afraid because of arrogant reactions like this." in case you need reminding of a time you have made other cases out to be like yours.
You won't change your opinion, fine, i really don't care, you can live in a world of blissful ignorance for the rest of your life if you want, just don't assume because you feel this way everyone else in a similar situation feels the same.
I think you need to take your own "advice" and learn about how to respect opinions that differ FROM yours before you go labelling people you don't even know.
This entire post of yours has given me plenty more labels i could give you, but there are children around....but kudos, the Quote Function here was right
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