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"Never kill a boy on the first date" is one of my favorite episodes(and not just because I love Buffy's gold dress). I love the Buffy tries to be normal and fails, I love the awkwardness/ teen crush between her and Owen and later added awkwardness when Angel arrives. I can't claim to like the Anointed story line but I do like that the anointed one is a kid and not a big bad vamp.

For me the whole episode just a perfect teen meets monster of the week mix. Not too serious, a good I between ep that still pushes the story along.
 
Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Never Kill a Boy on the First Date​


- Giles' comment about her having poor technique makes me laugh every time. Not to mention when he was all "what do you want?" to Owen.
- The Master looks like he smelt something really bad now that I think of it.
- Owen looks like he repeated 12 times considering he looks 30.
- Buffy asking Giles if she looked fat brought tears of laughter to my eyes
- "So how was the laying?" Oh Xander, sometimes I like you.
- I love how Cordelia bumps Buffy out of the way.
- Giles miscalculation and then trying to justify it with the whole slayer job being mostly waiting is classic. Giles is really funny in this episode.
- The bus scene still makes me anxious after all this times.
-This is one of the only times that I find Xander's jealousy to be hilarious.
- Its only till now that i noticed that Xander was trying to use the mirror to see Buffy get dressed.
-This seems like an extremely boring date that Owen and Buffy are on.
- "Hello salty goodness!"
- I find it slightly unbelievable that Owen knows what fun is.
- Kind of gross that Giles lays on top of a dead body.
- I love Buffy's outburst when she thinks the shirt-optional vampire has killed her date.
- Buffy breaking up with Owen is nice wonderful. I like her reasons as well.
- Giles comforting Buffy is lovely
- Yay, the annoying one!
- Overall I really enjoyed this episode, mainly for how funny is and how great Giles is in it. It was a little slow from time to time, which would be my only complaint.
 
Teacher's Pet

-Ah, day-dreaming in Biology. Who hasn't done this?

-Overall, Xander's daydream is pretty unrealistic. I'm pretty sure that he didn't kill the vampire by throwing the stake and having it hit his breast plate on the right side. Heart's on the left there, Xan

- It's interesting to note that this truly is the beginning of the trend that everyone who's actually nice or helps Buffy ends up either dead or hurt. Jesse in "Welcome to the Hellmouth and The Harvest" was killed and sired. Dr. Gregory was murdered by the main villian of the episode.

- Again, while I hate seeing Xander act like a complete pervet and just overall hormone-filled teenager, I can relate to what he's feeling

- Ah, early Bangel scenes 😀

- It's funny to see Xander start to become jealous of Angel already. The love triangles are already starting (Xander- Buffy- Angel)

- Again, interesting to see that the villians so far in the series have all been kinda corny and B-movie quality, with the exception of the Master.

- "Full on Exorcist twist" I've used this line once or twice before 😛

- I've really got no other notes or thoughts on the episode. It's a very forgettable episode in the grand spectrum of things. Really, nothing more than a filler episode, but that's not to say that its not enjoyable.

Never Kill A Boy On The First Date

- So, we're back to Buffy trying to have a normal life. She should know by now that she'll never be able to have that 🙁

- It's cute to see her tripping over what to say though 😛

- The B/A shipper part of me gets kinda mad seeing Buffy with this simple throw-away character. I'm glad Angel showed up at the Bronze 😛

- And so we see the start of the Annointed One...god, Joss what the hell were you and the other writers thinking?

- The scene at the cemetary is probably the best part of the entire episode. It kinda gets your heart-racing when you see Willow, Xander, and Buffy's date running away from the vamp.

- Throwing the vampire into the cremotorum is probably one of the best ways to kill them in the entire series 😛

- Again, I feel like this is simply just another filler episode. I can understand why its there though, considering that they are still trying to get the show to walk on its own two feet
 
And so we see the start of the Annointed One...god, Joss what the hell were you and the other writers thinking?

LOL! Couldn't agree more. The Anointed is drawn out throughout the rest of the season, but really... what was the point? The only thing I really saw him do was lead Buffy to The Master in Prophecy Girl. I think what the writers should have done instead is throw out the anointed crap and just have the boy get turned into a vampire or something for that one episode.
 
...And now that it's Tuesday, it's time for the next episode: The Pack.

I'll be back with my thoughts on the episode and responses to what other people have said tomorrow. It's a little late -- need sleep and the ability to get up in the morning.
 
For the sake of the first thing being the first thing, I have things to say about the thing, if the thing is the episode... The Pack.

First, and most importantly for the episode, did they, at any point, refer to the chimps in the zoo as monkeys? If they did, then shame on them. I think the signs might've, but I'm not entirely sure.

Who came up with the line "Like the Heimlich with stripes"? Seriously, that is quite the line, and I'm not sure if I should find it hilarious in the good or bad way.

Does Lance remind anyone else of Jonathan? They probably should've just made him Jonathan -- I mean, Danny Strong has been around with them since the pilot.

Willow knows Xander's blood pressure. I just want to put that thought out there.

"He's turned into a 16-year old boy." -- this whole scene is some great dialogue, and sums up the thing about Xander's character that some people have brought up. I went through that when I was 13 or so, but it happens to everyone. I know some people in their 20s still going through that kind of thing.

I remember the Principal Flutie thing being really jarring before, but his acting makes it a little more comical than I remember. Plus the fact that the others aren't the best actors. Now, between Xander and Buffy, that still is really jarring, in a positive way.

When Xander's in the cage, Willow first shows her intuition with when people are manipulating her -- this comes back later on... (Parker) She knows how to figure out if people are manipulating her without getting hurt

Okay, I love the ending of this episode. Xander's pretending to not have a clue what happened, and Giles saying that he won't tell. Too bad they let it out just the next season -- I'd have expected that to last a little longer.

Overall, this episode is actually pretty good. I mean, it's nothing great, but it does mess around with the characters and give us some insight into them. I mean, the main plot is pretty dumb, but the character stuff is interesting.

-Overall, Xander's daydream is pretty unrealistic. I'm pretty sure that he didn't kill the vampire by throwing the stake and having it hit his breast plate on the right side. Heart's on the left there, Xan

- Again, while I hate seeing Xander act like a complete pervet and just overall hormone-filled teenager, I can relate to what he's feeling

- I've really got no other notes or thoughts on the episode. It's a very forgettable episode in the grand spectrum of things. Really, nothing more than a filler episode, but that's not to say that its not enjoyable.

Never Kill A Boy On The First Date

- So, we're back to Buffy trying to have a normal life. She should know by now that she'll never be able to have that 🙁

- The B/A shipper part of me gets kinda mad seeing Buffy with this simple throw-away character. I'm glad Angel showed up at the Bronze 😛

- And so we see the start of the Annointed One...god, Joss what the hell were you and the other writers thinking?

- Again, I feel like this is simply just another filler episode. I can understand why its there though, considering that they are still trying to get the show to walk on its own two feet

Yes, dreams always hold up to the strictest standards of logic.

Been there, done that.

It's a filler episode that doesn't even do anything interesting with the characters or present a well-executed story. That makes it not enjoyable for me.

Buffy hasn't screwed up trying to get a normal life enough times yet, so she still thinks it's possible.

Agh, shipping... must stay away... (won't work in season 3, I can tell you that, it just gets too much fun there)

They were thinking that they could have a sense of continuity between the seasons if they managed to get another season out of it. They got it, but in a different way.

Another filler episode that doesn't really do anything all that interesting, but at least they don't fumble the execution as badly as Teacher's Pet.

- Giles' comment about her having poor technique makes me laugh every time. Not to mention when he was all "what do you want?" to Owen.

-This seems like an extremely boring date that Owen and Buffy are on.

- "Hello salty goodness!"

- Yay, the annoying one!

That poor technique think makes me think of Gwendolyn Post -- seriously, I really have a problem.

Hence the reason she keeps looking at the beeper. ("Hence" and beeper -- are we really in the 21st century as I'm typing this?)

Isn't that line called back to in "Spin the Bottle"? Or was it a different S4 Angel episode?

We look forward to his demise in only about 10 episodes.

"Never kill a boy on the first date" is one of my favorite episodes(and not just because I love Buffy's gold dress). I love the Buffy tries to be normal and fails, I love the awkwardness/ teen crush between her and Owen and later added awkwardness when Angel arrives. I can't claim to like the Anointed story line but I do like that the anointed one is a kid and not a big bad vamp.

For me the whole episode just a perfect teen meets monster of the week mix. Not too serious, a good I between ep that still pushes the story along.

Never Kill a Boy on the First Date is probably one of my least favorite episodes of the show. I didn't like Owen at all. I felt he didn't have chemistry with Buffy very well. I was also never a fan of the Anointed storyline either, which gets its start in this episode. I like that it shows how Buffy is unable to do ordinary things like date an ordinary boy (because her slayer duties occupy most of her time, and it also risks the guy getting seriously hurt or killed), but I thought the episode as a whole could have been laid out better.

Well, I got both extremes with this episode, yet everyone hates the Anointed One. Interesting. However, I think that most of the hatred for that comes from the fact that he's basically only in the way once it reaches Season 2 -- I mean, the twist is really well executed in this episode, so it at least worked well for the time being in the immediate sense. I got a little redundant there.
 
Does Lance remind anyone else of Jonathan? They probably should've just made him Jonathan -- I mean, Danny Strong has been around with them since the pilot.

I would have loved for it to be Jonathan instead. I agree with you.

The Pack is an episode that I like but it kind of bugs me at the same time. The main thing that bugs me is Herbert getting eaten. He was so cute, and I just hate when animals die in movies or tv shows. 😛 I never understood the Primals either. Why exactly would they want to be possessed by hyenas? It just doesn't make sense to me. I think it was implied that they wanted their power, but they basically become a whole different person, so that seems kind of silly.
 
Thoughts on "The Pack":

While it's never going to get into my favorites list, I don't think this one is as bad as people make it out to be. Sure, the premise is pretty silly but there are some decent elements to it.

For starters, and this has been bugging me for a while now, has anyone else noticed how unbelievably crappy some of the guest actors have been? Seriously, Blaine in "Teacher's Pet", Owen in "Never kill a boy on the first date" and pretty much everyone in this episode. None of them can even laugh realistically. It's like the casting director just went out and went to the first person they saw and went "hey, want to be on T.V. ?!". Brutal.

Now, onto the episode. I liked the score, particularly the song right after the second commercial break. Little thing, which I know [MENTION=12230]Mischlings[/MENTION] will LOVE, but I liked Buffy still wearing Angel's jacket, even without Angel in the episode. Funny, everyone comments on the bad 90's hairstyles in S1, but Buffy still looks pretty good...

I thought Flutie was funny this episode, and while I liked him, knowing that he's now paved the way for Snyder has me excited. He's got some hilarious lines that I can only imagine what the writing process must have been like. "Did I tell you to speak? Well, yes, I suppose I did...".

And, Xander may have one of the stupidest yet funny lines of all time, when his hyena-mates come into The Bronze and start picking on some chubby kid. "What? The kid's fat". I couldn't stop laughing. I thought the Xander-Buffy scene while Flutie is getting eaten was pretty good. We've known Xander's feelings for Buffy for a while now but seeing him get so angry when his inhibitions are gone due to the spell was quite interesting.

Decent episode. Silly at times, but I like it.
 
I would have loved for it to be Jonathan instead. I agree with you.

I never understood the Primals either. Why exactly would they want to be possessed by hyenas? It just doesn't make sense to me. I think it was implied that they wanted their power, but they basically become a whole different person, so that seems kind of silly.

They probably had no idea at the time that they were going to do anything with Danny Strong as a recurring character -- I mean, he was basically an extra.

The Primals think that animal spirits are purer than humans, so they'd be made purer beings if they were possessed. Which makes sense in a really twisted way. That's what I think they were getting at, anyway.

For starters, and this has been bugging me for a while now, has anyone else noticed how unbelievably crappy some of the guest actors have been? Seriously, Blaine in "Teacher's Pet", Owen in "Never kill a boy on the first date" and pretty much everyone in this episode. None of them can even laugh realistically. It's like the casting director just went out and went to the first person they saw and went "hey, want to be on T.V. ?!". Brutal.

Now, onto the episode. I liked the score, particularly the song right after the second commercial break. Little thing, which I know [MENTION=12230]Mischlings[/MENTION] will LOVE, but I liked Buffy still wearing Angel's jacket, even without Angel in the episode. Funny, everyone comments on the bad 90's hairstyles in S1, but Buffy still looks pretty good...

Decent episode. Silly at times, but I like it.

Yeah, the guest actors have been pretty bad. I think that, for some of these people, this was actually their first TV or movie role. (Heard it in a podcast, never checked for myself).

It seems that you are nothing if not predictable. Like I can say anything -- round about the time a certain other Slayer shows up, I'm pretty sure that I'm going to be quite predictable.

And I think that last episode kind of sums up the episode. Though, I'm going to be so glad when Season 1 is over -- it's the worst season of the series.
 
And I think that last episode kind of sums up the episode. Though, I'm going to be so glad when Season 1 is over -- it's the worst season of the series.

I think the other seasons are "better", but to be honest, I enjoy watching S1 more than anything after the high school seasons. There's a lot I like about it.
 
I think the other seasons are "better", but to be honest, I enjoy watching S1 more than anything after the high school seasons. There's a lot I like about it.

I wanted to like Season 1 in this rewatch, but so far, urns not doing anything for me. There are good elements - storylines, lines of dialogue, ideas - but it's almost never executed that well. I want to like it, but it just doesn't work as well as any of the other seasons.
 
I wanted to like Season 1 in this rewatch, but so far, urns not doing anything for me. There are good elements - storylines, lines of dialogue, ideas - but it's almost never executed that well. I want to like it, but it just doesn't work as well as any of the other seasons.

You know what's something I like about it? It's simplified. I think, to a certain extent, at times in seasons 5-7 that they get more than a little wrapped up in themselves (the writers I mean), if that makes any sense. Even though he's not anywhere close to my favorite big bad, I like The Master's plan, and the way Buffy goes about stopping it. I mean, when you compare it to who incredibly convoluted and nuts the plan of The First is seven years later, S1 is a bit refreshing. I felt that way in large part about S6 as well, which I actually think is the most poorly executed season beyond the Spike arc (or well, up until "Seeing Red", when the writing is so bad I just roll my eyes). I liked "Grave" a lot, but SO many of the things they tried for that season were clunky. The Trio, everything Willow did, most of Xander's stuff, Dawn. I don't hate the season, and there are parts I really like, but beyond the message of life being the big bad, Buffy's main storyline and her arc with Spike, I thought S6 was pretty poorly done, on the whole.

But in S1, I liked most of the main arcs. I liked Xander's story with Buffy a lot. I liked Angel's role on the show, and thought the reveal of him as a vampire was really well done. I liked Giles' evolution from stuffy librarian to being someone who really cares for Buffy. I liked Jenny Calender joining the show. And I really liked Buffy trying to be a regular high school kid and not being able to, I thought that was expertly handled. They're all really simple storylines, but in contrast to some of the later stuff, I think they work better.
 
You know what's something I like about it? It's simplified. I think, to a certain extent, at times in seasons 5-7 that they get more than a little wrapped up in themselves (the writers I mean), if that makes any sense. Even though he's not anywhere close to my favorite big bad, I like The Master's plan, and the way Buffy goes about stopping it. I mean, when you compare it to who incredibly convoluted and nuts the plan of The First is seven years later, S1 is a bit refreshing. I felt that way in large part about S6 as well, which I actually think is the most poorly executed season beyond the Spike arc (or well, up until "Seeing Red", when the writing is so bad I just roll my eyes). I liked "Grave" a lot, but SO many of the things they tried for that season were clunky. The Trio, everything Willow did, most of Xander's stuff, Dawn. I don't hate the season, and there are parts I really like, but beyond the message of life being the big bad, Buffy's main storyline and her arc with Spike, I thought S6 was pretty poorly done, on the whole.

But in S1, I liked most of the main arcs. I liked Xander's story with Buffy a lot. I liked Angel's role on the show, and thought the reveal of him as a vampire was really well done. I liked Giles' evolution from stuffy librarian to being someone who really cares for Buffy. I liked Jenny Calender joining the show. And I really liked Buffy trying to be a regular high school kid and not being able to, I thought that was expertly handled. They're all really simple storylines, but in contrast to some of the later stuff, I think they work better.

Okay, I'll try to curtail the S6 and S7 part of the conversation (I have more to say about it, but their main problems are that they came after the end of the story, so to speak), but as for Season 1... Like I said, it's just not well executed across the board. If you just watched episodes 1, 2, 7, and 12, then you'd get the entire season and miss almost nothing (you'd miss the Anointed One's first appearance, but he doesn't do anything, and you'd miss Jenny's introduction). Also, I only like one of those four episodes. Taken as a whole, the season sells me on being interested in the show, but it took a lot more for me to be really hooked. What really got me hooked was the way that the show took simple storylines, simple ideas, and gave them complexity and nuance. Season 1 has almost none of that complexity or nuance. (And again, let's not get bogged down in talking about the end seasons and try to keep some semblence of on-topicness.)
 
Buffy the Vampire Slayer - The Pack​

- Season 1 is such a chore that I keep putting it off lol
- Xander's perspective on no classes is really spot on
- The group of bully's are so lame.
- Why is the principal at the zoo? Shouldn't he be looking after the school?
- I hate seeing Xander being so mean to Willow. He is such a butt monkey.
- Poor Herbert 🙁
- I kind of like the slow-motion scene. Mainly for the music.
- Farewell Principal Flutie. I'm always distracted in this scene because who has a picture of themselves on their desk? Talk about narcissism.
- The Buffy/Xander scenes are really creepy.
- It's slightly scary when the bullies are calling Willow's name.
- Nothing much else to say. It was watchable but not great.
 
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haha good point why WAS Flutie at the zoo... makes no sense. Lol at the pic on his desk :)
For starters, and this has been bugging me for a while now, has anyone else noticed how unbelievably crappy some of the guest actors have been? Seriously, Blaine in "Teacher's Pet", Owen in "Never kill a boy on the first date" and pretty much everyone in this episode. None of them can even laugh realistically. It's like the casting director just went out and went to the first person they saw and went "hey, want to be on T.V. ?!". Brutal.

I've noticed that too. I chalk it up to them not having a very big budget in season one.

I kind of like the slow-motion scene. Mainly for the music.
I love that scene in The Pack. I'm a sucker for slow motion scenes in TV and movies. lol 😛 I agree about the music as well. I love that song. The song is "Job's Eyes" by Far, in case anyone didn't know.
 
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Almost forgot to post this, but now we're on to Angel. Finally, this is starting to get good and I didn't dread watching this episode -- that's unexpected.
 
Thoughts on "Angel":

This was the episode I was most excited to get into for S1. It's my favorite of the season, by quite a wide margin, and in my top ten favorite episodes of the series.

Well, to point out the obvious, I thought it was the perfect episode to advance the Buffy-Angel relationship. I wasn't tired of Angel at all, but the timing was right to move him forward. Loved the scene with them running from The Three and ending up in Buffy's house (although the idea, several seasons later, of Buffy and Angel not being able to take three vampires is pretty funny). It felt like a teen adventure movie, in a way.

I really liked the insights into Angel's past, even though I was digging the mystery man angle. It's funny how in S1 Angel seems like he's about 18 or 19, but by the time his own series ends he feels like like he's about 30. It was a great end to Darla as well, even though I like her way, way more in the Angel series.

And for me, the best part of the episode was right at the end, the kiss where you find out the cross Angel gave Buffy is burning him. Awesome, awesome episode.
 
"Angel" is one of my favorite episodes as well. I remember how shocked I was when I first found out that Angel was a vampire. I thought that he had been working with The Master all along, until I found out otherwise. I love the scene before Darla knocks on Buffy's door when she's looking at Joyce through the window with her vamp face. For some reason though, it annoys me when she shows up to fight Buffy with guns. I guess it was a smart move, but I thought it was kind of cowardly. Another thing that annoys me is how Darla throws Joyce into Angel's arms and he puts on his vamp face and turns his head away as if he's tempted to drink from her. Angel hadn't fed off a person in a long time by that point, and we also never see him get tempted after that either. (Not until he's Angelus again).
 
The Pack

- I actually kinda like this one, but I hear that isn't the case with some people.
- Personally, I think I would be bored out of my mind on a field trip like that 😛
- I really feel sad for Willow when Xander starts being mean to her. 🙁
- Oh great, now we're going to get Snyder
- I had someone tell me that the Buffy/Xander scenes are almost borderline rape, and I kinda agree. Just makes those scenes even more creepy...

Angel

- This is probably my favorite episode of Season 1. In my opinion, it's also the first great episode of the season after "Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest".
- I like how they built up Buffy's attraction to Angel throughout the episodes before this. It makes the start of their relationship seem more believable.
- I was kinda spoiled on the fact that Angel was a vampire because I had my Mom tell me he was after I bought Season 1 on DVD 🙁
- This is really the only episode where I kinda hate Darla. Trying to sabotage my favorite 'ship 😡
- It's nice to see that there was a parallel to this later on in Season 2 where Buffy kisses him while he's in vamp face
- "Textbook seduction" Xander, you're just jealous 😛
- Again, hating Darla because of what's she's trying to do to Angel and Buffy
- The fight scene between Buffy and Angel is really well-done and has a certain emotion to it.
- Thanks for explaining everything Darla, you've made it ok for Buffy to like Angel again 😀
- I really love the ending scene of this where he lets her cross burn him. It's so symbolic
 
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