What should the legal voting age be?

[Taake]

My god what a horrid little FASCIST are you , over 65 don't count , what next put the coloured people back picking cotton, and of course the Jewish problem....maybe you can solve that
Poor you still at school at 21 no doubt mum and dad are still chipping in to keep you ?
Let me tell you about the over 65, they started their lives with food rationing......things you take for granted today today like fresh fruit was non existent or a best a luxury right though the fifty's ,
The vast majority had no chance of going to university, if they fail;ed 11 plus then they generally had a much poorer education than there high school brothers , leaving school at 15 the best that was on offer was a apprenticeship ( 15 not 21 that's 6 years more paying in not taking out ) Thatcher came in in 1979 so a 65 year old would have been 26 , a lot of people older than 26 , voted for Thatcher and they had been though a lot tougher times including 2 world wars ,
You are under the impression that over 65 want to go back to there youths with no Car's , holiday's ( only 9 days paid ) , no benefits , no central heating, not electricity in every room ,no phone, no hot water, no travel, no inside toilets ,no sick pay , you talk about stupid people, looked in a mirror lately ?
Yes housing was more affordable , but they had interest rates of up to 15% try the young of today with that !
Of course over 65 care about the future they have Children and grand children and want the best for them , they believe leaving the EU is the best for them , they see the damaged that Mass immigration has done to housing etc , they were/are doing manual type jobs have felt the impact more , cutting their earning power over the last 25 years ,
Where maybe at 21 you don't care were the power lies Brussels not Westminster but I think as you get older you will , The over 65s do not understand why a trading block will want a Army ? , they don't want to be run by a guy who is so drunk most of the time he cannot even put on matching shoes and thjere is no way of removing him , no they care!! they they care a great deal , but most are not fooled by the men in suites
Stop and ask yourself what has Kinnock done for the uk to warrant a £1.4 million pension , £96,000 for his wife now his son is a EU MP , stop believing the men in suites the Blair's, Majors , Browns , Gleggs , Camorons they are only looking after themselves , they have their noses in the trough,
Start thinking for yourself
My dad had a saying...... don't believe what you read and only half of what you see
Our American friends on here trade with the rest of the world, they would not give up there independence, have their laws made elsewhere , be told what to do , why should we ?

Calling someone a fascist is out of line! Like I've said in previous threads, this is not acceptable. This is a subjective judgement you're pushing onto someone else, please use more common sense during a political discussion where people are especially bound to disagree with each other!

Let's ALL consider that political opinions is not an excuse to personally attack other members or to slander people you disagree with.
If this continues the thread will be closed.

 

[gwenogjones]

My god what a horrid little FASCIST are you , over 65 don't count , what next put the coloured people back picking cotton, and of course the Jewish problem....maybe you can solve that

Wow - talk about a personal attack!
What part of me saying 'someone else said over 60s shouldn't vote and I explained why that was a terrible idea' means 'I don't think over 65s don't count.' Or do you not understand the nuance of in ONE particular set of circumstances - where it is ONE question ONE time that will effect the countries for DECADES to come- the voices of those who will live through those decades SHOULD count for more than those will die before those decades are lived?

People who were under 35 in 1979 HAD NOT lived through two world wars - that is just basic maths. The baby boomers are so called because they were born AFTER the war.

And I'm a lot past 21, love, - I do not include my self in the 'young' people who should be listened to more closely over brexit. So stop making assumptions about me. I'm well aware of the history of the baby boomers thanks, the flaws of the 11+ system (which Westminster wants to bring back - not Brussels!) and just how much the living standards in Britain has increased since we joined the EEC in the 1970s. You say old people don't want to go back to that - but they are pulling us out of the very trading block that gave us all the prosperity and comfort that you seem to loathe me in in particular and younger people in general for having grown up knowing. What else are we supposed to think other than 'yes they want to go back'? Your batshit brexiteer post just upholds every negative stereotype anyone might hold about .. well, batshit brexiteers and the baby boomers who joined them.

 

[Taake]

Wow - talk about a personal attack!
What part of me saying 'someone else said over 60s shouldn't vote and I explained why that was a terrible idea' means 'I don't think over 65s don't count.' Or do you not understand the nuance of in ONE particular set of circumstances - where it is ONE question ONE time that will effect the countries for DECADES to come- the voices of those who will live through those decades SHOULD count for more than those will die before those decades are lived?

People who were under 35 in 1979 HAD NOT lived through two world wars - that is just basic maths. The baby boomers are so called because they were born AFTER the war.

And I'm a lot past 21, love, - I do not include my self in the 'young' people who should be listened to more closely over brexit. So stop making assumptions about me. I'm well aware of the history of the baby boomers thanks, the flaws of the 11+ system (which Westminster wants to bring back - not Brussels!) and just how much the living standards in Britain has increased since we joined the EEC in the 1970s. You say old people don't want to go back to that - but they are pulling us out of the very trading block that gave us all the prosperity and comfort that you seem to loathe me in in particular and younger people in general for having grown up knowing. What else are we supposed to think other than 'yes they want to go back'? Your batshit brexiteer post just upholds every negative stereotype anyone might hold about .. well, batshit brexiteers and the baby boomers who joined them.

And two wrongs don't make a right. I understand the need to defend yourself against a personal attack but the member had already been told it was out of line, and you were ALL reminded to keep a good tone. Countering with things like "batshit brexiteers" etc is also not acceptable.

And with that, I'll be closing this thread. It is possible to disagree, and be annoyed by each other, withoutresorting to personal attacks.
When you feel the need to, take a step back and take a breath or don't respond at all. I'm not targeting anyone here, just reminding all of us. Personal attacks just perpetuates a cycle of more of the same and no one listens to anyone.