Supernatural Thread: Volume 2 (Spoilers in this thread)

but that doesn't mean it was Dean's fault that Sam went off without listening to anybody.
Before when I was saying it's not just Sam's fault about the apocalypse starting, that doesn't mean that I didn't basically hate him all the way throughout season 4 haha, by the time we got to the end of When The Levee Breaks I was kinda hoping Sam would get killed off permenantly in the finale, lol, tbh I've really only just started liking him again these last few episodes. So I totally get where you're coming from with this. I feel the excuse about Dean making him feel weak or whatever was just thrown in there to make it seem like Sam actually had a reason to act the way he did.

I really liked the latest episode.
I was so happy to see Ash again! I almost squealed out loud, lol. And it was really cool to see Pamela aswell 😀

The episode before this one was pretty good too, totally gross yes, but zombies are always fun, lol. Although poor Bobby 🙁. Just randomly, when Dean said ""Great, another horseman. Must be Thursday." I immediately thought "Dawn's in trouble, must be Tuesday" lol.
Yessss I loved seeing Ash again!! I must say that Zachariah is my second favourite angel, he is just sooo creepy and menacing, I just love him and he just makes every scene that he is in so awesome.
I found that zombie episode boring though, mostly because I don't care about Bobby, he could get killed off and I would honestly not care. :cool2:
 
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Awwwww, I like Bobby! Your a meanie! lol.
Well, he didn't technically kill the kid, but he may have if Sam hadn't had the vision and told him not to. But not letting anyone kill Sam didn't endanger anyone but himself, since everyone took off right after that. But I still don't believe--or perhaps just don't want to believe--that Dean would turn into the person that he was in the future. Obviously Present Dean doesn't want to either, and it was more or less a warning for him. Still, I didn't appreciate it.

One of Buffy's flaws is selfishness, but would you like to see her go to the future and find she had turned her back on her duty and everything she fought for to be with Angel or to have a normal life or something? That's a little how I felt.

Don't you see though that Dean acting the way he had in seasons 1-3, living for Sam only, that was what led him to be Future!Dean! He literally paved his road to Hell with good intentions. Idolising his father and dedicating his life to his brother has broken Dean, maybe irreprably, we have seen thsi focused on especially in the last few episodes.


Whoa, interesting take. I agree that they depended too heavily on each other, and Dean's issues did make it dangerous, but they didn't destroy each other. They destroyed themselves--that is, Dean destroyed Dean and Sam destroyed Sam. I disagree with how negatively you've drawn their relationship, and as I said, it's one of the parts I loved about the show.

Well their destrcution for each other may be up for debate but personally, I think they damned themselves for each other.

I don't think I have drawn their relationship anymore negatively than it actually has been. They love each other, that isn't even a point of contention, but they have continued to make wrong decision after wrong decision to save each other.

I mean if you want to draw the Buffy comparison, she at least learned how wrong her stance was with Dawn in Season 5. After everything they have been through and all the tragedy they have faced, they still haven't learned to let each other go. If they had, then the world wouldn't be ending right now.
 
Don't you see though that Dean acting the way he had in seasons 1-3, living for Sam only, that was what led him to be Future!Dean! He literally paved his road to Hell with good intentions. Idolising his father and dedicating his life to his brother has broken Dean, maybe irreparably, we have seen this focused on especially in the last few episodes.
This is true. And a nice way to throw my metaphor back at me. =P And alright, I'm coming around to your point. Dean was a seriously messed-up individual, and he placed his self-worth on the acceptance and safety of others--John and Sam, respectively. I still appreciate his dedication, even if it eventually turned into poison for him.


Well their destruction for each other may be up for debate but personally, I think they damned themselves for each other.
Well, definitely. But in the same way I won't blame Sam's actions on Dean, I won't blame Dean's on Sam. Dean did not force Sam into starting the Apocalypse, even if Dean made him feel weak. Similarly, Sam did not force Dean to sacrifice himself and make his deal. They destroyed themselves for each other, but they were not destroyed by each other. A very fine distinction, but a distinction nonetheless.

I don't think I have drawn their relationship anymore negatively than it actually has been. They love each other, that isn't even a point of contention, but they have continued to make wrong decision after wrong decision to save each other.
Again, my views are shifting a bit, and I get what you're saying.

I mean if you want to draw the Buffy comparison, she at least learned how wrong her stance was with Dawn in Season 5. After everything they have been through and all the tragedy they have faced, they still haven't learned to let each other go. If they had, then the world wouldn't be ending right now.

Ah, but isn't there beauty in that? They can't let each other go. I think you meant to criticize them, but it actually just made me start to appreciate them more! Guess I just like my heroes all messed up and damaged.
 
Well, here we go.
Judging by the names of the last few eps of this series & the fact that Dean just drove off to say yes to Michael, it's time for the big throwdown. Detroit here we come.
 
I'm struggling to figure out how Dean can be a servant of Heaven yet be so utter disillusioned?

I really appreciated the final scene though, that's how I always pictured him happy too.
 
I have a question...if the title of this thread states there are spoilers in the thread why are some of you hiding your comments about the show? Is this not a thread of shows already aired so what exactly are you spoiling for other readers?
 
I have a question...if the title of this thread states there are spoilers in the thread why are some of you hiding your comments about the show? Is this not a thread of shows already aired so what exactly are you spoiling for other readers?
Good point, I think people are just highlighting their comments for other people who are behind in the series.

Anyway I didn't like the last scene, it was cute and all and I did like
Lisa & Ben in the other episode
but Idk I just wasn't really feeling it. The rest of the episode was pretty good though & I loved that Cas was in the episode for more than like two minutes 😛.

I'm so so so excited for next week, I watched a preview clip for next week and
Cas kicks Dean's ass
- awesome, someone needed to do it.
 
I have a question...if the title of this thread states there are spoilers in the thread why are some of you hiding your comments about the show? Is this not a thread of shows already aired so what exactly are you spoiling for other readers?

People asked us to use spoiler tags because they were not caught up on the show.
 
Anyway I didn't like the last scene, it was cute and all and I did like
Lisa & Ben in the other episode
but Idk I just wasn't really feeling it.
Okay I figured out why I didn't like it.. why would Dean basically confess his love to a woman he had a great weekend with years and years ago and then saw one time a few years later, it don't make sense, and was just completely random. And
IF HE IS GOING TO SAY YES TO MICHAEL WHY WOULD HE SAY HIS LAST GOODBYES TO SOME RANDOM WOMAN INSTEAD OF SPENDING TIME WITH SAM?! AND BOBBY?! AND CAS?! I mean I know they'd try to stop him but ughh.
Also, surely it'd make more sense for him to go see Cassie from season 1 because didn't he admit he loves her and all that. I don't think I could have rolled my eyes harder at that last scene if I'd tried.
 
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He didn't confess his love for her, and I don't think he loves her per se. He just said that he can see himself happy with Ben and Lisa, and that he will protect them from whatever happens.
People asked us to use spoiler tags because they were not caught up on the show.

Well I don't think we should have to use spoiler tags because the title of the thread states there are spoilers in this thread. So if you don't want to know don't enter the thread. That's what I do on other forums I go to.
So if I put in my opinions or postings without tagging it am I going to be attacked by those who are reading the thread? Because I would really like exchange theories and opinions freely with regular contributors.
 
Alright, so I finally did catch up with Season 5. I'm really glad I did! I still have my original reservations, and I'm not without complaints, but I do enjoy this show very much. I'm tired, though, of watching Dean get beaten down. I know some viewers are probably frustrated with his actions, but I just feel sorry for him. He might not be taking the traditional "shoulder it and keep fighting" routine that heroes are generally supposed to have, but damn if I wouldn't do the same thing in his position. I don't think he'll say yes, but I do think there will be a major fallout from next week's episode. His reunion with Lisa was nice, if incredibly angsty. I could see him happy with them, too.
 
What are your theories?

TO THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO KNOW SPOILERS DO NOT READ THIS

Well throughout this season the boys have been collecting "trinkets" such as the rings from war, famine, the colt that Crowley gave back, Sam convincing the anti-christ kid that he had a choice not to kill, bone tatoos that hide them from angels, the trickster (who is an angel) has finally been shown he needs to take a side and was spared, the holy oil that can trap an angel (like a demon's trap), the silver spike that can kill an angel and most of all an angel who has lost his faith but is the best researcher about the bible and other literature because it is, as he said, seared into his brain.
Now some of these trinkets might be used in the fight between heaven and hell this season and others are probably going to be stories in season 6. Afterall there is going to be a mess after Lucifer and Michael square off so someone has to clean it up. And seeing as how Crowley (the demon that gave the colt back) doesn't want Lucifer to win because that means Lucifer will kill all the demons too. So season 6 could possibly be Crowley trying to take over the top job as the devil so if he collects the trinkets it will help him establish evil to rule the world.
When Michael was in John's body earlier this season he told Dean that the Winchesters are direct descendants of Kane and Able so Michael can go into any Winchester because it's in their blood. That said that means Lucifer can enter a Winchester because Lucifer and Michael are basically Kane and Able. So I think either Dean or Sam are going to accept both Lucifer and Michael into them.
Now last episode Joshua said God is out. He put the boys on the plane at the start of the season and put Castiel back together. So I'm thinking God said he is out until someone makes a self-sacrifice for the side of good to defeat evil. Or two brothers switch vessel roles to save the other. Still the self-sacrifice that God is looking for because one brother is sacrificing for the good of the other to live to defeat evil.
If anyone is looking for a forum where theories and ideas can be posted without spoilers because both threads (spoiler and non-spoiler) After Darkness has some really good discussions and it is broken down season by season.
 
100th episode was AWESOME.

NOOO ZACHARIAH I LOVED THAT FABULOUS ANGEL 🙁. Cas was amazing when he was up against those 5 angels, and I loved him beating up Dean.
Dean's face when he was looking at Sam after he'd said yes was so sad 🙁 but he looked so pretty as well, lol.
Aw I actually liked Adam in this episode even though I did hate him in Jump The Shark.
 
Aw I actually liked Adam in this episode even though I did hate him in Jump The Shark.

I did not notice in Jump the Shark how much his vocal patterns, the tone and pitch sounded like Jensen Ackles. Does anyone know if he was 'acting' to match the voice or if that was his natural voice?5
 
You have to remember Scobro Adam was a ghoul in Jump the Shark so maybe the ghoul was unable to mimick Adams real patterns and voice.
I've watched all 100 episodes have seen countless demons and angels killed but I shouted out and gave a huge fist-pump when Dean rammed that silver spike into Zach-douche-eria's brain!!!
This was a great 100 and everyone from the writers to the actors really worked hard and it showed. I can't wait to see what's next. Lucifer and Michael are now on earth but are in the wrong vessels. Is Michael going to go on a rampage to "knock the rust" off his fighting skills? Or is Michael going to make a beeline and try to take on Lucifer? Are the guys going to interfere to save Adam or are they going to sit it out, like God is?
Four shows to go for the rest of season 5!
 
I really didn't like this episode. Did we have to have ALL of those double entendres? There is a line between giving a nod to the fans and completely killing the show's integrity with fan service, and well, the line is currently a dot to the writers!!
 
I really didn't like this episode. Did we have to have ALL of those double entendres? There is a line between giving a nod to the fans and completely killing the show's integrity with fan service, and well, the line is currently a dot to the writers!!

What? Could you give an example how the show killed it's integrity? And some examples of the double entendres? Thanks
 
I really didn't like this episode. Did we have to have ALL of those double entendres? There is a line between giving a nod to the fans and completely killing the show's integrity with fan service, and well, the line is currently a dot to the writers!!
I liked the fan service & double entendres, well apart from Zach's line about Sam & Dean being 'erotically codependent'... ick Wincest.
 
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