Guess the Big Bad for House Points II
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Clem Rocks
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hannahfngrl26
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Okay now that I actually finished reading No future for You I totally thought Riley at first also. But here is the thing, isnt that way to obvious. I mean the whole army thing. I dont know. I dont really see Riley wanting evil to reign over good. I am not so sure it is him. How about Xanders evil twin who has yet to be established.......
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I like the thought, that when Twilight is unmasked, Everyone including Buffy, will be like "Who are you?" So i'm going to be really random. This is a character I always thought would make a good villain, when the show was on, and since he never appeared, i'm gonna use the idea, I think it's Sam Zabuto - Kendra's watcher.
Kendra was in many ways, the perfect example of a slayer. But she had to give up so much, her childhood, her family, relationships, friends, to train to fight evil. All that sacrifice, and all she got was death, like all slayers before her. Zabuto feels both sorrow and anger for this, and feels responsible for taking so much from her. In seeing seeing 1800 slayers activated, he decides he can't let this happen. Buffy had no right to do this to them, they should be allowed to choose their own path in life, not have it chosen for them. Using his access to mystical knowledge, he powers up. He won't give up on his calling to fight evil, but he won't let young girls be lead to their death either. He's responsible for the theft of the scythe, if he can de-power the girls, he will. But Buffy may have to be stopped.
Kendra was in many ways, the perfect example of a slayer. But she had to give up so much, her childhood, her family, relationships, friends, to train to fight evil. All that sacrifice, and all she got was death, like all slayers before her. Zabuto feels both sorrow and anger for this, and feels responsible for taking so much from her. In seeing seeing 1800 slayers activated, he decides he can't let this happen. Buffy had no right to do this to them, they should be allowed to choose their own path in life, not have it chosen for them. Using his access to mystical knowledge, he powers up. He won't give up on his calling to fight evil, but he won't let young girls be lead to their death either. He's responsible for the theft of the scythe, if he can de-power the girls, he will. But Buffy may have to be stopped.
Clem Rocks
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I thought about it last night and realised it has to be someone new, the only person we've seen before that really matches Twilight's build, is Hamilton
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Allycat
or Jayne... now that would be a twist, good sir!
cranetimothyj
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yeah, I'm all for soemoen knew now that I really think about it, 'cause i know i would love to see the mask come off and everyone be "who are you?" as well. Sounds like Joss' humor.
Anya2012
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I'm back onto Twilight being Giles. It will be like Giles to want to end all magic etc because remember he's reaction when Will resurrected Buffy. He was appalled. He was almost always against Willow doing magic.
Someone pointed out that the Last Great Watcher sacrified himself in the middle of Starbucks but they never mentioned it was Giles. It could have been Andrew.
Someone pointed out that the Last Great Watcher sacrified himself in the middle of Starbucks but they never mentioned it was Giles. It could have been Andrew.
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Last GREAT watcher? Andrew? Really?
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for some reason I just don think its Angelus. WHy would he travel from LA across seas to take out BUffy?? HOw did he know she was there? It seams to easy/. I mean I would be disappointed. and bored. Angelus the big bad?
It has to be a human. Why would and magic related person/creature want to end all magic????
It has to be a human. Why would and magic related person/creature want to end all magic????
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Spiley anyone?!
white avenger
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My money is still on an evil counterpart or one of the regular Buffyverse characters and Angelus is still at the top of my list. If Wolfram and Hart had split Angelus with his vampire powers and evil personality away from Angel it would be the perfect way to bring about the character crossover between Dark Horse and IDW, and with ANGEL:ATF having its projected number of issues getting closer and closer to its conclusion, that seems to be the perfect ending to their season, and a great lead in to whatever future plans Joss might have.
Clem Rocks
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Here's a crazy theory, could it perhaps be one of the original shadow men or one of their descendants? They could have made the Slayer, knowing that there could be only one and now Buffy's gone and buggered that up and it's up to them to sort it out. And then there's the name, shadow's are kinda twilighty, right?
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I'm voting for Spike. 100%.
Buffy the vampire slayer season 8 take place a year and a half after season 7 ended. Below is a timeline so ya can understand this better.
2002/2003 - Buffy season 7 * ANGEL season 4
2003/2004 - ANGEL season 5
2004/2005 - ANGEL season 6 (After the Fall)
2005/2006 - Buffy season 8
Buffy the vampire slayer season 8 take place a year and a half after season 7 ended. Below is a timeline so ya can understand this better.
2002/2003 - Buffy season 7 * ANGEL season 4
2003/2004 - ANGEL season 5
2004/2005 - ANGEL season 6 (After the Fall)
2005/2006 - Buffy season 8
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A wild suggestion
SPOILERS for: Buffy, multiple issues and Angel ATF Issue #3
I haven't gone through all the pages of this thread so I don't know if my screwy thought has been suggested yet, but I'm going to put it out there.
Willow
Isn't the first time we see Twilight in Issue 1, where the "˜shot' pans back and reveals just his feet as he suspends in the air? He flies. And what's Willow been doing since she moved over to comic land? Also, in the current arc "˜Time of Your Life', it shows that Willow went all black-eyed crazy again, and that she believes Buffy to be a danger. Why is Buffy a danger? A reviewer named "˜cylonpete' in another forum mentioned something interesting about a scene in Issue #14:
"What particularly fascinates me with the whole Season thus far; is the downfall of Buffy and her friends. They really start to behave like gods in their own right. Interestingly enough, the scene where they burn the vamp, reminded me not just a bit of a similar scene in Season 5's episode "Fool for Love". In the episode Spike tells Buffy how he killed two slayers, one of them in China. Spike, Angel, Darla and Drusilla leave China in the exact same manner; and Spike walks in Buffy's spot. Buffy is disgusted that Spike enjoyed the killing, but here it appears to me that she did the enjoying. Mhm. No wonder Twilight wants to snuff her.;-)"
Maybe Willow sees Buffy & the other slayers in the same light the military does "“ as a threat. Only Willow has noticed it from the inside.
Also two smaller, and maybe insignificant, things "“ in "˜The Long Way Home' arc Buffy had that dream with Ethan Rayne and then later, I think in the next issue, Willow says something that was mentioned in the dream. Buffy looks up and has this "˜Hmm' moment. Not sure if it was explained where that led to, if it was there to help Buffy realize something in dealing with the current situation, but if it didn't it could imply that Willow knew of the dream because it was intentionally given to her, and if that's the case she could be Twilight. Also, Willow came out of that torture session with Warren way too unscathed. I know it's implied that her magic saved and repaired her, but something about it seems a bit suspicious.
Now before you say, "But Twilight's a man!" remember that glamour spells have been used plenty in Buffyverse (such as Angel using one to still look like a vamp in his book), so Willow could be using one to make the "˜man thing' happen. Notice that even Twilight's voice is "˜masked' by the use of different script to imply his voice is altered.
I'm down with all the other good suggestions "“ Riley, Xander, or even Buffy's dad (although where did any of them learn magic?), and Giles. I'd also agree with Angelus, Spike or even Caleb because of that, "I've seen that move before" line. Hey, it could even be Oz, especially since I read that he'll be appearing in an upcoming Jane Espenson arc. Truth is we can all speculate like crazy, but the only one who really knows is Mr. Whedon, who is probably visiting forums like this, reading all of our banter and smiling his ass off at all of our wild guessing.
SPOILERS for: Buffy, multiple issues and Angel ATF Issue #3
I haven't gone through all the pages of this thread so I don't know if my screwy thought has been suggested yet, but I'm going to put it out there.
Willow
Isn't the first time we see Twilight in Issue 1, where the "˜shot' pans back and reveals just his feet as he suspends in the air? He flies. And what's Willow been doing since she moved over to comic land? Also, in the current arc "˜Time of Your Life', it shows that Willow went all black-eyed crazy again, and that she believes Buffy to be a danger. Why is Buffy a danger? A reviewer named "˜cylonpete' in another forum mentioned something interesting about a scene in Issue #14:
"What particularly fascinates me with the whole Season thus far; is the downfall of Buffy and her friends. They really start to behave like gods in their own right. Interestingly enough, the scene where they burn the vamp, reminded me not just a bit of a similar scene in Season 5's episode "Fool for Love". In the episode Spike tells Buffy how he killed two slayers, one of them in China. Spike, Angel, Darla and Drusilla leave China in the exact same manner; and Spike walks in Buffy's spot. Buffy is disgusted that Spike enjoyed the killing, but here it appears to me that she did the enjoying. Mhm. No wonder Twilight wants to snuff her.;-)"
Maybe Willow sees Buffy & the other slayers in the same light the military does "“ as a threat. Only Willow has noticed it from the inside.
Also two smaller, and maybe insignificant, things "“ in "˜The Long Way Home' arc Buffy had that dream with Ethan Rayne and then later, I think in the next issue, Willow says something that was mentioned in the dream. Buffy looks up and has this "˜Hmm' moment. Not sure if it was explained where that led to, if it was there to help Buffy realize something in dealing with the current situation, but if it didn't it could imply that Willow knew of the dream because it was intentionally given to her, and if that's the case she could be Twilight. Also, Willow came out of that torture session with Warren way too unscathed. I know it's implied that her magic saved and repaired her, but something about it seems a bit suspicious.
Now before you say, "But Twilight's a man!" remember that glamour spells have been used plenty in Buffyverse (such as Angel using one to still look like a vamp in his book), so Willow could be using one to make the "˜man thing' happen. Notice that even Twilight's voice is "˜masked' by the use of different script to imply his voice is altered.
I'm down with all the other good suggestions "“ Riley, Xander, or even Buffy's dad (although where did any of them learn magic?), and Giles. I'd also agree with Angelus, Spike or even Caleb because of that, "I've seen that move before" line. Hey, it could even be Oz, especially since I read that he'll be appearing in an upcoming Jane Espenson arc. Truth is we can all speculate like crazy, but the only one who really knows is Mr. Whedon, who is probably visiting forums like this, reading all of our banter and smiling his ass off at all of our wild guessing.
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True, but unfortunately, unless Joss joins a house here, he is not eligible for house points. 😉
(He'd make a damned fine Drogyn though).
Anya2012
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Clem Rocks
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Never thought of Willow coming out of the torture season ok was suspicious , but now that you mention it...
Willow would never work with Warren though, so bang goes that theory
Willow would never work with Warren though, so bang goes that theory
cranetimothyj
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Yeah I never thought of that either, but i could see her working for Warren...TO BETRAY HIM!...she's dark like that
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