Doyle

[greetings]

I personally found Hero much, much sadder than You're Welcome. Not that I wasn't upset by Cordy's death, because I really thought she was great, and brought so much to the show.
Maybe being Doyle had been one of only 3 main characters, and then he died, whereas Cordy hadn't been in the whole season before You're Welcome.
Anyway, I have ambivalent feelings towards watching Hero, because it makes me so happy that he dies a heroic death, but also so sad because Doyle was such an amazing guy, and my favourite character at the time 🙁

 

[Nackereia]

I might be the only person who wasn't saddened by You're Welcome. I was sad to see Cordy go, but over all? She lived a happy life.

I never felt that close to Doyle, either, so I was just "meh." towards his death the first couple of times I watched it. The third time, though, I cried. It was so beautiful that someone in this world still has honour (yes, I know he's fictional and that I'm a loser 😛).

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The saddest moment in the series for me was when Wesley died. I felt that Wesley, out of all of them, got the shortest end of the stick (haven't seen S3 & S4, so couldn't say one way or another on Connor). I just bawled over Wesley. He grew up being abused by his dad, trying to make his dad proud. Became a member of the Watcher's Council, only to be fired (and felt like he failed for being fired). He joined up with Angel, and he finally had friends. But he was manipulated into betraying Angel, and I don't think Angel ever completely forgave Wes for that. And I'm pretty sure Wes knew that Angel didn't forgive him. And Wes never even had Friend. Well, he had her for all of what? 5 hours? Yeah, that's real great.

So yeah, that's why I felt that Wes' death was the saddest
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Back on topic, I remember when Cordelia mentioned that Doyle was like a brother to Angel. I was all "...Huh? :s" Because I honestly can't remember Angel saying more than 5 words to Doyle throughout Doyle's involvement in the series. I will remember you! I remember that. Doyle was the one Angel confided in, then. But other than that, I just don't see Angel thinking of Doyle as a brother. I can see Angel thinking of Doyle as a friend, someone to go to a sports bar with (if Angel still did that sort of thing), but I can't see Angel thinking of Doyle as a brother.

Maybe Angel saw Doyle as a younger version of himself, though? I dunno. I just keep thinking of when Doyle's all 'Blah blah Cordy blah blah." and Angel's all "You think she's a hottie." And Doyle's all "Well, she's a stiffiner, all right. You can't deny that."

I just...I never felt close to Doyle. I think his death was too soon into the series for me to become emotionally invested in him.

 

[babyo0ogirl]

Just curious, why did they write Doyle off the show so soon? Or was he always meant to die in the middle of the first season? Anyone know? I really liked his character.

 

[GATEGOD]

I think Joss had planned it that way from the beginning. But if he didn't then I am pissed! But I think he always had it planned.

 

[JCC]

Yeah, he had planned to do it with Eric on Buffy the Vampire Slayer (well, he did, theoretically. He had just wanted to have Eric in the main credits though, to catch people out), but he couldn't afford it. This was his second chance to pull a big plot twist.

 

[Bangelxx]

That was a really sad ep! i wasn't a huge fan of Doyle really but even so, it was sad!

 

[smgfan75]

Doyle was great! He always seemed to be the optimist, which pissed Angel off so much, but if he wasn't there Angel probably wouldn't have even tried to fight the good fight. I was extremely pissed when he died, but he did go out in style. Wesley and Doyle would've been great for the rest of the season, I think he should have hung around a little while longer. Here's a stumper for ya, If Doyle didn't die in "Hero" how much longer do you think he would be around?

 

[Hello Cutie]

Here's a stumper for ya, If Doyle didn't die in "Hero" how much longer do you think he would be around?

As much as I loved Doyle in season 1 (and was somewhat annoyed they killed off a character that made me laugh so much... there wasn't much else that made me laugh in season 1), I don't think he'd have stayed much longer if they hadn't have killed him off. Forgetting the fact that Quinn died in real life, I don't think he'd have lasted more than maybe end of season 1. The character was funny and sweet and stuff, but I didnt get the feeling of longevity in the character that you get with Wesley for example... and I think the two of them in Angel together wouldn't have meshed so well.

[P.S. The best Doyle moment has to be 'our rats are low,' in the ad for AI.]

 

[Eloise]

I've only watched the first season of Angel, but Doyle was my favourite character in it. He was so funny and an optimist. A brilliant character, I think. I was very upset when he died. Hero and Bachelor Party were both great episodes, but I think Hero was best. It was so sad, but I'm pleased that he at least died a hero.

 

[x Queen cordy x]

i loved doyle and i cry whenever i watch hero..but it was the best way for him to die i think it was i kind of something that had to happen so cordy could get the visions and we could get wes

 

[LawgSkrak]

Yeah, he had planned to do it with Eric on Buffy the Vampire Slayer (well, he did, theoretically. He had just wanted to have Eric in the main credits though, to catch people out), but he couldn't afford it. This was his second chance to pull a big plot twist.

He did it again later with Tara on Buffy, too. Put her in the opening credits the same episode he killed her off.

 

[DOYLE01]

DOYLE WAS MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER EVER!!!I WAS SAD TO SEE HIM DIE BUT HIS DEATH PROVED THAT HE WAS REALLY A HERO

 

[lemst6]

I think Doyle was a fun character. He made Angel a little more light hearted, like the Spike of Angel. I don't think that Joss ever equally replaced Doyle during the series, it seemed that after him, no one had that lighthearted happy go lucky personality that Doyle had. Lorne was close to it, but even he didn't replace Doyle.

 

[DOYLE01]

DOYLE WAS MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER EVER!!!I WAS SAD TO SEE HIM DIE BUT HIS DEATH PROVED THAT HE WAS REALLY A HERO

Sorry i was shouting, i'm new, i'll try to remember next time.: erm :

 

[T.I.P]

Why kill Doyle and bring in Wes????????? Doyles much better.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Why kill Doyle and bring in Wes????????? Doyles much better.

Well, I know on one of the commentary tracks Josh was saying how they had to rewrite his lines and bring him back in to overdub because his accent was so thick it was hard to understand him.

Not that that was the reason he was written off the show but I am sure that it could have become problematic throughout the years.

 

[Karol]

I think they could kill Doyle and bring back Wesley but... It was so soon!! We only had 9 episodes with Doyle..

 

[caritas08]

I think Doyle was a fun character. He made Angel a little more light hearted, like the Spike of Angel. I don't think that Joss ever equally replaced Doyle during the series, it seemed that after him, no one had that lighthearted happy go lucky personality that Doyle had. Lorne was close to it, but even he didn't replace Doyle.

Well put. I LOVE Wesley but I don't see why his character couldn't have been on the show at the same time as Doyle's because they're pretty different. (I want to have my cake and eat it too).

As much as I love Wesley as a character and although I think he had excellant chemistry with the many other characters I don't think Angel/Cordelia/Wesley had as much chemistry as Angel/Cordelia/Doyle. It would almost be like if you took Willow or Xander out of the original mix of Buffy. It's just not the same, and Wesley grew so far removed from the other members of the group that they had even less chemistry towards the last two seasons. I think Doyle had a lot of unused potential and I don't think any character ever played off of Cordelia (sorry Cangels) as well as Doyle.

Doyle is definitely what got me hooked on the show, and one of the best (if most shortlived) characters in the Buffyverse. R.I.P. Glenn Quinn.

 

[Lou]

Boy, it looks like I'm the only freako who didn't adore Doyle. Oh well.
Partly because he wasn't around that long, but partly because he always feels like (keep in mind, I watched Angel first so I didn't think this exact thing the first time around) he was a weird, S1 Xander mixed with an early S4 Xander, with weird visions thrown in that made him somewhat crucial and not able to actually BE a bumbling idiot all the time.

It always seems rather strained in my mind.
I'm sure I would have liked him more had he been around longer, but he just wasn't.

I did LIKE him, but I see where they really needed Wesley and all his "watcher knowledge" more than vision guy with a gambling problem and in the midst of an identity crisis.

What I know I would have liked a LOT better is Wes and Doyle having some screen time together. Maybe if they had kept them around and he died in Pylea or in "That Old Gang Of Mine". Ah, wishes!

 

[LaneMeyer]

Boy, it looks like I'm the only freako who didn't adore Doyle. Oh well.

No you're not. I never got into Doyle very much either. After watching the series for the 3rd time, I grew to appreciate him more. He gave the series a real freshness when it needed it, and I liked his constant attempts to win Cordelia. However, his gambling problems and self-esteem about being part demon never resonated with me.

I like the way he went out though (not the episode in particular... one of my least favorites actually). Making him a hero that died fighting the good fight gave Angel's quest for redemption a little more heart and soul... and that was played on beautifully in season 5 during "Your Welcome" when they replayed the commercial Cordy and he did.