Angel started his quest for redemption because he saw Buffy as she become a slayer and he loved her from the start as human aswel as a slayer.
Buffy made Spike search for redemption, too.
🙂 And quite frankly, I really don't believe that "he loved her as a human" or when he first saw her. It sounds a lot like the conversations in Him:
BUFFY You don't even know this R.J. Not really.
DAWN (sits up in the bed) I do know him. I know his soul.
BUFFY Really? Dawn, he wasn't even on your radar yesterday.
DAWN It isn't a crush. It's love. I love R.J.
BUFFY Again, since yesterday. Dawn, it's awfully fast.
Orr,
WILLOW But you don't even know him!
ANYA Yes, I do. I looked into him and saw his soul.
WILLOW He was walking away, so unless his soul was in his ass -
ANYA A.J. is my best friend and my dearest darling -
WILLOW It's R.J. And what you were picking up on was his deep caring and devotion to me.
They are champions of the people
Spike was a champion, too. In fact, both Angel and Buffy have said that Spike is a champion.
pure of heart and lets face it if it was not for Angel they would still be together its only because Angel loved Buffy so much he let her go so she could try and have a normal life.
But that's their problem: Both of them are so focused on having "a normal life", that they barely even try to make their relationship work. Neither of them are normal people, they're not going to get a normal life. Buffy tried with Riley, and we all know how that ended up.
Now lets look at Spike the only reason he didn't keep trying to kill Buffy was because of the chip that is not love.
He didn't have a soul. ANGEL tried to kill Buffy, Buffy's friends and family, and everything that Buffy loved when he was soulless, but you don't hold him responsible for that, do you?
He tried to rape Buffy is that love? I don't think so.
This has been discussed so many times, I'm sure all of you know my opinion on this matter by now.
🙂 I'll just leave it at he was soulless at the time. He NEVER tried anything when he had a soul, unlike Angel.
Also at the end of season 7 she hinted on going to Angel she always runs to Angel even Spike knows Buffy didn't love him.
She didn't really hint. OK, I'm assuming that you're taking "the hint" from "Angel- sometimes I do think that far ahead." She COULD have been letting him down easy, you know, actually hinting that SPIKE was the one she was thinking of. And, as Angel said, "I'm gettin' the brush off for Captain Peroxide."
Bangel is the obvious winner.
You have yet to prove that.
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IMO, "frienship" is a mutual feeling of understanding and affection with another person who you enjoy being mentally close to. I don't see how someone can be in love with someone that they're not friends with.
Many Bangel's enjoy Spike's speech in Lovers Walk: "You're
not friends. You'll never be friends.
You'll be in love till it kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends." But I see it as more of a negative thing. Not being best friends with your lover is definitely not a good thing. Love is all about understanding, empathy, trust, respect. People who know everything about each other, and can talk about anything. They joke, and hang out, and share their thoughts, and have fun doing it. Love is really just another level of friendship. You really CAN'T love someone that you don't already love and value as a friend. Love is all about a friendship set on fire, more passionate. I see it as a friendship where you enjoy both emotional and physical closeness.
Also, little side note about the "you'll be in love 'til it kills you both" part: Angel's already dead, and Buffy died at the end of S5.
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Also, they can't "shag", so that part was obviously false.
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Now, to Spuffy: In S7, Spike was Buffy's best friend. She took care of him when he was having issues, and always believed in him. He was there for her when no one else was, and he gave her the strength she needed to defeat Caleb. Buffy said many times that she felt as though Spike was the only one watching her back, and said that if Wood ever tried to hurt/ kill Spike again, she'd let Spike kill him. Joss said in the Chosen Commentary that the Spuffy relationship "had enough trust in it that it was physical and romantic, but not sexual." She confided in him things that she couldn't tell anyone else, and she always took him with her to help out with the potentials. She often hung out and talked to him in the basement, and said that she "believed in" him. She trusted him not to do anything, and removed his chip to save him. She definitely loved him, at the very least as a friend. She wouldn't say that she loved him if she didn't. When she says she loves someone, she means it. Also, I think it's fair to say she loved him as more than a friend. (I.e, her jealous behavior and the "he's with me" when Faith came in Dirty Girls) In End of Days, she told him that the night they spent together in Touched meant something to her, and that she was there with him. When Spike asked what that meant, she said "does it have to mean something?" "Maybe later-" Which, coincidentally, sounds a LOT like the "bangel" cookie analogy. She's not sure if they can have a relationship now, but maybe later. Sound familiar?
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Spuffy was a relationship of understanding, compassion, love, trust, and development. They weren't in love when they first met, or even years after they met. It was a slow process. They took time to get to know each other. And boy, judging from their journey from enemies to allies to unrequited love to sex partners to friends and lovers, I'd say that they know more about every aspect of each other than anyone else ever will. They don't have a "normal" relationship, and they shouldn't. They have a very passionate way of interacting, and many of the writers have said that Spike "is in many ways, her counterpart. And closer to her than many of the other characters."
Also, in the Buffy Season 8 comics, it is shown that Buffy loves both Spike and Angel equally. So that answers that question.
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In the Angel comics, Angel said that is one true love was his son. Not Buffy, or any other girl. Which answers THAT question.
Bangel was in many ways a more childlike relationship. I know that she killed him and all, but I don't see that as making their relationship more mature.
🙂 As Buffy, Angel, and Spike have all said, Bangel isn't friendship. It's just a flame of passion, but sooner or later that fire is going to burn out. Romance like that doesn't last. You need a much deeper connection to make it work.
Also, not to hate on Angel or anything, but he's kind of a creep.
😀 I mean, I love the guy, but he hired someone to spy on his ex- girlfriend! Not healthy, that's for sure.
Also, the Bangel relationship wasn't very "relationship- y". Angel seemed to make all the decisions, without ever consulting Buffy to ask for her opinion, even though this opinions greatly influenced her. Buffy's age alone (15) when the attraction first started was bad in itself. I don't really understand how someone at Angel's age could "fall in love" with someone who turned 15 only four months ago, or vice- versa, but IMO it's a bit disturbing. Buffy was still a child; She said herself that she didn't "want to grow up."(I'm sorry, can't remember the episode name, but it was in S2 I believe)
Over the years, Buffy developed into an empathetic, caring, strong, helpful person, but she was still "cookie dough". She must have been a cookie RECIPE when she was with Angel.
So in conclusion, Spuffy is way better than Bangel.
