Top 10 reasons I hate Kennedy

[LadyLavinia]

I don't like her because she kicked Buffy out, and Spike was sad 🙁

DAWN kicked Buffy out of the house, not Kennedy. You want to hate someone for that, hate Dawn.

Buffy didn't deserved to be kicked out of her own home. But Kennedy and the others had every right to reject her authority.

 

[LadyLavinia]

You only want 10 reasons......damn.....
Kennedy was obnoxious, rude, arrogant, pushy, presumptuous, uninteresting, plain, 1 dimensional, boring and uncharismatic thats 10 for you.
Now thats not the actors fault, Iyari Limon did the best with what she was given(PLUS....have you seen her...yummy).
Now as a Tara fan, people may assume i disliked her due to her Willow relationship, and truthfully, yeah, part of me hates that.
Tara, for me, was not just a love of Willow's life, like Oz, she was THE love. To see Willow move on so quickly after her death, just felt wrong. Now i'm not suggesting Willow stay celibate for life, but Kennedy was 'with' Will within 6 months. Now i know that people have different times to mourn the lost love and relationship, BUT for us viewers, the writers didnt give us enough time.
Hecks, in Conversations with Dead People its evident that Willow is in no way ready to move on, but just two episodes time, she has this Kennedy character flirting(again not an issue) but its only a couple of Epis ofter that, inwhich Willow and Kennedy kiss(The Willow Turns to Warren piece of Crap).

Now Kennedy as a character OUTSIDE Willows relationship still annoys the holy heck a doodle doo out of me.
She wasn't particularly liked by anyone, there was no visible screen time where she even attempted to ingratiate herself with the group...just Willows panties...and the second she saw the gang go one way, so did she...Kennedy was a sheep.....
When Buffy left, she thought she would rise in power among the collective. Why?
What possible reason could she believe her opinion mattered in this group. She wasnt even a Slayer. All she was, was the lover of the Slayer she just helped oust's best friend. Faith had every right to cut her down to size.

Dang i hate that Witch*

LadyLavinia while you do raise interesting points, some of which i will go along with, i do have some issue with some, and your subsequient rebuttal.


That was one of the reasons i was hoping to actually Like Kennedy when i knew of her. The idea of Willow experiencing the full range of the Gay world was interesting, i mean Tara, though IMHO transcends sexuality to just being perfect, isn't a true representation of Gay culture, but, and i partially loathe myself for saying it, falls in the Stereotype Lesbian bracket.
I was hoping Kennedy would be something edgy...What a waste of so much potential...hehehe...i made a funny....lol


I dont think so. I believe she was stuck up, from a rich back ground where she believed she had a right to everything she wanted. This isn't will, its the hypocrisy of wealth, as we know she came from a priviledged background. She shows no sign of being strong willed to me, just ready to go with the group.


In a limited way she did show compassionate skills, but i could never ever justify the use of great.


Flawed yes, as is every other character on the programme, but interesting, again nothing showing. She showed all she was interested in was sex and the slaying, nothing more....one of the downsides of so many potentials...no back story really.(writing issue not the character to be honest)


Well again, she rose in the ranks to a level of team leader, but we never really got enough time of her combative side to attrribute kickass to her, i mean, the only one i could claim kick ass would be Amanda, and thats because she showed her potential before any training.

6. The didn't become some bland, near perfect character that many fans had demanded that she should have been./QUOTE]
You are very correct, she became this bland uninteresting character that fans demanded dead in the finale, just so she would be apart of something interesting.


From her many faults, the character did seem to genuinely care for Willow, and had she been developed more, and it been even just 6 months later, i, and many others, would possibly have accepted her.


You are correct, and this was one of the things i was hoping that would be targeted.
But you make a comment later about Willow not being the same because in season 4 she was nervous about telling her friends, nee Family.
There is no point there. Willow did tell them relatively early on in her realisation. Its one of the hardest things in the world to tell someone something like that, no matter how close you are, for fear of rejection. Buffy even initially proved those fears accurate with her immediate reaction to Willow, she was nervous and edgy. From season 5 i would say that Willow was definately in the 'I'm Gay and Proud' catagory.


Don't mean to be rude, but what show were you watching. Her relationship with Willow kinda made her stand out of the group. Not a Scoobie, but above the potentials. She didn't have screen time with people other then Willow really. No one said they disliked her granted, but no one seemed enamoured by her either...obviously except bad timing Willow.


Only because the group had. If she really wasnt a push over then why, when Faith told her to shut it, did she whinge behind closed doors. No she only had the courage of her convictions WHEN she had back up.

Sorry all....i ranted

I get it now. We can tolerate the mistakes and flaws of the other characters, but not Kennedy, because she was the type who knew what she wanted and wasn't shy about it. She wasn't "one of the gang" . . . and that is apparently, very important to you. Apparently, Kennedy wasn't allowed to be flawed. She had to be "near perfect" like Tara. In other words, not very interesting. I understand now. Thank you.

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

But Kennedy and the others had every right to reject her authority.

On what grounds did they have this right.

What right did these people have to question a 8 year Veteran of Slaying, someone who has lost her life, lost love, given up hope of a normal life and a career, what rights do a group of potentials, a Watcher who lets face it was no longer commanding any sort of power(which was a huge factor in his turning on Buffy), a 'Civilian'(who only a few days before had been 100% behind her, but because he was hurt turned), a witch(whose best friend had just been injured and made her question her mortality), a Slayer(who had just spent the best part of 3 years in Prison for Murder), a Principal(Who has issues with the Slayer because she sided with Spike)........
Dawn was the only one that i respect out of that whole senario, because she wasn't doing it for personal reasons, except her feelings for Buffy, she knew that this MUTINY would destroy Buffy, so she being one of the youngest took on the most adult stance and told buffy

Then you can't stay here. Buffy, I love you, but you were right. We have to be together on this. You can't be a part of it. (Buffy blinks her eyes in disbelief) So I need you to leave. I'm sorry, but this is my

She realised that the house was not for Buffy. She didnt do it because she didnt believe in Buffy, she did it because she DID.

I get it now. We can tolerate the mistakes and flaws of the other characters, but not Kennedy, because she was the type who knew what she wanted and wasn't shy about it. She wasn't "one of the gang" . . . and that is apparently, very important to you. Apparently, Kennedy wasn't allowed to be flawed. She had to be "near perfect" like Tara. In other words, not very interesting. I understand now. Thank you.

No obviously you dont get it. I could stomach Kennedy's flaws IF they were interesting and were developed...she was a character that didnt get past the leagues of Rona and the other potentials.....she was devoid of character...dull.
You obviously didnt read my post, because you will see that on occasion i defended her, and even agreed with you on one or two issues....so honestly...your arguments mean nothing because you don't read anyone elses POV...and if thats the case then, you really should start......
My opinion may not sit well with everyone BUT i do read other peoples and concede to that one IF there is a valid point....

 

[Araminta Tyler]

Kennedy was very good at being a Slayer, but not suited for Willow.

 

[drtroy]

Exactly..I understand questioning buffy..but she has been slaying for years now..she has had the experience..what the hell did kennedy know? Personally, I WOULD have trusted buffy a lot more..kennedy didnt trust her from day one!

 

[Mesektet Ra]

Meh, I really didn't like Kennedy either, but I hearted her brashness. She was willing to say thing Faith wasn't even willing to say, and to Buffy's own face! It was friggin' PERFECT. She had an acid tongue on her and that's what I liked about her.

Other than that...screw her. I found her incessant and annoying. Forward and brash as she is, she still needed to get killed off.

 

[LadyLavinia]

Kennedy was very good at being a Slayer, but not suited for Willow.

Says you. I don't care if every other BUFFY fan believed this . . . it's only an opinion. And it's one that I DO NOT share.

On what grounds did they have this right.

The Potentials had the right to reject Buffy on the same grounds that she had the right to reject the Watcher Council's authority. Because they are sentient beings, who should not have been treated as weapons of war.

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

The Potentials had the right to reject Buffy on the same grounds that she had the right to reject the Watcher Council's authority. Because they are sentient beings, who should not have been treated as weapons of war.

The only 'RIGHT' they had, was to leave BUFFY's house and fend for themselves....you wanna play that card fine, but they weren't treated as waepons. Buffy was PROTECTING them. The First was killing them off, eradicating them. They had NO rights to question the help given to them....they didn't like it, they leave....after all they are sentient beings!!.....but if they wanted to stay, they wanted the protection afforded to them, they had to be willing to take measures to protect themselves....

Buffy rejected the Council, BUT she didn't stay in their offices, asking for their help, she was able to fend for herself...the TWO situations are different......you need a better come back then that!

 

[LadyLavinia]

The only 'RIGHT' they had, was to leave BUFFY's house and fend for themselves....you wanna play that card fine, but they weren't treated as waepons. Buffy was PROTECTING them. The First was killing them off, eradicating them. They had NO rights to question the help given to them....they didn't like it, they leave....after all they are sentient beings!!.....but if they wanted to stay, they wanted the protection afforded to them, they had to be willing to take measures to protect themselves....

Buffy rejected the Council, BUT she didn't stay in their offices, asking for their help, she was able to fend for herself...the TWO situations are different......you need a better come back then that!

So, if Buffy was merely protecting them, please explain why the Potentials had been grumbling about her for a few episodes, before they finally rejected her authority in "Empty Spaces"? Why is it that so many fans were calling Buffy - General von Buffy? She was treating them like weapons of war.

And why is it that it's okay for Buffy to reject the WC, but it's not okay for the Potentials to do the same to Buffy, when she's treating them in a similar manner? Sounds like a lot of fans are indulging in double standards. What's okay for the main character, is not okay for a minor character. And I don't recall Buffy ASKING the Potentials to help her in the fight against the First Evil. She merely TOLD THEM that they would be become part of an army.

......you need a better come back then that!

Excuse me?

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

So, if Buffy was merely protecting them, please explain why they had been grumbling about her for a few episodes, before they finally rejected her authority in "Empty Spaces"?

You explain what her other role for them was. Was she there land-lady, did she accept rent from them?
Was she the local Bar, aloowing them to frequent her place as freely as a local tavern?
NO, They arrived on HER doorstep, because some 'Big Bad' was killing them off, they had no way of defending themselves, so they sought her protection....They grumbled because a) they had to share that protection with others b) because she made them prepare for themselves to survive....Case in point....Kennedy, when given the task of training the Potentials, is loving the small amount of power given to her, BUT when its taken away from her, when she is treated the same way as everybody in that house....she gets annoyed, when Buffy makes them ALL realise they are only there for HER protection.

Why is it that it's okay for Buffy to reject the WC, but it's not okay for the Potentials to do the same to Buffy, when she's treating them in a similar manner? Sounds like a lot of fans indulging in double standards. What's okay for the main character, is not okay for a minor character. And I don't recall Buffy ASKING the Potentials to help her in the fight against the First Evil. She merely TOLD THEM that they would be become part of an army.

Its ok for Buffy for one MAJOR reason. After she rejects the council, she doesnt keep asking for their help.....she is self sufficient, she carries on.
The potentials DIDNT want Buffy, BUT they didn't want to leave the sanctuary of her home and her protection.
There are no double standards in this whatsoever.....infact all i see is someone who has not watched the show properly and made up there own wild conclusions from little bits.....
NO Buffy didnt ask them, she informed them that IF they wanted HER protection, they had to train, to be part of that army. She never once forced any of the potentials to stay in the house, HER house......

 

[LadyLavinia]

I'm not going to argue. I've read some of your posts on other topics and I noticed that whenever someone continues to disagree with you, you tend to shout them down.

Yes, I do post messages that disagree with others. I can even get a little caustic, at times. But you really have some serious anger management issues.

NO Buffy didnt ask them, she informed them that IF they wanted HER protection, they had to train, to be part of that army. She never once forced any of the potentials to stay in the house, HER house. . .

And yet, Rona had pointed out in "Dirty Girls" that she had arrived in Sunnydale to simply seek sanctuary and protection from the Bringers. She also stated that she had not expected to be recruited into some kind of supernatural army. (I suppose you'll take this opportunity to bash Rona, as well).

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

I dont have anger management issues, i hjave foolish issues, in that when people make completely foolish comments that make NO sense i point out WHERE they are wrong......

And yet, Rona had pointed out in "Dirty Girls" that she had arrived in Sunnydale to simply seek sanctuary and protection from the Bringers. She also stated that she had not expected to be recruited into some kind of supernatural army. (I suppose you'll take this opportunity to bash Rona, as well).

Who's point are you proving here, you make no sense. She wanted the protection, but was unwilling to learn to protect herself.....
She could have left the house whenever5 she wanted, she didnt HAVE to stay in the house, learning to fight, to protect herself....she couls have gone, tried to defend herself, see how far that got her...why didnt she?
Oh yeah because she was SCARED, she wanted the protection BUT wasn't willing to pay the price...BUT as soon as she was 'activated' along with Kennedy and the rest, it was ok....they wanted the quick fix, the Slayer OR the power, they didnt wanna put in the time or effort.....so yes i'll bash Rona aswell, she was no better then any of them.

 

[Kryptonite]

The Potentials had the right to reject Buffy on the same grounds that she had the right to reject the Watcher Council's authority. Because they are sentient beings, who should not have been treated as weapons of war.

i havent read through the entire conversation because i have the attention span of a 3 year old......i love this song........what was i saying? oh!.........so if i miss something...you'll have to forgive me

but i wanted to make a comment

comparing buffy's reaction to the council and the potential's reaction to buffy is an unfair comparison. the council was in no way connected emotionally or personally to the slayers. they were merely thought of as a weapon. buffy had the potentials (and the worlds) best interest in mind. she had proved that many times

 

[Mesektet Ra]

One thing I'd like to comment on is the fact that someone people didn't like Kennedy because of her brazenness. It's like the poor thing isn't allowed to have an opinion, just follow Buffy's orders. I would've done the same thing if I were in Kennedy's position. Except I probably would've been little more vulgar about the whole thing by telling Buffy to go f-ck herself, but there's only so much you can do with network television.

Oh, and Dia, Buffy isn't a goddess. I think it's time to come to grips with the fact that Buffy treated the potientals like sh-t in S7. She treated them like tools - somebody in some other thread said something to the effect that they were sick of 'poor Faith' agruments - well, I'm sick of 'Buffy is omiscent' agruments. Buffy was wrong in treating the Potientals the way she did. It's that simple.

Sorry to ramble, but I felt that needed to be said. Thank you, and goodnight.

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Oh, and Dia, Buffy isn't a goddess. I think it's time to come to grips with the fact that Buffy treated the potientals like sh-t in S7. She treated them like tools - somebody in some other thread said something to the effect that they were sick of 'poor Faith' agruments - well, I'm sick of 'Buffy is omiscent' agruments. Buffy was wrong in treating the Potientals the way she did. It's that simple.

Sorry to ramble, but I felt that needed to be said. Thank you, and goodnight.

I dont claim she IS perfect, BUT her treatment of the potentials is perfectly within reason.
They need a safe haven, she provides it.
They need protection from THE Big Bad, She provides it.

What she asks for in return, is that they train and learn to defend themselves....
They dont want that, they want Buffy to do all the work...
Its bull crap that she treated the wrong....when.
The Vineyard.....pardon my ignorance but wasnt she right....Didn't the Vineyard hold the key to the saving of all there petty lives....
When Buffy offered them Slayer Power, did they turn away and say, 'you know, i'd like to sit this one out'. No, they accepted because they wanted the power.
Of all the times over the many years Buffy made wrong decisions and error of judgement, her treatment of the potentials was perfect, it wa sthere lack of gratitude that was the issue.....

 

[Tucker's Cousin]

Buffy understood that the best way the Potentials could defend themselves was by sticking together and learning to fight as an army. What amazes me is that some of the Potentials, and apparently some of the viewers, couldn't see that.

The more that come, learn how to fight, learn to take orders and behave like soldiers, the better the chance they all have of surviving. It's really very simple. Imagine the moral, discipline, etc. if some were allowed to just hang around the house and let others learn to fight and be a part of the fight. Firstly, you have less soldiers in your army. Secondly, the soldiers you do have are wondering why they're bothering with all this hard work and having to take orders.

Kennedy was a ringleader in upsetting what Buffy was trying to achieve with them and all you people who think Buffy was wrong in her approach have made me think more about the situation. I'd been mellowing towards Kennedy but now I'm back to hating her again!

 

[THE BLUE]

Kennedy was a ringleader in upsetting what Buffy was trying to achieve with them and all you people who think Buffy was wrong in her approach have made me think more about the situation.

Yes, that's unfair. But when it comes to anything with Buffy, major audience always blames her. I mean they do so with Spike, with potentials, with Riley leaving... I sometimes wonder if they should have watched another programme instead.

 

[Wicca-Who-Wont-a]

Kennedy was just a spoiled brat- and those are her own words- who thought she knew everything about everything, even thought she knew better than buffy, ok fair enough she wanted to be in control of her own life and death, but she was calling the other girls maggots, she just thought she was it. and in know way did i think she was willows type, she was the complete opposite of tara(who was luvly)

 

[Bubbles]

hated kennedy...she was kinda pointless...(except for the funny times of "my girlfriends gotta peirced tonuge" from Willow) she was just annoying...not as annoying as Rona but still!

 

[master kenobi]

I cant stand kennady....far too soon after tara???? come on she nearly destroyed the world....then the next minute oh theres kennady hitting on her???? i personaly thought she was to forward for willow.....like in willow and taras realationship they were equal...but i think kennady was trying to be the trousers in the realationship when we all know willow can hold her own....

and tara is far hotter than kennady....come on....under your spell???.....