I apparentley am crazy because I believe Spike loved her more than Angel did.
As hard as it may be to process, kids, Bangel was just high school love. Buffy was sixteen years old when she "fell in love" with Angel. It ended after high school ended, just like most high school relationsips do in real life.
While unsouled, Spike loved Buffy unrelentlessly. Angel attempted numerous times to kill her friends and family members, and even succeeded once. Not to mention the numerous times Angel(us) has threatened Buffy. His obsession was sick. Moreso than Spike's attempted rape, which HE DIDN'T EVEN FOLLOW THROUGH WITH. I am NOT saying that rape is the answer to anything, but he didn't know what to do in that situation. He was only used to force, especially since Buffy has always maintained a physical relationship with him.
What Angel did was FAR worse. He was more than ten years older than Buffy when they had sex. In a sense, he DID rape her. He raped her of her innocence, and there was no indication that Buffy even wanted to have sex before it happened.
Ok, first off, Daniel, you know I like you and enjoy talking to you, so don't take this the wrong way - I know you won't though 🙂
High school love doesn't mean it is in anyway inferior to an 'adult' love. I have to deal with this attitude all the time because I've been with my partner since I was fifteen years old. Obviously, now that we're both 20, our relationship did not just end when high school did. Just because it's high school and you're relatively young
does not mean that you can't meet the person you want to spend the rest of your life with.
A 'high school love' isn't average, at all. There is nothing average about experiencing love for the first time and growing up/maturing with that person, so that five years later you can still be together because you've grown together. And I don't think I'm an exception either. I know a lot of people, both my age and older who are now married and have children with those 'average high school' loves of theirs
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Like I said previously in the thread, not everyone sees soulless Spike's feelings towards as Buffy as love. I certainly don't. Following someone around, making other partners play sex games pretending to the person you 'love' and secretly sniffing their clothes just doesn't sum up love for me, I'm afraid. It sums up CREEPY.
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In the nicest way possible, I still
cannot believe that Spike's attempted rape of Buffy is being defended. Especially by those of you who think that Spike loved her presoul. This is the time when you should be pulling out the 'he doesn't have a soul' card. You are free to say that Angel's obsession was also slightly 'sick', as I've got older I can understand why it
could be seen that way, even though I don't agree, but you can't say that and then act as if Spike's feelings were all fluffy and lovely. The fact that he didn't go through with the rape is absolutely besides the point. He wanted to, and I think he would 100% have done it, if Buffy hadn't managed to fight him off. I've said this several times before, but a kinky, aggressive, violent consenting sex life is NOT the same as rape and it in no way entitled Spike to try to do it. Buffy maintaining a physical sexual relationship with him, where she played mind games with him and says things like 'this isn't going to happen' and then sleep with him, is so very far from begging him to stop, like she did in 'Seeing Red'.
And this is where I really don't want to mean but the stuff about Angel...WHAT?! lol
No indication?! Of course there was! That whole thing 'I like seeing you in the morning' and the conversation with Willow about the fact Buffy wanted and was going to have sex with him?! He was also way more then 10 years older than her
😛 He didn't rape her of her innocence, she had reached a point in her life when she was in the perfect position to lose that innocence and become an adult, to which she wholeheartedly consented to. This is really not a good way to try and defend Spike's actions in 'Seeing Red'.
Even I can see how both of their obsessions with Buffy can be interpreted as strange and unconventional but you can't say those things about Angel and not recognise them in Spike, when for me they are much, much more obvious.
And...I think I'm done for now.
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