Unofficial Buffy-Boards Buffy the Vampire Slayer Rewatch

Agh! Been quite busy, and not a break in sight until Friday, so my comments on episodes will be a little late. In the meantime, it's now time to watch I Robot, You Jane. Have fun with that - I know how much most people like that episode.
 
Agh! Been quite busy, and not a break in sight until Friday, so my comments on episodes will be a little late. In the meantime, it's now time to watch I Robot, You Jane. Have fun with that - I know how much most people like that episode.

I actually enjoy the episode 😛 It's corny in a 90s sort of way
 
Thoughts on "I Robot, You Jane"

This was one of the episodes I wasn't overly enthused about re-watching, but it's actually pretty fun. Sure, it's silly and basically has "90's" stamped across the title, but I kind of like it. The message of "don't trust the internet!" is, like more than one or two of Joss' metaphors, a little on the nose, but it's kind of funny and accurate at the same time.

It was funny seeing a young Ryan Gosling in this one, which I'd forgotten about. You can see already that he's a vastly superior actor to virtually every single one of the guest stars they've brought in so far. And man, Fritz is terrible. "If you're not jacked in, you're not alive!". Wow.

As it has the whole season, I felt the Xander arc was done well, and this might be the best season for his relationship with Buffy and Willow. The only time the episode really jumps the shark for me is towards the end when Mollock assumes...uh...robot form. I'm not really sure why, when you consider the scope of the series and the number of wacky things Buffy deals with it probably isn't that crazy, but it does seem pretty silly.
 
It was funny seeing a young Ryan Gosling in this one, which I'd forgotten about.
Ryan Gosling was never in any Buffy episodes.

The only time the episode really jumps the shark for me is towards the end when Mollock assumes...uh...robot form.
I agree. I would have preferred if Moloch was still in his original form. I thought he was scarier that way.
 
Thoughts on "The Puppet Show":

The opening sequence to this episode might be one of the funniest ever. And Sunnydale High might have the absolute worst collection of "talent" ever. Giles had me cracking up just with his expressions watching the show, and Cordy's rendition of whatever the hell she was singing was hilarious.

And of course, Snyder! Yes! My single favorite minor character in T.V. history! Seriously, right from the time he shows up to the day he dies, every moment is gold. I mean, just from this episode alone:

"My predecessor, Mr. Flutie, may have gone in for that touchy- feely relating nonsense, but he was eaten. You're in my world now. And Sunnydale has touched and felt for the last time."

"That's the kind of wooly: headed liberal thinking that leads to being eaten."

"I don't get it. What is it, avant-garde?"

The actual episode plot was fairly standard, but fun. The reversal with Sid I wasn't expecting the first time I watched it, and while he's totally silly, I liked him. The ending was the best part though, with the talent show in the credits. Xander was priceless.
 
The Puppet Show has always been one of my favorites from season one. There was nothing special about the demon in this one, but I think that's okay since the focus was on Sid and how he wanted to be freed from the curse. The whole talent show aspect of the episode was just hilarious. I love the very end with Xander, Willow, and Buffy on stage. The actors did a terrific job at acting horribly
 
I don't understand the hate for "The Puppet Show". I think its a really solid episode, and it has that kinda of corny B/Indie movie feel. Giles and Synder have some really funny lines in it, and Cordelia's crappy singing makes me laugh everytime 😛

Sid as a character was an interesting concept. I'm glad he made a return in the "Chaos Bleeds" game, it was good to see him again
 
Out of the 144 episodes of Buffy, only two are detective stories: The Puppet Show and Earshot, and both episodes are excellent. In both stories, we do not know whodunit and the writing and pacing are excellent. They are the best filler episodes in the series.
 
Giles: "Lets all gather for the power thingy......good luck."

Principal Snyder: "I don't get it. What is it, avante garde?"

Principal Snyder: "There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also smoking."

SUCH a good ep!!!!!!!
 
Out of the 144 episodes of Buffy, only two are detective stories: The Puppet Show and Earshot, and both episodes are excellent. In both stories, we do not know whodunit and the writing and pacing are excellent. They are the best filler episodes in the series.

Remind me to come back to this when we get to Earshot. Or maybe I will without reminding.

I'm really glad to see that this had kept going without me posting here - hopefully I can catch up with this in the next couple days and be a capable leader/organizer of this thing. Lot of stuff to respond to.
 
hopefully I can catch up with this in the next couple days and be a capable leader/organizer of this thing. Lot of stuff to respond to.
I'm kind of the opposite. I'm quite enjoying participating in the episode discussions here, but I'm way ahead. haha. I was about two episodes ahead when you started this re-watch and now I'm at the beginning of season 3. I watch an average of 3 episodes per night. 😛 I feel I have a well enough memory of the episodes to come back and discuss whichever one you're on. 🙂
 
Well, it's time for people to move on to watching Nightmares. I just got my computer problems fixed (the hard drive was literally loose. I have no idea what to say to that), so I finally have consistent computer access, school workload has lightened up a bit, and I should be catching up to this soon.

I know, I know, bad leader/coordinator of this rewatch -- I try to be my best.
 
Thoughts on "Nightmares":

I think this is a good example of an episode that would have benifited from a larger budget (which, now that I think about it, is a statement you can probably make for about 99 percent of Hollywood), but I enjoyed it all the same. I really like the concept of it, nightmares coming to life, and it was an interesting look into the different characters and what makes them tick. One small criticism would be I wished they'd gone a bit deeper with the idea. The fears of Willow, Xander and Cordelia were funny, but didn't shed a whole lot of light on what's going on inside with them. I would have liked some of the nightmares to be bigger in scale, but that comes back to budgetary constraints. In a way it's a shame this episode wasn't done a few seasons later. It'd be interesting to see how Angel, Faith and Oz would have reacted.

I liked the subplot with Hank Summers, Buffy's father, even if he wasn't in it all that much. The scene where he tells Buffy what a mess she fears she is was pretty heavy.

The highlight of this episode for me was the clown appearing to torment Xander. It chases him around for a little while until he realizes how stupid the whole thing is and knocks him out with one punch. I thought that was perfect.

On the whole, not one of the best or anything, but I quite liked this episode.
 
Nightmares is one of my favorite episodes from season one. I remember when I first saw it and I loved that we got to see Buffy as a vampire. I know she was basically still her same self, but I remember wondering what SMG would look like with vamp face on and I got my wish. 😛 I didn't really like Willow's nightmare scene. I thought they could have done something different with her. The clown's laugh is hysterical, though I didn't find it that scary. Then again, I was never really scared of clowns.
 
Okay, way behind on this one, so here we go...

Angel:

I consider this to be the first good episode of the series -- the first one that gives you the idea of how good it will get.

A fumigation party. Do things like this actually exist? That's an interesting idea... Of course, I just like killing bugs because I hate them.

"Was that a sentence?" -- I talk exactly like a Joss Whedon character, and have since before I watched his stuff. It's been made even worse since.

Angel or Xander: which is the worse dancer? I'll need to go back and rewatch that episode of Angel to be able to tell.

And really cheap time to cut to the credits, really. This version of the theme song still really bugs me.

Just a thought: Sarah is 20 here, playing a 16-year old and looks passably that age. David is 28, and looks like he could be 35. Just something that's always struck me about this episode since I first saw it.

David's acting is still wooden, but it's starting to get better.

"Their deaths will bring me little joy." [pause] "Of course, sometimes a little is enough."

David and Sarah really start to show their chemistry together when she comes back home and he's still there in her room -- why does she not question why he's still there? That's kind of something that I'd think you'd wonder.

Something I noticed but didn't remember: the chemistry between David and Julie. Wow, those two are good together. In fact, that scene is probably where his acting is best. At least, up until that point.

When the fight starts in the Bronze, I'm starting to hear traces of Angelus. I like hearing that -- when he does that, his acting is at its peak. He has a good amount of range, but he really shines when playing a villain who's a complete asshole.

And they killed Darla too early in the series -- they realized that there was so much potential in her character that they had to bring her back later, not really explaining how or why.

Also, Julie can't talk well through the teeth. Hence the reason Juliet Landau, when cast later on, would just go about her daily life with the teeth so she could get used to talking with them in. Or why they would use ADR.

Angel killed Darla. That is going to come back later as a point of conversation.

And The Master has more emotions than it seems Angelus really did -- that is... rather interesting.

Also, too much processing on the Anointed One's voice.



I Robot, You Jane:

Okay, I don't really dislike this episode, really -- but there's an odd significance to this episode -- after I first watched Firefly, I tried watching Buffy, but this was as far as I got. It was actually mostly because of the length of the series, and the fact that Hulu only had season 1 at the time. So, yeah, it seemed a little too ambitious to try and get through the entire series at the time. I'm not sure why I stopped watching at this episode, since I actually enjoyed it.

The neck snap is a little underwhelming when compared to other ones throughout the series. Remembering a specific one involving Angelus and someone in this episode...

Demon makeup for Moloch is actually pretty good, and for some reason reminds me of the Fyarl demon in A New Man. I might just be insane, though -- it's been known to happen, an when I think that someone looks like someone else, or something looks like something else, I'm usually the only one who seems to think so.

Wow, guest actors in this season are pretty much universally awful -- by that, I do mean one-time appearances, not Jenny, who shows up here and stays for quite a while.

Okay, I know why I liked this episode now: Jenny and Giles. I love their banter. I don't think any of this was written by Joss, but it actually feels like it.

I also like the central idea behind this: scanning a book is like a computer reading it, which leads to an interesting sci-fi idea and shows that this show won't ignore sci-fi or technology -- of course, it uses it quite oddly at times.

Also, sitting through the credits that I don't normally like (well, the song)... Willow looks better with long hair. Then again, I think almost all girls look better with long hair.

Random thought, but the subtitles in the scene between Buffy and Willow are almost covering their faces, due to the credits on the bottom. Kind of distracting, but that's because I'm the guy who watches things with the subtitles on.

This episode is incredibly dated, especially when I'm looking at the laptop that I'm typing these notes on and the tablet I was starting to watch the episode on (decided the DVDs were a better idea, consistently better quality than streaming)

"On line for what?" -- Joss is from NYC, so that might be a dialect thing. So is SMG. Not sure about the actual writers of the episode.

The infamous error with the birthdates. Buffy's canonical birthdate is January 19, 1981, which I think everyone here knows by now. Seeing as my birthday is January 18, this stuck out to me particularly.

I wonder what a "scary amount of computer time" was back then, and how it would compare to how much time I spend.

Wow, chat rooms. AOL. I remember this stuff. I was really young when that stuff happened, but I remember seeing it happen. I've got stories.

This does get kind of heavy-handed -- I'd heard people talking about it in the podcasts, but I didn't actually remember that -- on another note, I need to catch up and stop listening ahead in the podcasts, since they might kind of color my perception of the episode. Not that I haven't seen them already, but it's... a thing.

"Wow, I had knowledge." -- I should use that line, it was actually pretty awesome.

Wow, Buffy in those glasses and coat gave me a sudden Cruel Intentions vibe. That movie was prety awesome. And I'm going off-topic, but that's kind of the way that my mind works when I'm working on these things. This is basically my stream of consciousness expressed via keyboard while watching the episode.

And of course Xander's uncle was a janitor.

"Off the charts smart"? Sound familiar to any Dollhouse fans?

You know, I'm not sure that anyone has ever figured out how to get communication through typing or other text-based things work well in TV/movies. It's always really awkwardly done. Best I remember ever seeing was in a couple episodes of Weeds, but that's another topic for another time.

Even by their early standards, the electrical "accident" looks cheap.

Also, all the computer jokes I can make have been overdone, so I'm going to not make them.

I noticed you can see Buffy's black bra under the shirt she's wearing most of the episode and now I can't see anything else while she's on screen.

"Dave. He's dead." Is that meant to sound like a 2001 reference? I really need to watch that movie...

Wow, listening to it now, it's obvious that it's Joss Whedon's voice over the radio. He does have a somewhat distinctive voice, so yeah... I'm off on a tangent, yet again.

The idea of crossing science fiction and magic is something that I really like. Kind of too bad that that didn't really work out in Season 4, then, as that idea could've been really good.

And as it gets closer and closer to the end, I get less and less interested in the episode. Kind of unfortunate.

As I said before, electricity effects seem to always look kind of terrible.

The conversation about books and computers is actually really interesting, and makes Giles and Jenny fleshed out characters in that regard. It's something that they managed to do that with just a conversation, really.

And this final scene between Buffy, Willow, and Xander. This kind of thing, I call a Shawarma Ending, and it's everywhere in this series.

Overall, episode is kind of "meh", but not really that terrible, I don't think. Then again, I'm weird.

The Puppet Show:

I was never part of any talent show, or at any of them, but I have to imagine that everyone was this terrible. Cordelia also never gets to sing better in Angel, that I can recall. I remember that being just as terrible.

Snyder. He's a fun character. His dialogue at the beginning here feels a little off, but for the life of me I can't figure out why.

Also, the tuba music is suspiciously appropriate for what's happening in the scene.

I'm at the point by now where I fast-forward through the credits because... just because. I didn't want to sit through the credits.

Seeing as I know how this episode goes, there's really nothing to watch it for. I know the twist, which they put far too much effort into not really setting up, and so there's not really anything to really watch for.

Bringing him to justice? That becomes a rather large thing later on in the series. Of course, everyone who knows me can guess where that has already made my mind go.

Buffy's dress is pretty much the same length as her jacket. My attention is back on the episode.

With the scene of Buffy in her bedroom, I'm noticing how much weight Sarah lost over the course of the series. She's tiny to begin with, so I have no idea how she had enough weight to actually lose any.

On a random note from later on, the shot of the chandelier falling just looked terrible.

There's so little I'm that interested in that I keep paying attention to the way Buffy's dressed. Tells you how much I don't really care.

The sound effect the demon makes when stabbed sounds a lot like the dusting sound effect. Interesting way of cutting costs, though it is processed a bit and doesn't sound exactly the same.

I've never actually watched this last part before. The talent show sequence. Wow, it's kind of painful to watch.

Conclusion: there's no point watching this episode more than once.

Nightmares:

Buffy in pigtails. Braided pigtails. Now, if only her hair was longer...

"Sometimes they glare" -- there are so many OMWF references in this episode... well, retroactive references, so it's really more that the moments in OMWF are homages to this episode

Okay, the dialogue in this episode is really good -- writing is credited to Greenwalt, so I think I'm seeing why that's the case.

Oh god, spiders. All arthropods drive me insane. Just... ugh.

"What do they need all those legs for anyway?" -- again...

This is the third episode in a row where they make a reference to Nazis. That's... interesting.

Cordelia seems oddly sympathetic towards Buffy in the history test segment -- in her own unusual way, but oddly sympathetic.

Using regular, not mechanical, pencils? I remember those days not at all fondly.

And then I'm reminded that the Billy storyline here is a little clumsy -- also, when I think Billy referencing this show, I think of Billy Blim from Angel. Am I the only one confusing things?

They have greasers at this school? That's odd -- I mean, I like leather jackets, but with the sunglasses and the way they're talking, it's a little much.

Oh god, the scene between Buffy and her dad. This is... I really like this episode, and this is the main reason why this episode works so well. You really see into the characters, most especially Buffy.

Seriously, that scene is almost perfectly done. They even kept the score more restrained than was usual in this season.

"That would be a musical comedy version of this." Yet again.

And next time you see Buffy, just walking around campus -- really makes me just want to give her a hug. She looks like she really needs one.

And they do that annoying thing where they show the same exact shot right before and right after the commercial break -- that's really irritating, especially when you're watching it with the commercial breaks cut out.


Willow's nightmare is one of the first overt signs we get that Joss loves to torment his actors. That's part of why I get the James Cameron vibe from Joss.

Swastikas on the wall -- that's kind of odd, really. Not sure what the fascination was with Nazis for this quarter of a season.

Xander's dream should've turned into him eating all this candy and turning out to be fat.

On a different note, am I the only person my age (early 20s) who isn't afraid of clowns?

The Master was wasted in this season, partially because it was so short and partially because the writing team wasn't as good as they were later on. He's a lot of fun, but ultimately wasted.

Willow looks ridiculous in that makeup.

The nighttime across the street effect is... bizarre. Also, Buffy's birth year is finally decided on.

Seeing Buffy as a vampire is... interesting. The makeup looks really good. I once was wondering what Faith looked as a vampire (of course, that should surprise no one). Also, I wonder if vampire and slayer strength are additive, given this episode, that might have to be the case. Also, how did they get Buffy there through all the daylight?

As bad as those wasps looked, they still bug me. Pun kind of intended.

And the name Billy is also making me think of Dr. Horrible. My brain is all over the place.

Ending of this episode is a little too telegraphed, but kind of works.

Really, the character work with Buffy is what really makes this episode work. And Xander and Willow's conversation at the end... One thing that I notice with these endings is that most shows will keep the shot going, even after the dialogue is done, while as soon as the stinger here has been said, bam, cut to black.



Overall thinking: one "meh" episode, one pointless one, and two pretty good episodes. I still haven't seen anything to convince me that season one isn't the worst season of the show, but it's not outright terrible beginning to end.
 
Well, I'm caught up, and now we're moving to Out of Mind, Out of Sight.

And here are my thoughts from it:

The credits are a lot better if you're just listening and not watching -- they get a lot better later on, visually.

I remember when I first watched this, it was pretty close to home, really. However, I'm finding it hard to find things to say about it -- there's not too much to it on another watch.

Xander is carrying a skateboard again.

The "You may have to work on listening" thing sounds like really badly done ADR.

Angel pops up. And I notice how he looks significantly younger than he does later on, especially in his own series. So much for the not aging thing.

This conversation between Angel and Giles is really kind of odd.

I'm really not as into this episode as I was before -- kind of unfortunate, as I remember really liking it.

The quantum mechanical? This has nothing to do with actual science.

And Cordelia makes her first step towards the character development that follows throughout this entire series and Angel. I love her logic about why she comes to Buffy for help, too -- thinking that Buffy's in a gang or something similar.

Cordelia talking about how she feels lonely despite being so popular is the first thing that made me start to like her, which is part of what I think makes this show genius -- it is able to take characters of types that I shouldn't like, and it makes them likeable anyway. Cordelia is the first example I can think of, then there's another later on (yes, you guessed right...)

Angel starts a disturbing trend of being in the right place at the right time for no discernible reason... Made him in the second half of season 3 a little... you know what? I'm going to stop it there, we can talk about that when we get to season 3.

"It's not like I need the oxygen." He says as he's panting.

I don't know, this is a little underwhelming compared to how much I liked it first time through the series. Guess it just doesn't have much rewatch value.
 
Thoughts on "Out of sight out of mind":

I think this is one of the better episodes of S1, even if it's not one of the more memorable ones. I remember as a kid liking the metaphor a lot and thinking it was really apt, but now I'm not so sure. I don't want to sound like I'm siding with Cordelia or anything, and this is going to sound a little rough, but we make our own fates. I felt bad for Marcie, I did, but I guess it's just a little harder for me to understand now why she couldn't find a way, any way, to make her situation better. I thought it was an nice message, of trying to pay more attention to the people around us, but maybe not executed that well. Marcie was the one who chose to flip out, and that's not on Xander or Willow. I don't know, maybe that's just something the changes as you grow older. However, I LOVE the yearbook scene, with the "have a nice summer" kiss of death line. That's so true.

I thought it was an important Cordy episode too. I liked that she was shown to have a bit more depth, and that it continues as the series progresses (although it doesn't really hit its stride until Angel). I liked her speech about feeling alone too. Everyone feels alone from time to time, some more than others, but that's not an excuse to think that no one else feels the same way.

The FBI guys were beyond useless. And I was a little stumped by the "this has happened at other schools..." thing. I mean, I assumed Marcie turned invisible because of some sort of undefined power of the Hellmouth, but I guess not? Confusing.

I thought the Angel scenes were good. It was a nice touch on the invisibility theme of the episode and how Angel deals with it too, how we can all feel like that at times. Not just with his reflection but with how he can't be around Buffy at that point, and has to help her while staying invisible to her. I thought it was nice symmetry. And it was nice to see him interact with a member of the cast beyond Buffy. I liked his talk with Giles. In particular I thought Anthony Head played the scene really well, how strange is must have been for Giles.

Angel starts a disturbing trend of being in the right place at the right time for no discernible reason...

I don't know. He did say that he would be back shortly with the Codex Prophecies (does make me wonder how so many ancient/mysterious/magical weapons/books/artifacts find their way to Sunnydale, and how they all seem to be from the 14th or 15th centuries...), and his explanation of smelling the gas made sense.

Plus, purely from a writing standpoint, he hadn't been in the show for a little while by that point, and was going to have a bigger role to play in the season finale coming up. It didn't hurt to have the audience reacquainted with him.
 
I don't know. He did say that he would be back shortly with the Codex Prophecies (does make me wonder how so many ancient/mysterious/magical weapons/books/artifacts find their way to Sunnydale, and how they all seem to be from the 14th or 15th centuries...), and his explanation of smelling the gas made sense.

Plus, purely from a writing standpoint, he hadn't been in the show for a little while by that point, and was going to have a bigger role to play in the season finale coming up. It didn't hurt to have the audience reacquainted with him.

Yes, putting Angel back into the show was a good idea, and having a way to get the audience reacquainted with him was a good idea. Thing is, they already did that with him telling Giles that he'd be able to get the Pergamum Codex (wow, I'm a nerd -- I spelled that right first try without looking it up), so having him rescue them from the closet with the gas leak isn't entirely necessary. Then again, that entire scene feels a little unnecessary outside of the obligatory "get them out of the way", so it might be more of a problem with the execution of that part of the story, and Angel got dragged into it because they needed a resolution. Still not the best execution. (And I think Angel has the problem of not entirely fitting in this show as well -- he's a great character, but he's much, much better on his own show. We'll soon get to Season 2, where he's at his best on this show and you'll hear positive things from me about him, but yeah... also, once we get to Season 4, I'll be adding an Angel rewatch thread that follows a similar schedule to this, participate if you wish, but there I'll actually have a lot of good things to say about Angel. And wow, I think this parenthetical aside has gotten longer than the rest of my paragraph.) It just feels like, outside of the Season 2 storyline (which I love and is awesome), they just didn't know what to do with Angel, since his presence would overpower everyone else besides Buffy (him being the male lead and overshadowing everyone else was essential to Season 2), so he acted a bit like Deus Ex Machina when the storyline wasn't about him (I'm thinking of The Dark Age, which was rightfully retconned by Christos Gage), which is a trend that bugs me. Really, the best thing that ever happened with Angel was sending him off to his own show. (I'm suddenly hearing that famous like from Star Wars: Stay on target...)

As for the thing about this power seeming a little Hellmouth-y but really wasn't... well, this episode is very reminiscent of The X-Files, and that show wasn't exactly known for its great consistency and logic, so they decided to copy the flaws along with the style (or, for a less snarky and more fan-wanky answer, the rest of the invisible girls are from Cleveland).
 
Hey, guys, I saw that you are pretty much at the end of season one right now, but I wanna join in anyway. I just watched The Puppet Show, because it's my favorite season 1 episode.
Yeah, here are some of my thoughts:
I just love the old-school episodes. Season one is just special. Also love Willow's long hair.
Xander references two of my favorite movies in the episode: The Shining (Redrum! Redrum!) and The Usual Suspects ("Keyser Söze'd").
And I noticed one line Giles said:
"I'd like to think you're right. A demon is a creature of evil,
pure and very simple. A person driven to kill is, is, um, it's more
complex."

This kind of changed throughout the course of the show. Sure, for the sake of the plot, so I'm not complaining, but the more the show progresses, the more complex the demons become. Suddenly, there are even nice demons like Clem.


Oh, and could you please tell me what episodes are next? I'm guessing Prophecy Girl is next.
 
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