Rowan Hawthorn
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Yeah, but everything Andrew said there is now called into question, (we know that at least part of what he told Angel was a lie) so we don't know if that was true or just another misdirect.
Discussion of 8.12 "Wolves at the Gate Part 1" - Released 03/05/07 (Dark Horse)
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Cordelia Chase*
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Well!! Everybody knows Im glad that Buffy and Satsu did the nasty!!! I knew it was coming! Well not them doin the do but them hooking up in some way or form
what's up with all the people here complaining about buffy getting in on some hot lesbian action??? (well, at least people on the first 3 pages of this thread that i read). that was an awesome scene, and it's not like buf has to be either gay or straight - she could be bi...
awesome issue imo, though dracula kind of sucked in the buffy tv series... also, didn't buffy say in the previous comic that people who fall for her end up dead, or hurt or something? maybe that means satsu will die soon...
awesome issue imo, though dracula kind of sucked in the buffy tv series... also, didn't buffy say in the previous comic that people who fall for her end up dead, or hurt or something? maybe that means satsu will die soon...
white avenger
I think what happened between Buffy and Satsu had much less to do with sexual orientation than it did with lonliness. Both Buffy and Satsu were lonely, now they have each other. That works just fine with me.
Rowan Hawthorn
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*brings out large Nerf paddle*
I feel your pain. On the good side, my brother's attitude towards anything Buffy has validated my long-cherished opinion that he has no taste...
It just occurred to me that they've already treated each other better than Spike and Buffy did - before and after their first time "going all the way."
Now... how long that will last may be anybody's guess...
white avenger
Well, Satsu didn't start out saying, "I always knew the only thing better than BEING a Slayer would be f...." so she's one up on Spike.
Rowan Hawthorn
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Also, Buffy didn't threaten to kill her if she told anyone about it, and didn't punch her in the nose afterwards, so that may make her two or three up on Spike... :lmao:white avenger said:
palabravampiress
Bidet of Evil
Yay for positive character development. lol.
Perhaps we should be worried that we see it as a positive sign that our heroine is not physically abusing and threatening to kill her latest lover.
Rowan Hawthorn
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<snicker> On the serious side, though, it might at least mean that some of Buffy's emotional damage is healing.
white avenger
white avenger
Poor ol' Spike Just don't get NO respect! No wonder he decided to stay in Los Angeles.
Otaku Mike
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I enjoyed this issue very much, all its aspects and storyline. However, I feel like its story was intentionally drawn out to fill up the 24 pages or so. I mean, it seems to me that there is an unusual number of pages just filled up with 3 or 4 panels that are mostly a repeat with continuing dialogue (for instance, the page just after Andrew arrived in Buffy's room and turned on the light, 6 panels to just show the wolf-vamp go all misty and turn to human form in the armory, 3 large panels for Xander going "What?... Oh crap.", and the very last page.
All in all, it looks like 2 or 3 pages could have been saved and put to use to describe other things. I don't know, I feel like this issue is only the prologue of the story arc, but it's taking a quarter of the whole episode. With only 1 issue per month, I just wish that sometimes the story would go faster. Maybe the whole buzz about "the gang goes to Tokyo to fight ubervamps" made me want to see them go to Tokyo in the first issue of the arc and I was disapointed, so it feels like the story is dragging on to me.
Mike
All in all, it looks like 2 or 3 pages could have been saved and put to use to describe other things. I don't know, I feel like this issue is only the prologue of the story arc, but it's taking a quarter of the whole episode. With only 1 issue per month, I just wish that sometimes the story would go faster. Maybe the whole buzz about "the gang goes to Tokyo to fight ubervamps" made me want to see them go to Tokyo in the first issue of the arc and I was disapointed, so it feels like the story is dragging on to me.
Mike
Rowan Hawthorn
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Yeah, that's one of the drawbacks to comic form. Andrew greeting Buffy and Satsu as if nothing is out of the ordinary, then stopping while it registers and then wondering "How much Dramamine did I take?" while Xander and Renee look everywhere in the room except the bed; everyone turns to look at Xander: "Why's everyone looking - "; pause; *clicks*; "Aw, crap..."
Using multiple panels is the only way to actually get the effect of the "takes". Unfortunately, it also takes up pages. I wish we could get this in a bi-weekly (well, I really wish we could get this as a TV series, but...)
Using multiple panels is the only way to actually get the effect of the "takes". Unfortunately, it also takes up pages. I wish we could get this in a bi-weekly (well, I really wish we could get this as a TV series, but...)
CharmedSlayer85
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I don't know about the rest of you guys but I would really like for them to do something with Dawn, because it just seems as if her character is becoming nothing but baggage. I still feel like Joss made her a giant because he didn't know what else to do with her so he made that storyline up to give her a storyline. Other than that her involvement in this season has been EXTREMELY minimal.
Also I'd like to see more of the Slayers that we got to know in Season 7 like Rona and Vi, where are they? I mean I know we saw them in "The Chains," but geesh...more!!! And where's Chao-Ann? She survived the hellmouth battle. AND BRING BACK CLEM!!!!!!!!
Also I'd like to see more of the Slayers that we got to know in Season 7 like Rona and Vi, where are they? I mean I know we saw them in "The Chains," but geesh...more!!! And where's Chao-Ann? She survived the hellmouth battle. AND BRING BACK CLEM!!!!!!!!
white avenger
white avenger
Probably the survivors of the hellmouth battles are either assigned to different areas of the world, no doubt with adequate support teams, or they were part of that group Buffy referred to in Issue 1 who weren't active Slayers. For all we know, there might also be more hellmouths than just Cleveland, perhaps in Europe, Asia, or Africa, and they're there.
Clem Rocks
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I think the Dawn thing is building up to something, i hope it is atleast D=
And yes, they need to bring Clem back! and make him more of a main character than Buffy is! ^^
white avenger
white avenger
Well, she's supposed to be going to Japan with the gang, so maybe she can save them from Godzilla, or Mothra, or Gamara, or Rodan, or one of those other Japanese monsters.
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I'd also like to see more of the Dawn story. In fact I'd like to see the fact she's become a giant matter to the story arc. Right now what I'm wondering is how do you get someone her size to Japan. Is it possible to use her keyness to transport? Do they teleport her? Can Willow do a flying spell, and fly the whole crew on Dawn's back? Do they float her in the hold of a boat like King Kong?
There's something I wonder about expanding the character's of people like Rona and Vi. Being a big Vi fan I'd naturally like to see more of her, but is there a point where that kind of thing becomes a little much?
One of my nit-picks against the new Angel series is it's starting to feel like almost every page there's a new walk-on. At some point don't you want to say "Yeah that's fanfic-y fun, but tell the damned story will you?". What I mean is there's only so much space, and I want to know what's happening in the main arc.
There's something I wonder about expanding the character's of people like Rona and Vi. Being a big Vi fan I'd naturally like to see more of her, but is there a point where that kind of thing becomes a little much?
One of my nit-picks against the new Angel series is it's starting to feel like almost every page there's a new walk-on. At some point don't you want to say "Yeah that's fanfic-y fun, but tell the damned story will you?". What I mean is there's only so much space, and I want to know what's happening in the main arc.
white avenger
white avenger
If she doesn't go by teleportation she would have to go by ship or swim, because not even a Hercules C-100 military cargo jet could carry her.
Spike Angelus
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Don't you mean C-130 Herc? I used to fly on them back in my Air Force days.
Yes, I'm ex-miltary.
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I think they'd probably be teleported to Japan cause that's the only way I can see Dawn getting there or perhaps Willow opens up a portal as we've seen she can do that now. But I'd also like to see someone that can challenge Willow cause right now it does seem like Willow is virtually a goddess. I mean is Twillight more powerful than her? Will it eventually be a battle between Twillight and Willow instead of Buffy and Willow. (Since they can both fly kind of like the final battle in the Matrix or Dragon Ball Z)
And the problem I'm having with the Angel series is it's not as interesting as the Buffy series. All four issues after reading them I'm like with this feeling of WTF? HOwever with Buffy after reading I'm just like damnit I can't wait til next month, Angel I'm just like blah.
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And according to Wikipedia Season Eight is going to be 40 issues.
Joss Whedon serves as "executive producer" for the series across every issue, giving his other writers notes on characterization, continuity and his overall concept in mind as he would when overseeing Buffy as a television series. Joss has written the first story arc, "The Long Way Home" (#1-4) as well as several one-shot stories (#5, #10, and #11), and is set to write the series fourth (#16-19) and final (#36-40) story arcs himself as well.
Comic and television writer Brian K. Vaughan became the first guest writer on the series, writing the second story arc "No Future for You" (#6-9). While Vaughan was not a "Buffyverse" staff member, he was a fan of both series (particularly the character of Faith) and Joss Whedon himself was a fan of Vaughan's Marvel Comics series Runaways, on which he served as writer during the period Vaughan wrote "No Future for You."
Former Buffy and Angel writer Drew Goddard writes the series' third arc, "Wolves at the Gate." Goddard first became a Buffy writer in its final season, starting with the episode "Selfless" and finishing with the Angel episode "The Girl in Question", which itself obliquely hints at the life of Buffy post-Season Seven. Goddard went onto become the a writer of the movie Cloverfield and acclaimed American dramas Lost and Alias (all working alongside producer J. J. Abrams) whilst also penning the story "Antique" for canonical Buffy comic book Tales of the Vampires, which he goes onto reference in "Wolves at the Gate".
Film, comics and television writer-producer Jeph Loeb is set to write issue #20 of the series. Loeb had previously been involved with Joss in the conception of Buffy the Animated Series, which never came to be. Following Loeb are Buffyverse alumni Jane Espenson, Doug Petrie, Drew Greenberg, Jim Krueger and Steven S. DeKnight who between them are set to tell the story between issues #21 and #29. One set of issues between those writers will serve to comprise one story arc told from a number of different perspectives. Issue #29 will be written by an as-yet unannounced writer, before Brad Meltzer, author of several New York Times best-selling books and later both Identity Crisis and Justice League of America for DC Comics is set to write the penultimate story arc of Season Eight, issues #31-35. Whedon himself resumes authorship for the final four issues of the series, bringing Season Eight to an end.
So basically we got another 3 years and 4 months of Season Eight
And the problem I'm having with the Angel series is it's not as interesting as the Buffy series. All four issues after reading them I'm like with this feeling of WTF? HOwever with Buffy after reading I'm just like damnit I can't wait til next month, Angel I'm just like blah.
Edit:
And according to Wikipedia Season Eight is going to be 40 issues.
Joss Whedon serves as "executive producer" for the series across every issue, giving his other writers notes on characterization, continuity and his overall concept in mind as he would when overseeing Buffy as a television series. Joss has written the first story arc, "The Long Way Home" (#1-4) as well as several one-shot stories (#5, #10, and #11), and is set to write the series fourth (#16-19) and final (#36-40) story arcs himself as well.
Comic and television writer Brian K. Vaughan became the first guest writer on the series, writing the second story arc "No Future for You" (#6-9). While Vaughan was not a "Buffyverse" staff member, he was a fan of both series (particularly the character of Faith) and Joss Whedon himself was a fan of Vaughan's Marvel Comics series Runaways, on which he served as writer during the period Vaughan wrote "No Future for You."
Former Buffy and Angel writer Drew Goddard writes the series' third arc, "Wolves at the Gate." Goddard first became a Buffy writer in its final season, starting with the episode "Selfless" and finishing with the Angel episode "The Girl in Question", which itself obliquely hints at the life of Buffy post-Season Seven. Goddard went onto become the a writer of the movie Cloverfield and acclaimed American dramas Lost and Alias (all working alongside producer J. J. Abrams) whilst also penning the story "Antique" for canonical Buffy comic book Tales of the Vampires, which he goes onto reference in "Wolves at the Gate".
Film, comics and television writer-producer Jeph Loeb is set to write issue #20 of the series. Loeb had previously been involved with Joss in the conception of Buffy the Animated Series, which never came to be. Following Loeb are Buffyverse alumni Jane Espenson, Doug Petrie, Drew Greenberg, Jim Krueger and Steven S. DeKnight who between them are set to tell the story between issues #21 and #29. One set of issues between those writers will serve to comprise one story arc told from a number of different perspectives. Issue #29 will be written by an as-yet unannounced writer, before Brad Meltzer, author of several New York Times best-selling books and later both Identity Crisis and Justice League of America for DC Comics is set to write the penultimate story arc of Season Eight, issues #31-35. Whedon himself resumes authorship for the final four issues of the series, bringing Season Eight to an end.
So basically we got another 3 years and 4 months of Season Eight
Kemy
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A C-5 "Galaxy" cargo carrier aircraft is capable of carrying enormous loads, large than most small homes inside over great distances, as big as Dawn is she could still fit inside one of those with room to move around.
But, there aren't that many of them and something that big is not only going to be noticed but monitored, the Slayer Army probably couldn't charter one, so I'm guessing a transportation spell, but its going to have to be a pretty powerful one to shift that much mass. No offense to Dawn.
But, there aren't that many of them and something that big is not only going to be noticed but monitored, the Slayer Army probably couldn't charter one, so I'm guessing a transportation spell, but its going to have to be a pretty powerful one to shift that much mass. No offense to Dawn.
nerd4hire
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I think it would be kind of neat if Willow could tap into Dawn's keyness in some way, and transport the whole crew to Japan through her. It would give Dawn a reason for being there, because really, why do they even need her? Also Dawn becomes a little more interesting.
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Exept that isn't precisely what I said. 🙂 I like Dawn. I want them to make her matter in Season 8.
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Exept that isn't precisely what I said. 🙂 I like Dawn. I want them to make her matter in Season 8.
Kean
Yeah I agree...Dawn is like the appendix of the scoobies...pointless and annoying