Discussion of 8.12 "Wolves at the Gate Part 1" - Released 03/05/07 (Dark Horse)

Clem Rocks said:
I think he might be having premonitions, he also says he's dreamt about Buffy sleeping with Satsu, with him, Renee, Andrew and Dawn there with Willow then arriving.
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Thats not what he said about his dream, his dream was of Buffy in Bed with Satsu and him and Renee were there as was Willow, in a sexy dream!

So when he walked in on Buffy and Satsu he thought oh this is like my dream, and he was saying "I'll just wait till willow gets here to confirm it was a dream!"
 
Lyri
Lyri
i like the 'Xander has visions' version better, lol. logical boy!
Clem Rocks said:
I was laying in bed last night, thinking of this issue, and i realised something. I think Xander knows more than he's letting on

Xander: For all I know, it's a swarm of bees.

Don't you think it's funny he chooses bees when later on, the vamps turn into bees? Or do you think it's just a coincidence?
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Why is everyone saying he could be having visions? Are we all just afraid to say it? Xander might be Twilight's inside man! 😉
 
Kean
Kean
I'm with you...signs have been pointing to Xander for ages!
We're in denial of that possibilty! I refuse to even consider it! Haha.

Personally, I just think Xander's been hanging around the Supers too much and has developed an ability of being permenantly uncanny. 😉
 
Allycat said:
Why is everyone saying he could be having visions? Are we all just afraid to say it? Xander might be Twilight's inside man! 😉
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No, 'casue, see, Xander's not supposed to be the bad guy!! My whole world would turn upside down! Xander's the eternal good guy!!

I'm going to sulk in the corner, now. 😉
 
J
Joyce Summers
:Cheers in agreement with Lyric and then joins her in the sulking in the corner:
Xander with Angel would have been better. They have morh history between them.
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I wouldn't mind that. I'm an Angel/Xander fan at well. But I think Xander/Spike works better because they have more in common, and I disagree with you on the "having more history between them", Xander doesn't know Angel as much as he knows Spike. Spike had lived with him two times, they played pool together, they fought side by side when Buffy died, they have more scenes together. The flow more than Xangel IMO.
 
white avenger
white avenger
I just meant that Xander hated Angel for almost the full 7 year run of the show, whereas he didn't seem to really hate Spike until Season 4 or 5 (he never trusted either one, but hate came later.
It would be quite possible for Xander to have had some sort of trigger implanted during his year long stay with Dracula that was referred to in Antiques. He obviously had some conditioning, since at the end of #12 he refers to Drac as "Master," with a definite expression of subservience. Also, the irony of that happening to him after Season 7's "Triggered Spike" thing. It's too bad Giles and Wood won't be around to see their reaction to that.
 
Oh, I feel like I missed the discussion again. My issue just arrived and I couldn't believe there's already six pages to this thread. Where do you other UK-based people buy your comics online? I've been using Fantastic Realm but this is how long it takes. Looks like you've covered the main points already - I'll just say that I really enjoyed this issue. It has a certain kind of silliness that we haven't seen in Season 8 yet. I guess that comes with a change of writer. Really looking forward to the rest of Wolves At The Gate. Also, a lot easier to follow than the new issue of Angel.
 
white avenger said:
It would be quite possible for Xander to have had some sort of trigger implanted during his year long stay with Dracula that was referred to in Antiques. He obviously had some conditioning, since at the end of #12 he refers to Drac as "Master," with a definite expression of subservience. Also, the irony of that happening to him after Season 7's "Triggered Spike" thing. It's too bad Giles and Wood won't be around to see their reaction to that.
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I haven't read "Antiques," so I don't know about any conditioning or trigger, but I didn't see subservience in Xander's face at the end of WatG. It looked more like annoyance to me, like, "Dammit, he's STILL got that thrall thing!" Granted, it's difficult to tell from one frame what's going on in a person's head than it is in live-action TV, so I could be wrong.

And it WOULD be hilarious to see what Giles (not so much Wood, cause his thing was all about Spike) would make of a triggered Xander.
 
Going back a few posts, I can just see the hilariousness that would ensue if Xander did have visions. So many puns about "the sight" and so on. LOL!

I still don't think Xander is the mole, because that would just be VERY WRONG! I've got an inkling that it's gonna be Satsu. Just because she's in love with Buffy, doesn't mean she wouldn't betray her. You know, cuz "sometimes love makes you do the wacky." There's been a long line of hurt and "betrayal" from couples in the 'verse, so I could see it happening.

I don't want it to be Renee, because she and Xander are just too cute. Plus, Xander needs some luvin' so I say leave Renee out of it, let her be the good girl, to Xander's good guy.
 
Typical, I leave for a short while and look what happens lol.

Ugh, right now this is coming off as a gimmicky and convoluted way to sell more comics by the good old "ZOMG YAY LESBIANS" method of titillation of the younger readers.

By the way anyone who laughed at that last sentence go to the corner and hang your head. Anyway I really do not think this would have happened at all in the show and can't really see it being all that believable or in character.

Also, Mr. Gordo was in Buffy's house when it was sucked into the Hellmouth and crushed with all the other houses, he should be buried and mashed under several tonnes of rubble. Its more likely this is a new Mr. Gordo II she picked up from somewhere.
 
Best issue yet, best shock yet.

I don't see why so many of you guys think that this is such a ground shaking event and is going to 'spoil' buffy.

I have no issue with a gay buffy, if anything i'm happy for satsu, i felt so bad for her in the previous issue where she was getting told that feeling street was one way, (buffy changed her mind, lol)

I also don't think that this was done for a cheap shock, if buffy is now bi then its the best way for us to find out, an old school friend of mine came 'out' to me after 4 years of no contact by finding me on Facebook, adding me as a friend and then when i saw the, 'in a realtionship with' bit and it was a guy, i was shocked, not surprised, but shocked, lol.

My point is, that finding out something this big is going to be a shock and in the case of Buffy was meant to be a shock, besides this doesn't change who buffy 'is'.

Buffy is buffy but now she likes girls, i assume that B still likes blokes, who knows.

All i say is YAY FOR SATSU!
YAY FOR SATSU!
YAY FOR SATSU!
YAY FOR SATSU!
 
T
tommy
like yeah
These vampires would have to be INCREDIBLY powerful in order to reverse the spell. To me it just looks like they learned Dracula's tricks from perhaps the same gypsy clan, but the Buffyverse has shown that gypsies aren't as powerful as witches and Willow is like the most powerful witch in the Buffyverse (until they show us otherwise), so it'd definitely be interesting to see how they're going to attempt to reverse the spell. Afterall at this point nobody can challenge Willow. Even Glory had a hard time standing up against Willow and she wasn't even at the peak of her powers yet like she is now, and Glory was a god.
 
Maybe they're just messing with her mind by stealing the Scythe. I'm sure it's no secret that she favors that weapon above all others. Maybe stealing it is a form of psychological warfare.
 
S
Spike Angelus
Good point.
Okay... I didn't read all of the posts. I know. Bad Palabra. Naughty, bad Palabra.

But I just read the comic and none of my real life people care and I just needed to come online and talk about it! I was utterly unspoiled, (plus, I missed issues 9 and 10) sop I have a lot to talk about.

First of all... I LOVED Xander in this episode. I pretty much laughed every time he opened his mouth... and some of the times when he didn't.

Second... I'm not sure where Willow's been, but she and Andrew were priceless with their Superman jokes. I am, however, really confused about how and when she started this flying thing.

Third... Batsu was freakin' hilarious. I loved how everyone kept walking in and saying funny lines. Plus, Buffy's performance anxiety was great.

Hilarity aside... I don't know, man. I'm not sold on Batsu. First of all, Satsu is in LOVE with Buffy. In love. True, cinnamon flavored princess charming kisses sort of love, right? So I'm not so sure I like this idea of Buffy knowing that, feeling like she's lacking a connection, jumping into bed with someone who loves her, and then wanting to keep it on the down low. We've been there. We've done that. It was called season 6. I thought we resolved Buffy's Heaaaaven issues. I don't want this to become who Buffy is. I want her to have learned from that experience... not to get into a destructive and repetitive cycle. Let's just hope she treats Satsu better than she treated Spike (and vice versa).

Fourth... Holy Zombie Jesus, did I love these Japanese Dracula-esque guys or did I love them? It's settled: I loved them! Not only were they neat-looking and funny and highly motivated with their sneaky plot to get the scythe, but they were also imminently rootable. Yes, folks, I was actually rooting for them. Seriously. Do you know how hard it is to steal that freakin' scythe? I have been trying to do that in the RPG for months now. I was like, "They got the scythe! Yay! Go kitty, go!" I mean... I know it's bad for the Scoobies. But man, the little villain in me did a dance of joy.

Those are my initial reactions, I laughed - out loud and a lot. I read lines aloud to my hubby and my roommate. I had a blast. Of course, they groaned and said they didn't care. And they told me that I often laugh out loud while reading. But whatever. I had a blast. This comic was hilarious.

I promise I will get around to reading your posts and making intelligent observations later. For now, though, these are my off-the-cuff initial reactions.
 
A
alexa
Yes I was laughing so much, and noone understood why! I showed them the funny bits and they thought I was crazy :p
Tranquillity
Tranquillity
i did a double take when i saw that you found our new villains 'rootable' - that means something else entirely to us Australians...
Kean
Kean
LOL...Do you know how hard it is to steal that frickin scythe!!
palabravampiress said:
Second... I'm not sure where Willow's been, but she and Andrew were priceless with their Superman jokes. I am, however, really confused about how and when she started this flying thing.
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1. I don't know where she and Kennedy are living, but Andrew was in Italy.
2. Season Six, actually (although she levitated once in Season Five.) They just didn't have the budget for all the fancy effects.
 
palabravampiress
palabravampiress
You're right! I totally forgot about that. Thanks for clearing that up.
white avenger
white avenger
I think that it was mentioned on "Angel" thar Willow was in Rio at that time with Kennedy.
Yup. When Willow first absorbs a lot of the power she has now because of her going off the deep end in the last three episodes she, according to Anya, can now go "airborne".

So the levitation in season 5 was suddenly boosted to all out flying capability. But of course the season 7 recovery meant no use of magic on that scale, not without going dark, hence not being able to do so until "cured" by the Scythe at the end of the season.
 
Also, since Season 8 takes place more than a year after Season 7, you can always imagine that she fully learned to control this ability during this time.
 
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