The Thing You Disliked Most About S6?

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EVIL UU said:
It's not about Buffy dating a vampire. Scoobies have a problem with Buffy bailing on them, OK? Running away without a word because...I don't know, it's not like Buffy ever bothered to explain why she left to LA to anybody.
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Yeah, but... she went to kill Angel to save the world; the world didn't end and she ran away. It doesn't take much do add 2 +2. What is worst: to have killed a loved one, or not get the answers (you certainly deserved) from your friend?
 
gite63 said:
What is worst: to have killed a loved one, or not get the answers (you certainly deserved) from your friend?
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How about having to guard the Hellmouth for 3 months without the benefit of any superpowers? That's gotta be pretty tough- risking your life like that and meanwhile not knowing where your friend is.

The Scooby's only get the full story at the end of 'Faith, Hope And Tricks' thanks to Giles managing to get the truth out of Buffy.
 
thetopher said:
How about having to guard the Hellmouth for 3 months without the benefit of any superpowers? That's gotta be pretty tough- risking your life like that and meanwhile not knowing where your friend is.
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And doing your absentee friend's 'job' for them. The world still needed saving and people unequipped to do that had to do that. Then she ridiculed them FOR doing that.
 
Eh... is this still about season 6? 😀

One of the things I disliked was the time-warp episode, where things were happening out-of-sequence to try and make Buffy think she killed someone. I also disliked Warren mind controlling and planning to rape Katrina. That may have been the same episode actually.
 
Fuffy Baith
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It's from the same episode, Dead Things.
*The bathroom scene in "Seeing Red".
*Spuffy.
*Tara's death (by Warren).
…and that's pretty much it (it's my favorite season after all 😛).
 
Of the litany of complaints issued against S6:

the trio were a stupid idea for a big bad (although it was evil Willow in the end, or "life itself" as others have mentioned from time to time). Like someone above mentioned, in previous seasons they are a baddie for 1 or 2 episodes at best. Somebody said they weren't cunning or smart and I concur completely. The fact that it took the scoobies an entire season to defeat them was a shameful embarrassment, fractured and hurting scoobs or not. Plus, they introduce a buffonish clowny-ness to the show that I really resent. It's like having the cast of Big Bang Theory come into the show; exaggerated caricature of human beings who try to force laughs with every word out of their mouths. The constant, non-stop painfully stupid and unfunny nerd references and things were just too much for me, really too much. They don't seem real after a point; real nerds are never that grossly exaggerated. And characters like that, pure imbecilic caricature, are really popular on television these days and the trio I see as their precursors, the direct antecedents of all these other types on other shows. They share the same DNA.

the darkness, the group disintegration and the personal problems and afflictions could have been incredibly compelling had it been done otherwise. This always comes to my mind vividly when I recall S6. I need to re-watch S6 though (admittedly it's been awhile now) to offer concrete suggestions for improvement though.
 
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YummySushiPJs said:
Eh... is this still about season 6? 😀

One of the things I disliked was the time-warp episode, where things were happening out-of-sequence to try and make Buffy think she killed someone. I also disliked Warren mind controlling and planning to rape Katrina. That may have been the same episode actually.
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I disliked that on so many levels. I mean, what does Buffy do - what do all the scoobs do when something weird happens? Research - go to Giles - go get books. Why would Buffy go turn herself into the police. Hell, even Spike made more sense than that. I was not too fond of the pound-him-into-a-pulp scene, particularly since no one ever even bothered to check on him before daylight. But that was minor compared to the entire lack of cohesion. This episode reads like the author had never even seen the show! Demons showing up, time going all wonky, a girl (who Buffy conveniently doesn't recognize) suddenly appearing on the ground - why would anyone in this universe assume that this was a simple accident?
 
AnthonyCordova
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great points.
bespangeled said:
I disliked that on so many levels. I mean, what does Buffy do - what do all the scoobs do when something weird happens? Research - go to Giles - go get books. Why would Buffy go turn herself into the police. Hell, even Spike made more sense than that. I was not too fond of the pound-him-into-a-pulp scene, particularly since no one ever even bothered to check on him before daylight. But that was minor compared to the entire lack of cohesion. This episode reads like the author had never even seen the show! Demons showing up, time going all wonky, a girl (who Buffy conveniently doesn't recognize) suddenly appearing on the ground - why would anyone in this universe assume that this was a simple accident?
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Because she believed that she had killed someone? I don't think knowing how serious Buffy takes these things it is that unbelievable. Also you have to factor in her frame of mind at the time. I don't think turning herself in made a lot of sense or was something I would have done, but I can still understand it coming from Buffy.
 
You wanna talk about the stupidity of that episode? Spike lives in a crypt in a cemetery connected to underground tunnels and he can't hide a body properly.

Nobody seems to have a friggin brain in S6 (apart from Tara), hence the Trio being allowed to run rampant for so long.
 
thetopher said:
You wanna talk about the stupidity of that episode? Spike lives in a crypt in a cemetery connected to underground tunnels and he can't hide a body properly.

Nobody seems to have a friggin brain in S6 (apart from Tara), hence the Trio being allowed to run rampant for so long.
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Hey, we all know that a century+ of dealing with death would never give any vamp any idea of how to hide a body....actually they would be more likely to pose the body for best effect. Forget I said that.....😳
 
Thing I disliked most was the way Xander was written. He was written as a plot device , not a character. Until he saves Willow/the World.

I feel the writers did a disservice to the character and to Nick Bradon. And I say this as someone who's not a big Xander fan.
 
cryptwarmer said:
Thing I disliked most was the way Xander was written. He was written as a plot device , not a character. Until he saves Willow/the World.

I feel the writers did a disservice to the character and to Nick Bradon. And I say this as someone who's not a big Xander fan.
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I mostly hate his role in OMWF. I don't really see Xander messing with magic on his own after BB&B - especially when he got angry at Willow for using a de-lusting spell in S3. And tried talking Willow out of bringing Buffy back. It's far more in character for Willow or Dawn to do it.

I don't mind the wedding disaster - we all know Xander had a terrible childhood and having to live through those visions would shake him up - I don't like what he did but at least it's in character. I also hated him going after Spike in Entropy, but it was also in character.
 
For the most part, I enjoyed season six. Aside from season four, it's probably my favorite. However, my only problem was the fact that the Big Bad ended up being Willow after Andrew, Warren, and Jonathan. I don't mind the idea of a normal, non-demon, human becoming the big enemy, but the only one who was "evil" was Warren. Andrew was easily influenced because he wanted to be liked, Jonathan was a pushover and while both of these boys wanted money, fame, power, etc. Warren wanted complete control and felt no remorse for his actions.

I wish there was another way they could have had Willow turn into the Big Bad at the end aside from how they went about it. I'm not a fan of the Tara/Willow pairing, because it seems extremely forced just so Joss can have a same-sex pairing. So, while it's believable for Willow to lose herself in her magick after the loss of a loved one, I didn't feel anything as a viewer, because they're relationship was shallow to me. If it had been Dawn or Xander, it wouldn't have bothered me so much.

Also, the Giles popping in and out. I understand that ASH wanted to spend more time with his family since he missed out on a lot of his daughters' early years and I don't blame him for that. I know they wanted to have him in as much as they could, but I feel it would have been better to write Giles only for the moment that he comes back after Buffy is resurrected, then when he comes all badass to stop Willow. Instead of being there, leaving, coming back, leaving again, and back again.
 
FellDownAlone said:
Instead of being there, leaving, coming back, leaving again, and back again.
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You can't blame them for wanting to ASH to be a part of Once More With Feeling. As a matter of fact, I'm convinced that's the only reason he stayed as long as he did, and then they wrote him out in the next episode.

For me the worst thing about Season 6 can be summed up in just three words: attempted rape scene. Spike was pretty sympathetic up to that point, but maybe it was a failure on the part of the writers to suddenly come up with a really nasty motivation for him to want to go and get a soul.
 
Samuel Reyes said:
You can't blame them for wanting to ASH to be a part of Once More With Feeling. As a matter of fact, I'm convinced that's the only reason he stayed as long as he did, and then they wrote him out in the next episode.

For me the worst thing about Season 6 can be summed up in just three words: attempted rape scene. Spike was pretty sympathetic up to that point, but maybe it was a failure on the part of the writers to suddenly come up with a really nasty motivation for him to want to go and get a soul.
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No, I don't blame them for wanting him in Once More With Feeling since he had been asking for that episode since season one. But they could have left him out until "Flooded" when he returns from England the first time. It could have been mentioned that he left, and then he was informed of Willow and the Scoobies' project.

As for Spike, I wrote in another thread: "I think that's why it was good that Spike went to get his soul back. It showed people that if you need help emotionally/mentally, it's all right to seek it. That it's not going to be easy, and that you really have to stick with it if you want to see the change, maintain the change, and that at times you may want to go back, or the thought of what you did and said, or the fear of going back can be disturbing." Spike's drunken attempt to rape Buffy was something he knew (even though being a demon) was wrong and that he should have never done it. It was a hard scene to watch, and James Marsters said he had to go to therapy afterwards, but I think it brought up a good point in some relationships that sometimes people snap and while they didn't mean to hurt the other person, they can't just will it away or leave things as they. Some people seek professional help after hurting a loved one, because they realize something isn't quite right with them. Spike did that. He essentially went through "rehab". It's a completely different story as opposed to those who feel no remorse or blame their counterpart for their own actions. Spike didn't do that. Buffy deserved an ally and friend, someone who wouldn't raise their hand to her. He realized what he did and sought help. It doesn't change what he did, it raises questions as to whether or not he could be trusted, again, but it tells people that it's better to fix what's been broken and move on, but never forget.

My one thing is, people speak about Spike's attempted rape but never seem to mention when Xander tried in season one. While, yes, he was possessed, the hyena was acting on his inner feelings and urges. Drunk Spike was acting on his inner feelings and urges. The main difference is that in Xander's predicament Buffy was at full strength as opposed to being injured when Spike made his attempt. People reacted differently to it, but it doesn't change what he did. People underestimate how alcohol can lower your inhibitions, the little voice in your head not reaching you because of all the booze. It's no excuse at all. None of it. However, Spike owned up to his mistake, Xander tried to "forget it" away.
 
@FellDownAlone: You make a very good argument, but I still didn't like that they resorted to rape to get the point across. Maybe he could have strangled and almost killed her, or something, Idk.
 
Samuel Reyes said:
@FellDownAlone: You make a very good argument, but I still didn't like that they resorted to rape to get the point across. Maybe he could have strangled and almost killed her, or something, Idk.
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No, I feel that. Joss was asking a lot of everyone-the actors, the viewers-when he decided on that. I was recently at a panel with James Marsters at a con and he explained that Joss asked the writers to think about something they regretted, that kept them up at night. One female writer said that she pushed herself on her boyfriend, thinking that if they had sex he would change his mind on leaving her. However, the situation translates differently when it's a man pushing himself on a woman. Neither are good, but one appears more drastic than the other.
 
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