Little girl lost in the woods
- Jun 5, 2016
- Lisbon, Portugal
That doesn't mean that Spike was right, just that Riley was insecure and Buffy was preoccupied with her family and her slayer duties. Buffy never broke up with Riley.
It doesn't matter if Spike was right or not, it's the message the show sends that counts in this case.
1) Angel season 5 never even featured Buffy, just Anfrew fooling Angel and Spike and making fun of them. Buffy never dated the immortal according to the comics. And 'Chosen' doesn't imply that she will end up with either Spike or Angel, it says outright that Buffy doesn't feel ready for that choice, and that's it.
2) Spike isn't exactly the same as Angel, because he doesn't have the gypsy curse thing. Angel literally CAN'T be allowed to be in a happy relationship, because it might turn him evil. Spike has less problems of that kind.
In Chosen, both Spike and Angel acted like 12 year olds about Buffy starting some sort of love triangle in the last episode which continues in season 5 - Spike and Angel use Buffy to further their competition. I know Buffy chooses neither guy, that she's not in AtS S5 and that The Girl in Question was retconned. That doesn't matter. The end result is that, to this day, we are still debating Bangel vs Spuffy and that part of Buffy's legacy is now: she dated two vampires, which one should she end up with? This one my initial points, that the show turned Buffy's one time fling with a vamp into a pattern and now it's all about how Buffy loves vampires.
Dawn is the Joyce of the later seasons, and Joyce liked Spike in the early seasons too, so it's not any different.
How is Dawn the Joyce of later seasons?
What does that have to do with "accepting Spike into the group"? Tara was still never friendly with Spike.
Buffy thought she was wrong for sleeping with Spike and Tara pointed out that he loved her. She was trying to comfort Buffy, make her actions more justified, but the fact that everyone believed in Spike's love for Buffy - a real, selfless love - means he wasn't a monster in their eyes at all.
Buffy had a romantic relationship with a vampire in seasons 1-3, and she had a romantic relationship with a vampire in seasons 5-7. I don't see the distinction. Angel had a lot of reasons to be mistrusted too.
It's very different. Look, this is going nowhere. I'm just replying to what you say, but we lost the thread of this conversation. All of this started as a reply to @Fuffy Baith:
I don't like it either. It's something that bothers me about the latter seasons. Vampires are treated as either a joke, a romance interest, or just non threatening. Even the Turok Han which started out cool became weak.
Right now, we're just arguing back and forth aimlessly and you know we're never going to agree on this subject.
Sh killed Angel because she had to, to save the world. She didn't kill Spike in season 7 because she was never in a similiar situation with him.
I'll just add that Spike give them every reason to be dusted. And yes, Giles did try to kill Spike in S7. I was focusing on a time before he got his soul.
Well, 'Buffy' was never that good on the plot elements, it was always more character-driven than plot-driven. Remember 'Prophecy Girl', when the master inexplicably lost the ability to mind-control Buffy after she died and was resurrected?
Yes, but "Prophecy Girl" was S1 and Buffy defeated the Master supposedly because dying made her stronger. Not a good reason, but it was the first seasons and it's a minor quibble I have with the episode. You would expect better however from the seasons 5 and 7 finales - one is the end of Buffy on WB and the other one is the end of the show period. They were also the end result of a lot of buildup. Joss should know better by now. It wouldn't take much to rectify some of these plot points.