Well if you mean do Sam and Dean become besties again and act like all the wedges between them don't exist, then no. I own't even pretend that I am a huge SPN fan, I really enjoy the show and I adore Dean but I am certainly not invested in it like Buffy or Angel.
Hah, I am. Or used to be. I even used to like it
more--wait, no, forget I said anything!
Just a couple things you mentioned, first off Dean has absolutely shown himself to be willing to make life and death decisions if it meant saving his family. Remember back in Croatoan when he was willing to kill those people when he thought they were infected with the virus, he didn't actually know at the time, but when the others wanted to do that same when they thought Sam was posing a threat, he was having none of it.
Well, he didn't technically kill the kid, but he may have if Sam hadn't had the vision and told him not to. But not letting anyone kill Sam didn't endanger anyone but himself, since everyone took off right after that. But I still don't believe--or perhaps just don't want to believe--that Dean would turn into the person that he was in the future. Obviously Present Dean doesn't want to either, and it was more or less a warning for him. Still, I didn't appreciate it.
One of Buffy's flaws is selfishness, but would you like to see her go to the future and find she had turned her back on her duty and everything she fought for to be with Angel or to have a normal life or something? That's a little how I felt.
As far as their relationship goes I think it has to be this way. Dean and Sam, Dean especially, had one of the most destructive co-dependant relationships I have ever seen. That isn't right. Even if their relationship was not destrcutive in its nature people don't stay the same and Sam and Dean were never going to stay the same bantering brothers that we fell in love with. The beauty in their relationship is that they have destroyed each other, truly messed each other's lives up on a monumental level and they somehow still manage to work together, to fight for each other and be brothers. It's easy to stick together in the good times, but going through the trials they have and coming out on the other side is what makes their relationship special.
Whoa, interesting take. I agree that they depended too heavily on each other, and Dean's issues did make it dangerous, but they didn't destroy each other. They destroyed themselves--that is, Dean destroyed Dean and Sam destroyed Sam. I disagree with how negatively you've drawn their relationship, and as I said, it's one of the parts I loved about the show.
I think it was recently at a convention that a fan asked if Sam & Dean's relationship could ever go back to how it was in season 1, and the answer was obviously no. I don't dislike Sam but it is essentially his fault that the relationship fell apart like it did, he chose a demon over his own brother, his brother who had been there for him whenever he needed him so I don't think anyone can expect Dean to trust Sam as much or feel the same about him as he did in the beginning, and if that is what you want from the show then you're probably out of luck.
Well, Dean did sacrifice himself, which damaged himself and certainly hurt his brother. I can see Dean's side in it, too, but Sam essentially acted from a selfish, arrogant need to take control of the situation. He thought he was right, and he wasn't, and now everybody's dealing with the consequences of it.
You should definitely not stop watching after Fallen Idols, even if the main reason you enjoy the show is because of the brothers relationship, there are still some amazing episodes later on in the season that you should not miss.
I know! I do want to catch up. I just... haven't had the motivation. I'll try to watch a few episodes tonight!
Dean had a role to play in the start of the apococalypse, as did Cas, so you cannot just blame Sam. If Dean hadn't broken that first seal, and if Cas hadn't let Sam out of the panic room, then Sam wouldn't have had the oppertunity to break the last seal.
Very true--I never meant to imply Dean didn't have his place in it. I just meant to say how much I didn't like that conversation, in which a lot of the blame for their current predicament was placed on Dean's shoulders. Sam essentially said, "You made me feel weak and I wanted to feel strong." That's entirely possible, but that
doesn't mean it was Dean's fault that Sam went off without listening to anybody.
No need to be sorry! I like discussion.
