Hi Adder, to make things less confusing I won't quot your quotes of my quotes...here goes...
Well you'll have to forgive me, I think it is easier to comment on each part by breaking it up while making the comment understandable for others too.
I like the point you made about the longevity of the series working against it, that makes sense to me. I also see your point with Xfiles...there may have been just too much to work into a movie.
Sometimes the formula does work, though. Take for instance Sex in the City. Similar series length when compared to Buffy. No big time blockbuster actresses, the overall dynamic being a show based on friendships (lets face facts, it was approaching Spinster in the city territory...that other Sarah is not getting any younger. ) All in all, a decent comparison I think, more so than Xfiles. I'm curious, did SitC tank? I thought it was doing OK. I dunno though.
I don't think you can say 'more so than the X-Files'.
I would also argue that the fan base to Sex and the City was larger and demanded more from it, as did ALL those involved - Sarah JP lobbied for ages to have a movie done, the creators lobbied for ages, heck even Kim lobbied until the spat with Sarah and then got back on board.
Buffy has had a series, a series spin off (which has to be brought into account because some of those characters may be required in the movie and if that is the case, the development on Angel must take some explaining, thus we go from a 7 season show to a 12 season which blows SitC out the water) and a movie already done before any new movie can be done.
X-Files had a series, a series spin off (which granted crashed and burned but was still done though adding it to X-Files seasons just for fun takes it to 11 seasons) and a movie already done before the last movie was made.
Lets explore the supernatural theme, the genre if you will. Where would X-Files most likely sit?
Sci-Fi? Horror? Drama? Comedy? Action? Romance?
Now the same for Buffy and SitC.
The similarities there are closer to Buffy/X-Files than Buffy/SitC.
The X-Files was about a man searching for the Truth, granted, but to do this he developed interpersonal relationships with people, making himself a tight inner circle he could call up on in his hor of need. Friendship, betrayal, love, loss yadda yadda. The three shows can be argued to have all these in fact any decent show deals with this to certain lengths BUT emphasis on different parts depends on what genre, so I agree that your point is there but I disagree that you take that from X-Files to suggest its closer for Buffy and SitC.
On the basis of what I have said, I would say Buffy is closer to X-Files than SitC and I think a studio would see it that way.
If we were discussing Friends: The Movie it would be different.
I can only speak for myself here, but I never felt the connection to Scully and Moulder that I do for the scoobies. The xfiles overall theme was that the truth was out there. It did not seem to me to be very character driven short of that quest; I think that quest just got dull, especially after the first movie.
It was ALL about character. It was about a man trying to understand who he was, what happened in his past and how this affected the lives of those he cared for. I would argue I am a bigger fan of X-Files than I am of Buffy so your entire comment seems ridiculous to me. But thats in the same was a Charmed fan would argue it was better than Buffy and you(assuming you prefer Buffy) thinking they are wrong - but then thats opinion, and has nothing to do with the over all point of this part of the discussion.
As far as beating me with large sticks, I'm still not sure what we are arguing about or what I'm misunderstanding.
Perhaps I'll try to figure it out to find the right context; but first off lets just say the reason why I don't believe movie studios have to go for high star profiles is because George Lucas intentionally cast the first Star Wars movies primarily with unknown actors and a ridiculous number of movies are made with unknowns in them every year. They are the street cred that make up and coming great talent become a listers. We both realize this.
OK. You made a flippant remark about Dukes getting a movie.
I gave you a list of reasons why that happened.
Then you came back as though I suggested Buffy needed big names attached to get a deal.
That is far from the case and now Dukes of Hazzard seems to be a standard and then you went down a big name bent.
I have merely pointed out that Dukes the movie had the big names which helped. I then explained to you that Star Wars had some very well placed stars in the most recent three films.
Now again where you argument fails here is that the cast of Buffy is already established as a group and in their own right.
We're not talking about actors just starting out or who haven't got a name, we have actors already known, so I don't get why you are arguing the unknown bent when I haven't made this about attached names, YOU have.
In Buffys case they don't have to expect a huge saleried actor to make a big draw, they allready have an established product that is outdrawing Spiderman among the comic buying crowd who will likely see the movie and buy the DVD. 😛 So I still question how what you said is proving anything or how I'm even misuderstanding it. Please don't get out the stick yet!
Among the comic crowd eh?
Is that who the target audience is?
Here is the problem. When The superhero movies have been made they could do Origin stories. They can draw in anyone off the street who doesn't need to know jot about whats going on. Fans of the comic don't mind because its been that long since a TV or Movie has been made that its fine to revamp.
Buffy however, well you can't do an Origin because the actors are too old now BUT you can't just continue because all you get is the comic book and fan crowd and a studio wants more than that.
If you go with Origin you will alienate the fan base which I don't think Joss would do, or you go with continuation which will alienate the rest of the audience which I don't think the studio will do.
In 10 years time, a reboot could be done but Buffy: The Movie now is a lose lose situation.
I do wonder though, if Sarah would not command an A list salary. That could be a potential hang up.
Are you suggesting instead that since SMG knows her role is the foundation of the show and therefore the movie, she will hold out for much money? Or do you think the production company would be nervous over her apparent apprehension of revising her old role?
Again - Stick meet Relic, you're about to get quite close!!!
I have suggested nothing and definitely don't think that.
As far as dressing things up as fact, my apologies. I remember hearing Joss say that he would not consider doing a movie without Sarah involved. She has denied time and again any interest or want to revisit that role. That leads me to believe that that is a definite reason while your theories over production companies not being interested is an absolute unknown based more off of your opinion.
For the record I never said that this movie is a sure thing or will happen; I just don't believe that studio reluctance is behind the red tape as you do, and that it not happening is not a sure enough thing in my mind to make wagers over.
Well you will have to link me to something definitive not just hearsay and conjecture as I have seen nothing that 100% counts out or in.
I however have never said everything I have said is fact nor dressed it up as such, I have given very plausible reasons why it would/could go the way I believe.
No, you haven't it is a sure thing BUT you have provided arguments as to why is could that have been flawed and I have clearly given you response to the flaws.
I have ALSO read numerous links since Buffy ending and then Angel about the next Buffy related spin-off or movie and they have not happened YET your arguments have been made again and again by other people while mine have pretty much remained the same and my belief nothing will be made with the actual cast has been 100% accurate so far.
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my god you people post long posts I'm just going to say : I hope it works out. see, short, to the point.....
Ohh and hi there little miss sunshine
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Discussion board for discussing. How long do you think a place like this would stay open if ALL posts were simply short, to the point?
How many people would stay for that?
