Question UK Referendum to Stay or Leave the EU

[Mr Trick]

You're right that they are advisory but there's no way this can just be ignored. Parliament will now have to trigger Article 50 with the EU and then the planning for leaving will begin.

Of course the problem with Vote Leave has always been that there's no plan or guarantee's in place. When negotiating the exit our government might strike up a new trade deal and keep free movement of people which has angered so many. Any money that we're supposedly saving from going it alone hasn't been marked for anything so if there is any it's entirely possible it'll end up with the usual suspects of Banks and Conservative backers.


They were told that voting for independence would put their EU status in jeopardy. Now that ship has sailed they have every right to ask the question again.

But you know that politicians are always scaremongering, doesn't mean people have to fall for it. I don't fall for it I cast my vote on based my reasons. Which is just as well in this case considering neither side of this vote gave us much informantion to go on. The main reason Scotland now want another vote on the UK is because they have a different leader who is Pro-leaving the UK and because the EU vote didn't go their way. I guess they have the right to ask for another vote, but I don't think they should get it.

 

[Bluebird]

The Bronze: Yes very different politically. If I could get a house, a job and understand the crazy accent I'd probably move there.

I can defend the politics but not the accents. 😉

 

[HowiMetdaSlayer]

As someone with Irish/Scots ancestry, I'd like to see an independent Scotland & an united Ireland. However, I know that there a issues involved that are far more complicated than that.

 

[The Bronze]

But you know that politicians are always scaremongering, doesn't mean people have to fall for it.

Scaremongering and out right lying. Yes it's very common among politicians but I don't think that means it should be accepted. We need a lot more accountability. If a party comes into power on the strength of their manifesto and then disregards it we should be able to have another vote. It's the same for Scotland. If a key selling point of saying no to independence was the EU membership then they should be allowed to reconsider once the goal posts are moved.

 

[vellavu]

EU itself seems likely to be losing a lot of member countries in the next few years anyway.

 

[Bluebird]

Scottish people pushing for another vote on their part of the UK after only TWO YEARS! need to accept the way things are. You can still discuss it on here, but outside of this thryead I think you should just accept the way things are.

Even if it bothers you, people are allowed their own political beliefs. Don't tell anyone what they need to do, and that they should just accept a decision. It's really not your place to dictate what happens in another country. These 'Scottish people' you speak of make up almost half the country, so that's quite a rude thing to say about them. I sure don't feel 'United' when I hear that kind of tone.

 

[Ethan Reigns]

Congratulations UK! I thought you might chicken out at the last minute. There are already plans afoot in the EU to punish the UK with a very one-sided trade agreement except... they can't. The UK is the biggest customer for goods and services from the other EU countries so if the EU gets too Draconian, the UK will simply take its business elsewhere. What to look for now is the centrifugal force that will send the EU flying apart. One brick of the edifice has come down and the rest will fall - the only question is who exits next and when.

 

[Washburne]

What's bugged me the most is the ones popping up in media saying they voted out but didn't think their vote mattered and now they regret how they voted. Please let it be just the few we've seen that got that kind of reasoning going on.

The EU is very far from perfect but I'm not convinced voting out was the best but I hope things go well for you and that people can be civil with all the emotions running high.

I've got a lot of angry Brits on my newsfeed this morning...

Come to think of it I don't think I've seen a single tweet from someone being happy with the result. Unhappy people make their voices heard on the other hand.

 

[Faith]

As someone with Irish/Scots ancestry, I'd like to see an independent Scotland & an united Ireland. However, I know that there a issues involved that are far more complicated than that.

I seriously doubt Northern Ireland will go back with ROI. My flatmate and I were having this discussion, she grew up in NI during the troubles and flat out said it would never happen. There is too much history and bad blood. There may be a union between NI and Scotland.

I voted Yes for an independent Scotland the first time round. I voted No to leave the EU. A lot of No (Indy ref) voters that I know have now backtracked. There was mention in the SNP Manifesto that there would only be a second Indy ref if there was a major change in circumstances, I think this is major and the fact that Scotland voted No to leaving the EU will change peoples minds.

So Scotland may end up in the EU after all, if indeed there is an EU to stay in.

I'm not going to lie my favourite part this morning was when Larry the cat came out. I love Larry and he gave some right shade to the cameras.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

I thought this quote from an online article summed up a lot:

It's not often that one decision can cripple your own economy, damage global investor confidence, imperil one of the most successful alliances in modern history, foster the rise of ultra-nationalists, precipitate the possible breakup of your own country, deeply divide your own party and cause a great schism between voters of every ideological stripe, but this is one of them.

Come November they can reuse the same quote for the US!

 

[Buffy Summers]

Any further incivility in this thread will be met with threadbans. Staff has asked twice.

 

[ILLYRIAN]

I don't see the problem, I really don't. GB got on fairly well before it joined the European Union, my biggest memory of that time (43 years ago) was that sugar had to be bought from within the EU so the nation that supplied sugar to GB lost its employment.
But the vote has been made and the money men went into a panic, whatever happened they would panic. That is the one thing you can take as a certainty the money men will always panic.
So the UK is going the leave and it can be a two years process, that could work in England's favour. When GB originally joined it was perceived that GB would take control of the EU. Now that the GB has left other countries might leave the EU and join the GB.

Could it all have been avoided? Maybe if Greece had repaid the billions it promised to repay. So the European countries were financially more secure for the massive influx of refugees.

 

[Mr Trick]

What's bugged me the most is the ones popping up in media saying they voted out but didn't think their vote mattered and now they regret how they voted. Please let it be just the few we've seen that got that kind of reasoning going on.

The EU is very far from perfect but I'm not convinced voting out was the best but I hope things go well for you and that people can be civil with all the emotions running high.


Come to think of it I don't think I've seen a single tweet from someone being happy with the result. Unhappy people make their voices heard on the other hand.

This has been my issue in the fall out of this. Yes, I voted to leave but I said from day one than it was not an easy choice and not a decision I was making lightly. No matter the outcome I feel people should be respectful of how the vote turned out and to respect the other side and engage in civil discussion and sadly in many cases that hasn't happened.

 

[Priceless]

This has been my issue in the fall out of this. Yes, I voted to leave but I said from day one than it was not an easy choice and not a decision I was making lightly. No matter the outcome I feel people should be respectful of how the vote turned out and to respect the other side and engage in civil discussion and sadly in many cases that hasn't happened.

My twitter feed is full of despairing people who now think we have voted for the apocalypse! They've lost all sense of perspective and proportion. Life goes on, we will all survive. And you can still go to Spain on holiday 🙂

 

[Athena]

I'm purposely staying out of it on social media. Mainly because I don't want to be drawn into an us vs them discussion. A lot of people on my newsfeed are very upset, but I have to say I don't agree with the very colourful language some remain voters are using to describe leave voters.

I disagree with the leave vote, but you can't call someone a hateful name because they exercised their right to vote. I'm worried about the future, I'm worried about the world we've created, not for us, but for our children and our grandchildren. I felt like the EU provided some sort of stability and security. We will all survive and life will go on, but what sort of life will that be? No-one knows. That's the problem.

But I'd be lying if New Zealand didn't look like a tempting offer right now....

 

[RomanticSoul]

Good for the UK. Fear for the economy though. Sometimes I don't think people realize how much the EU actually does help. But they do make a convenient scapegoat when things go wrong. When they do something right no one knows because the countries governments take ownership of the good deed.

We will gladly take all the EU scientists currently working in the UK that will be out of jobs because most of the field of Science and Research runs on partial EU funding (and as EU citizens UK will be too expensive once out of the EU) . Or Canada will. And probably no Horizon 2020 funding either. Guess that also means the EU won't be able to help anymore with building affordable housing in Northern Ireland for example. Not to worry though as long as Russia, China and the Middle East keep buying up housing in London as investments or for money laundering so there will still be income from that I guess.

And if it stops or at least stalls the TTIP negotiations all the better.

 

[Sternbeeere]

Fear for the economy though.

Same here, but not only for UK but also for the EU. But we have to wait and see

And if it stops or at least stalls the TTIP negotiations all the better.

That is what I hope too, also that politicians will re-think the EU structures to make the more open for participation.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Same here, but not only for UK but also for the EU. But we have to wait and see

And the US. We've already taken a big hit.

 

[RomanticSoul]

Same here, but not only for UK but also for the EU. But we have to wait and see

I don't think there will be much issue with trade agreements really. At least not with the UK and the EU countries. UK exports the most to Germany and Germany a lot to them. No one wants to see that change. But the UK will need to make new trade agreements with other countries that were previously covered by EU trade agreements. And those can take years.

That is what I hope too, also that politicians will re-think the EU structures to make the more open for participation.

They better because as it is the EU won't be able to exist much longer. However one might feel about them they have also done a lot of good and I hate them being used as scapegoats. But things need to change.

And the US. We've already taken a big hit.

It won't last that long. Next few days it will return to normal. Financial Market doesn't like uncertainty. So they panic. The only problem is if there is no direct course set by all parties involved it will seriously be stressful for the world wide market.

 

[Taake]

The EU is very far from perfect but I'm not convinced voting out was the best but I hope things go well for you and that people can be civil with all the emotions running high.
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This has been my issue in the fall out of this. Yes, I voted to leave but I said from day one than it was not an easy choice and not a decision I was making lightly. No matter the outcome I feel people should be respectful of how the vote turned out and to respect the other side and engage in civil discussion and sadly in many cases that hasn't happened.

Come now, it's the first couple of days. Of course emotions are running high. No matter who "won" this, this was always going to happen. It will settle down eventually, but you can't expect people not to be upset.